At no point when the bourgeois and their institutions are strong have the proletariat ever been able to even threaten them let alone overthrow the government in a revolution. This only happens in colonial and feudal backwaters, what this means is Marx and every other revolutionary socialist is wrong about the proletariat being the revolutionary subject, or there even being a revolutionary subject at all.
Oh and capitalism isn’t progressive, the environmental wreckage it has wrought with over exploitation makes it and industrial society as a whole an evolutionary dead end. If the species is to survive it needs feudalism and slavery.
Wholly incorrect.
>If the species is to survive it needs feudalism and slavery.
kill yourself reactoid socialite
>>2728795Proles cannot feed themselves if they get fired and there’s always scabs, only peasants have the means to reproduce themselves while revolting
>>2728801Socialism isn’t being born from capitalism
>>2728765Capitalism is a relatively new economic system Marx had the privilige to see rising first hand. This means proletarian class struggle is relatively young too as this class didnt exist before industrial revolution.
>>2728807It existed under roman slavery in its urban centers and it was a parasitic class at the time. Based on falling birthrates in industrialized countries, you could say it’s parasitic now even if it generates value because it fundamentally cannot reproduce itself, it has to keep expanding through the breakup of peasants and “liberating” women from the home. What happens when there’s no more peasants? The proles will just die, they won’t revolt, even if we got communism climate change means it won’t last in an industrialized form for more than five years.
in the recorded history of class struggle, it is conflict between elites which moves history, not the masses.
>>2728865Yeah, decolonization happened at the behest of elites in colonized nations, not their peasants and workers who were merely canon fodder
>>2728805Of course it is because history is continuous and has no gaps. What a retarded statement. You are not just an idealist, you are also an empiricist. Going around saying yes-yes, and saying no-no.
>>2728868You ever heard of Haiti before?
>>2728870Proletarian associations and organizations have only gotten weaker with the development of capitalism, not stronger, all the technological developments keep proles surveilled and with enough dopamine hits to ensure they’ll always go back to work
>>2728871I’ve actually been to Haiti, awful, ugly country but a beautiful people
>>2728868not sure if youre being sarcastic, but europe literally volunteered to deconstruct their empires after ww2. it wasnt a mass uprising, it was an executive decision.
>>2728890Portuguese soldiers had to get their teeth repeatedly kicked in by 14 year olds under Amilcar Cabral before doing the coup
>>2728895resistance isnt revolution
>>2728898If you don’t have the capacity to resist, you certainly don’t have the capacity to revolt, proles don’t even have the first even when they have access to firearms like in the US or Switzerland
>>2728903you clearly lack understanding
if europe wanted to retain their colonies, they would have. mass resistance means nothing in reality.
>>2728914They still do, google ECOWAS and CFA franc
>>2729142Nobody likes when choices are made for them in anything.
>>2729142Not to mention the worst thing a prole can do is have a kid, they’re purely an albatross on your neck and you created more competition and thus lowered your own wages. It’s in the class interest of proles for there to be as few of them as possible.
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