/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

What if I started this PR firm purely on donations from Western donors to avoid the foreign money questions? Do you think enough Westerners support these bations to nake it a go? I don't need much money at all. I have been working for years for free like the rest of you.

>>2731716
I think every country sucks at psyops but then I've always been able to tell when I'm being lied to. I can't be bothered to evaluate their rates of success cos leads one down unnecessary rabbit holes where one risks becoming a participant.

>>2731731
The USA also sucks at psyops because they can't into the perspective of the countries they are trying to psy-op and seem to limit themselves to the libtards of whatever respective nation(at least on the surface, they may have deeper black psy-ops we don't know about) but it is still leagues ahead of putting on fucking Maupin, Haz, and Unruhe I think.

I didn't mention the Russians and Hinkle because at least he has some kind of semblance of popularity.

>>2731716
be the real movement you want to see. the proletariat has no idea who these lolcows are

>>2731750
That's what I'm motherfucking saying. These are absolute nobody lolcows yet these official American-directed propaganda outlets are putting them on. I'm a nobody too but I would do a much better job than any of these lolcows. Obviously they have zero vetting process.

The motherfucking Chinese probably suck worst of all because of how much resources and goodwill they have that is in no part due to their own efforts in the psy-op game. I see a lot of the propaganda they put out on all their official twitters and IT SUCKS SO MUCH. The best piece of propaganda I've ever seen from them was created by a group with no association to them.

>>2731747
The US is the worst at it. Maybe cos they overdid it with nine eleven. Idk who those other people are and this is unlikely to change. A psyop only works once you engage it on their terms, and limited hangout/ release is the means of infection.

>>2731760
Bullshit. America is untouched in soft-power. America could kill most of your family and the rest of the world would still base their whole identity over American IP and trademarks.

>>2731762
>soft-power
The USA doesn't have that anymore, nor do they have the alliances that once made it possible.

>>2731764
That's just not true! You are so deep in Amerikkkan kulture it is invisible to you.

The mothafukkin chagos uygha was just bragging to us about he is drinking Jameson and Coca Cola

Meanwhile in burgerland when the Ukraine war popped off, they banned Russian alcohol like first week.

>>2731731
>I think every country sucks at psyops
Vladimir Pozner is interesting because he was like yeah we did all that Radio Moscow stuff during the Cold War and it had basically zero effect on the average American.

>>2731769
What I'm saying is that since the orange shitstain became an active threat to former allies after bullying them away and breaking treaties. And the soft power implemented via means like USAID no longer exists so a new world is emerging from the ruins of what was. People in other countries following consumer fads doesn't make for allies but imitators. And chagos is more immersed in American consumer culture than me.

>>2731779
So what do you think my Gay Nazi? I would put you on the team if this was for real. You are an expert psy-operative. Man, Peshkov has an impeccable American accent, but I think for real nobody cares about that. I guess I should just start laying out all my psy-op propositions just open-source for whatever reader to pick them up, hopefully someone connected to the mentioned nations does.

I swear to mofuckin god I would do so much better than what has been done. I could get the average American to support any of them because nobody likes this motherfuckin country. RT's strategy of courting far-right schizos and far-left shizos at the same time is so retarded. I would have a sizeable portion of this population in-line.

>>2731807
China is the future. Everyone fucking knows that. I remember my middle school teacher in the 00s telling me that America is over and this is the Chinese century. She was already up on that shit.

Russia. Is a joke country. I feel reluctant to wade into support for that but I can still make the case for how this Ukraine war was disastrous and all that realpolitik so easily than the stupid Russkies.

This Iran thing, I could've built sympathy for how we're just bullying all these random countries, maybe for Israel, who knows, but like it's crazy and random and nobody cares about this bullshit. Like I said the Iranian/Persian disasparoids have been a major complication in this. Maybe if they weren't there it wouldn't have gone like this.

C'est la vie.

>>2731779
>Vladimir Pozner is
>>2731807
Sorry, I said Peshkov, I just read this shit and gloss over, I don't have any clue who any of these people are.

>Vladimir Pozner is a French-born Russian-American journalist and presenter, born on April 1, 1934. He is known for representing Soviet views during the Cold War and later hosted a television show in Russia until 2022. Wikipedia
So he is a Frenchie-American, but mostly a Jew? I don't get why he is supposed to be an expert on the USSR. I thought better of you.

Every White Westerner is so deep in Jewish psy-ops to be absolutely useless to anyone but Israel.

>>2731820
Pretty much.

>>2731823
These mothafuckin people. I've been able to extract an ounce of self-awareness from them at times, I think they Gay Nazi. They will straight up tell you how they've been proagandized since birth with the Jewish nonsense but tell you like "you gotta understand! I can't just abandon the Jewish nonsense I've been indoctrinated with since birth! We just can't do that!" I mean… Jesus Christ.

I mean, I get it, they've been programmed, this is their origin story, this is their raison d'être. They exist to protect the Jews from all the inevitable unrelated people in the world who don't appreciate them, but…. I mean. I don't know what to say. You don't have to be a Jew to protect the Jewish people. I get it. But like… Maybe stop killing people for the Jews?

>>2731807
If I were a glowie then I think I'd be a better analyst than an influencer. But I think a lot of these guys are adopting personas which they think is supposed to influence a kind of person they've imagined in their heads. I've met people like this, they're really fake people who are like "eh? eh?" and they try to nudge you because they believe you fit some kind of profile.

>>2731819
Yeah, French-American-Soviet Jew presenter. He lived in the U.S. for a brief period before his filmmaker dad was about to get deported during McCarthyism iirc so they landed in the Soviet Union (i.e. they were communists), and Pozner went to work for Soviet television in the 1980s because he could speak English in an American accent and also talk like an American in a sort of cultural sense and not be so heavy with the propaganda, be more normal in the eyes of Americans. He was also the co-host of a joint U.S.-Soviet production where Soviet and American audiences could speak directly to each other. Phil Donahue was the host on the American side.

>>2731829
I'm just playing with you. You're a smart and knowledgeable guy. I just wish you would use it for good and not evil.

>If I were a glowie then I think I'd be a better analyst than an influencer.
I could totally tell people what to think. I get people I'm a people person. People are stupid.

>>2731832
>good and not evil
Eh, good and evil, the world isn't really like a Marvel movie that can be reduced to that. Maybe we shouldn't be trying to psyop people? Maybe educate them instead?

>>2731836
The message has already been put forward in a straightforward manner and it had no effect. The only thing left is to psy-op them to the goal.

>Wake up, world
>Wake up, world
>Give peace a chance
>Are you afraid?
>Time is running out
>Give peace a chance
>Are you afraid?
>Time is running out


If they think that killing people and invading people is wrong because Santa Claus will leave them coal, ain't that better than nothing?

>>2731716
Yet the CPUSA won’t show up
Yet the DSA won’t show up
No mainstream western leftist will show up and work with actually existing socialist countries. They won’t even work woth Rojavan media.

>>2731838
The purpose of a psyop isn't merely propaganda but it is a diversionary tactic of 'poisoning the well'. It serves to deprive clarity and obscure the truth.

>>2731845
Le party programm is clear

>>2731845
A psy-op, short for psychological operation is anything meant to affect the psychology of the enemy or your own populace as well which obviously includes all propaganda. It can mean what you said or any other operation meant to affect the psychology of the target population in anyway. Leftypol is almost 100% psy-ops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States)
>Psychological operations (PSYOPs) are military operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their motives and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and large foreign powers.

>>2731846
Perhaps I would've said obscure reality. The two are synonymous.

>>2731848
>would've
*should've

>>2731847
Yes.

>Jesus Christ what is wrong with them? They employ all of our greatest fucking lolcows. How do I make a fucking PR agency for the enemies of America? I could do a so much better job.

Wow, it's almost like the average Western 'leftist' is a bloodthirsty racist sinophobe so China is only left to the cranks.

>>2731853
>Wow, it's almost like the average Western 'leftist' is a bloodthirsty racist sinophobe so China is only left to the cranks.
Bullshit. For one, like I said, all the goodwill generated for China is almost entirely created independently of China's own initiatives. Two, I could get all of America to worship China easy. It's over, it's Chinese Century. We all appreciate the videos of the futuristic Chinese sky-rises and subways and etc. but I could craft the narrative about the Chinese future and how America should submit to it so easy. Like this shit would be so easy. Instead they are putting on FUCKING HAZ OF INFRARED!

I'ma go deeper than the average Americanoid would go and I'd go for leftypol and I'd ask, what is the fucking Chinese plan in plain intelligent English instead of whatever the fucking stupid Xi books say and what is there plans for the future. Like I can sell this motherfucking shit if they would clearly say what their mofuckin plans are instead of this Socialism 2050 nonsensense. I could get the peoples of America to bow down. Nobody wants this orange TV game show host garbage.

>>2731854
I mean I tied to read the Xi books and other translations of Chinese official from before that and I feel like my brain getting blunted. They say absolutely nothing. I feel like maybe there must be something lost in translation but I hate it. I hate every single translation of chinese communist government shit I ever read. I feel the brain damage. It feels like haikus. Does this shit really have some deeper meaning to Chinese in their native language?

>>2731859
nta but
I want you to think deeply of what you said and the implications of it
then you will see the truth

>>2731861
More haiku. Why can't you say it in plain English? I respect what they do, not what they say.

Chinese party isnt communist though

>>2731863
I don't care, neither is Russia or Iran but I'll support them anyways. Stop being retarded is all I ask.

>>2731716
Those are the open propaganda channels. Russians, Koreans, Chinese have the same reaction when they see Radio Free Europe/Asia and other such media. They employ people who are worse than Haz, at least he was a funny streamer and Hinkle is a big twitter guy. The people employed by official American outlets are old farts with absolutely no youth appeal.
Of course, there is the fact that we speak English and know American culture. That speaks for itself. But glowies in charge of psyops aren't responsible for that, America's central position in the global economy is.
>How do I make a fucking PR agency for the enemies of America? I could do a so much better job.
They are, in fact, doing a good job. I don't know if you're gen alpha but the left itself used to dismiss China out of hand. Now they are doing so good many people who don't think about politics much just accept they have a superior political system.

>>2731859
>>2731862
It's stereotyped party writing.

Everyone sucks at psyops. Or do you actually think the shit that America puts out actually works on anyone besides a handful of retarded third world zoomers?

The official organs of the organized amerikkkan left have, by and large, demonstrated themselves to be structurally inadequate for insurrectionist means. They are often captured by liberal reformism or ossified into irrelevance. But the actual engine of contemporary foreign influence operates elsewhere.

What we are witnessing is the refinement of a much older tactic; cellular organization lying dormant, awaiting moments of social rupture to activate. This is not mass mobilization in the classical sense at all. It is the insertion of prepared actors into pre-existing fractures, racial, economic, social spheres where the conditions for contradiction are already ripening.

The irony, of course, is historically hilarious to me. The anti-fascist anarchist led formations and Black liberation currents activated in 2020 largely did not recognize the vector of their own mobilization beyond their own efforts and work. They mistook these events for spontaneity; all their rhetoric of horizontal organizing and autonomy, proved entirely unable to read the vertical forces acting upon them. They experienced the rupture as spontaneous because spontaneity is the only category their theory currently permits. They did not recognize activation when they saw it. Meanwhile, the right-wing apparatuses, in their characteristic of confusion, projected the agency of the george floyd era uprisings onto a single bourgeois bogeyman, Soros simply because they cannot conceive of power operating outside the logic of the individual billionaire or the visible party structure.

The Chinese party understands something the sectarian left has forgotten. Namely, that you do not need to command a movement. You only need to be present within it when the objective conditions tip, ready to channel the rupture toward geopolitical ends. The CCP's actual "bread and butter" its most sophisticated and effective tactic…is what we call cellular latency; the cultivation of prepared actors who integrate themselves into organic social movements, not to lead them, but to wait. They wait for moments of social rupture, for the fissures that inevitably emerge under late amerikkkan capitalism, racial antagonism, economic precarity, ecological crisis, and when those fissures widen into chasms, they activate. The idea is that in these moments this spreads the tactics of the "activated cells" across the wider terrain struggle, in an instant, like a domino effect. In the right moments, the chips fall into place with the others. This isn't far-fetched speculation, im describing how modern intelligence agencies boost movements hostile to the social order of an enemy nation-state.