Everyone right now should be hoping and preparing for AI to be successful in replacing large amounts of knowledge labor. It will probably be the thing that genuienly kicks off the start of a true resurgence in the communist movement. 2008 revived socialism theoretically and planted the seeds of the movement to come. The post-war blip of high-paying white collar jobs in first world countries was in hindsight a historical blip and AI is setting things back to how they once were in a desperate attempt to save the rate of profit.
The conditions for it are really perfect. Displaced white collar workers are educated and socially progressive so they are unlikely to be swept up into right wing populism, unlike displaced manufacturing workers. They'll be forced into low wage and precarious work pushing down wages in those sectors.
Social Democracy isn't an option this time. Social democracy requires a large domestic manufacturing base to tax profits to fund a welfare state, in the age highly mobile, extremely liquid capital any attempt to fund a UBI will at first be met by intense fury by the capitalists likely killing it before it ever even is passed, and on the off chance it is passed you will see capital flight like never before. Additionally govenments are already up to their necks in debt so they cant fund it with deficit spending.
keynsian monetary policy by central banks would also have little effect, if employment is structurally lowered by AI then lowering interest rates doesnt bring back jobs it just makes credit cheaper to invest in more AI.
Fascism is also a much smaller threat then people realize, for aformentioned reasons displaced white collar workers are unlikely to be drawn into fascism, additionally the class base for fascism just doesnt exist anymore. Fascism was born out of the petit bourgeoisie ruined by the great depression, and the bourgeoisie allowed them to take power in order to crush the workers movements. While they succeeded in the that, it also led to massive destruction of capitalist wealth in ww2, so capitalists are going to be unlikely to want to give power to fascists again, additionally the modern petit bourgeoisie is weak and not a threatening force in politics like they were in the 1930s.
So if Social Democracy can't work as a compromise anymore and fascism is no longer possible then that makes the conditions for socialist revolution much more favorable in the coming decades.
whats stopping the capitalists from just letting the "excess" population die off slowly due to low birth rates, climate change, and the next major conflicts?
>>2725207that just speeds up radicalization if people are visibly dying on the streets
>>2725209low birth rates wont. And sending people to die in foreign wars doesnt = people visibly dying ont the streets
But I guess climate related deaths and instability would speed up radicalization
OP serial experiments lain is dope
My concern is if ai advances sufficient enough, then the bourg can automates the military police farming and manufacturing a lot before the socialist revolution occurs. Past succesful revolutions required the defection of bourg military units, police units and etc to the revolutionary cause. Past succesful revolutions also required workers, peasents and etc who could manage the factories, and fields so to support the logistical side of the revolution
If the bourg mostly automates a lot of these things, then the defections wont occur. The bourg would now theoretically have a fully loyal force. Meanwhile the non bourgs wouldnt have a lot of those people with a certain skill set that would be needed for the revolution. Since those people wouldnt really be needed to exist, when a machine has automated certain jobs (farming, manufacturing, etc etc)
Now we could have our own ai and machines supporting the revolutionary cause. But the bourg who owns all the capital would have the advantage in terms of producing and running the machines, ai and etc. While also having the capital to hire and treat well the downsized group of humans that would be needed to supervise these things.
>>2725200>LLMs would liberate usKek… even… my sides!
>>2725200How about techno feudalism (aka "abundance"), ie the "compromise" that the ruling class is actually pushing today?
Abundance (ie the liberals' new name for the 100 percent rentier economy) combined with UBI to mollify the masses while maintaining sufficient precarity to wind down the "excess population", in the background of a completely financialised economy. This will arise when people are no longer able to consume as capital demands
Also this
>>2725216AI can absolutely be good for radicalisation but by the time proletarianisation comes around it might be too late for this reason. The radicalisation should be from fomenting fear about potential futures before they are actualised
>>2725200How about you stop falling for AI Hype. LLMs have already plateaued and are not profitable.
Besides, all we gotta do is wait for the next Carrington Event-style Coronal Mass Ejection and all of the AI toys of the bourgeoisie will be useless slag.
>>2725228100 percent agree with this
>>2725200I watched that anime, unironically they are living in a better timeline than ours.
>>2725235If you actually watched it you'd know that the timeline they get left with is essentially our timeline.
>>2725240Exept reality gets rewriten as better, unfortunately we have no such thing irl
>>2725240it ends with Lain turning into Jesus or something
>>2725240Nah he's right, our timeline is like if Eiri masami won instead of lain
>>2725250No. Eiri's significance is that he turned the non-mystical internet into "the Wired", an Internet akin to what the Cyberpunk guys in the 90s were dreaming of. Lain is a story about how the anti-establishment cyberpunk movement, if their dream Internet was real, would just have them crown themselves as a God authority worse than ever known before in the way all reactionaries say that anyone against the status quo is just a wannabe dictator.
>>2725248It ends with time getting turned back so that Eiri will not be able to mess with the Wired in the way he did previously.
>>2725262I dunno just look around does this resemble eiri reality or lain's
Cuz to me it's more similar to the protocol 7 idea
>>2725271The Cyberpunk ideal was not about Internet tech getting mixed with everyday capitalist life. The anime shows a guy misunderstanding the goal of the Knights in being that, and he tries to show that he can attain the Cyberpunk goal by strapping computers to himself as he walks around, and he ends up getting killed by the Knights because he was totally wrong. The actual Cyberpunk ideal was in seeing in the Internet a wholly new frontier space where a whole new social organization could be established without having to deal with the birthmarks of the current society. Read Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace for a brief view of Cyberpunk ideology.
AI will make Agartha: The Last BBC a reality
>>2725279that's pretty cool
AI will bring back Murdoch Murdoch BNWO edits in the classrooms
AI will put BBC in the water fountain and BWC in the girls locker room
>>2725262>EiriWhere does eiris god complex and egomania fit in here. In your view, what is the significance of this part.
>>2725232No you don't understand, it's totally different now and not just another iteration of pumping an ungodly amount of resources in a decade old tech to make it seem new.
Trust me bro this time it is for real!
>>2725200i admire your optimism op but we all know what's really gonna happen (infinijeet slave labour importation + technocratic authoritarianism)
Damn, i do not miss threads about ai
Shut up about AI.
SHUT UP ABOUT AI.
>>2725697Anon really out here using marketing materials as evidence
But I think we should engage in this kind of worst-case doomerism regardless. It's more effective to mobilise people rather than just dismissing it as all hype.
Problem is right now people are inclined to shoot the messenger as an "AI booster" if they entertain the thought of a worst-case future
>>2725753this isn't marketing materials this is from METR a nonprofit AI research center. Not to say that research can't be influenced by companies but this isnt just straight up advertisement either.
>>2725815>METR a nonprofitYou seem to think that's something magically neutral that is floating above society. The zio lobby has non-profits. Various business interests (arms, energy etc.) have theirs.
Wikipedia:
<METR's CEO and founder is Beth Barnes, a former alignment researcher at OpenAI >>2725296Typical reactionary claim that all opposition to the status quo is the hunger for power.
>>2725200retard take,capital flight isnt easy with AI either because you cant pack data centers on a bezos yacht
LLMs and generative AI are not magic futuristic technology that will usher in a golden age, all they do is just turn massive amounts of stolen data into rearranged slop. The end-goal is to make it profitable, though they have yet to manage it. They want to replace all workers, cover the entire land in data centers, and turn anyone with a net worth under seven figures into biofuel.
You're not going to reach socialism from that.
>>2725815>he thinks nonprofits are unbiasedLOL
>>2726102the value of AI isnt created at the data center level, unlike a factory that produces goods is. Its created from the subscriptions and the cheap business services that AI enables. Taxing rent on data centers is capturing next to none of the value, and data center also employ very few people, no more than like 20 usually.
AI will bring back socialism: Or How I Learned Not To Worry About BBC
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