/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

What if I started this PR firm purely on donations from Western donors to avoid the foreign money questions? Do you think enough Westerners support these bations to nake it a go? I don't need much money at all. I have been working for years for free like the rest of you.

>>2731716
I think every country sucks at psyops but then I've always been able to tell when I'm being lied to. I can't be bothered to evaluate their rates of success cos leads one down unnecessary rabbit holes where one risks becoming a participant.

>>2731731
The USA also sucks at psyops because they can't into the perspective of the countries they are trying to psy-op and seem to limit themselves to the libtards of whatever respective nation(at least on the surface, they may have deeper black psy-ops we don't know about) but it is still leagues ahead of putting on fucking Maupin, Haz, and Unruhe I think.

I didn't mention the Russians and Hinkle because at least he has some kind of semblance of popularity.

>>2731716
be the real movement you want to see. the proletariat has no idea who these lolcows are

>>2731750
That's what I'm motherfucking saying. These are absolute nobody lolcows yet these official American-directed propaganda outlets are putting them on. I'm a nobody too but I would do a much better job than any of these lolcows. Obviously they have zero vetting process.

The motherfucking Chinese probably suck worst of all because of how much resources and goodwill they have that is in no part due to their own efforts in the psy-op game. I see a lot of the propaganda they put out on all their official twitters and IT SUCKS SO MUCH. The best piece of propaganda I've ever seen from them was created by a group with no association to them.

>>2731747
The US is the worst at it. Maybe cos they overdid it with nine eleven. Idk who those other people are and this is unlikely to change. A psyop only works once you engage it on their terms, and limited hangout/ release is the means of infection.

>>2731760
Bullshit. America is untouched in soft-power. America could kill most of your family and the rest of the world would still base their whole identity over American IP and trademarks.

>>2731762
>soft-power
The USA doesn't have that anymore, nor do they have the alliances that once made it possible.

>>2731764
That's just not true! You are so deep in Amerikkkan kulture it is invisible to you.

The mothafukkin chagos uygha was just bragging to us about he is drinking Jameson and Coca Cola

Meanwhile in burgerland when the Ukraine war popped off, they banned Russian alcohol like first week.

>>2731731
>I think every country sucks at psyops
Vladimir Pozner is interesting because he was like yeah we did all that Radio Moscow stuff during the Cold War and it had basically zero effect on the average American.

>>2731769
What I'm saying is that since the orange shitstain became an active threat to former allies after bullying them away and breaking treaties. And the soft power implemented via means like USAID no longer exists so a new world is emerging from the ruins of what was. People in other countries following consumer fads doesn't make for allies but imitators. And chagos is more immersed in American consumer culture than me.

>>2731779
So what do you think my Gay Nazi? I would put you on the team if this was for real. You are an expert psy-operative. Man, Peshkov has an impeccable American accent, but I think for real nobody cares about that. I guess I should just start laying out all my psy-op propositions just open-source for whatever reader to pick them up, hopefully someone connected to the mentioned nations does.

I swear to mofuckin god I would do so much better than what has been done. I could get the average American to support any of them because nobody likes this motherfuckin country. RT's strategy of courting far-right schizos and far-left shizos at the same time is so retarded. I would have a sizeable portion of this population in-line.

>>2731807
China is the future. Everyone fucking knows that. I remember my middle school teacher in the 00s telling me that America is over and this is the Chinese century. She was already up on that shit.

Russia. Is a joke country. I feel reluctant to wade into support for that but I can still make the case for how this Ukraine war was disastrous and all that realpolitik so easily than the stupid Russkies.

This Iran thing, I could've built sympathy for how we're just bullying all these random countries, maybe for Israel, who knows, but like it's crazy and random and nobody cares about this bullshit. Like I said the Iranian/Persian disasparoids have been a major complication in this. Maybe if they weren't there it wouldn't have gone like this.

C'est la vie.

>>2731779
>Vladimir Pozner is
>>2731807
Sorry, I said Peshkov, I just read this shit and gloss over, I don't have any clue who any of these people are.

>Vladimir Pozner is a French-born Russian-American journalist and presenter, born on April 1, 1934. He is known for representing Soviet views during the Cold War and later hosted a television show in Russia until 2022. Wikipedia
So he is a Frenchie-American, but mostly a Jew? I don't get why he is supposed to be an expert on the USSR. I thought better of you.

Every White Westerner is so deep in Jewish psy-ops to be absolutely useless to anyone but Israel.

>>2731820
Pretty much.

>>2731823
These mothafuckin people. I've been able to extract an ounce of self-awareness from them at times, I think they Gay Nazi. They will straight up tell you how they've been proagandized since birth with the Jewish nonsense but tell you like "you gotta understand! I can't just abandon the Jewish nonsense I've been indoctrinated with since birth! We just can't do that!" I mean… Jesus Christ.

I mean, I get it, they've been programmed, this is their origin story, this is their raison d'être. They exist to protect the Jews from all the inevitable unrelated people in the world who don't appreciate them, but…. I mean. I don't know what to say. You don't have to be a Jew to protect the Jewish people. I get it. But like… Maybe stop killing people for the Jews?

>>2731807
If I were a glowie then I think I'd be a better analyst than an influencer. But I think a lot of these guys are adopting personas which they think is supposed to influence a kind of person they've imagined in their heads. I've met people like this, they're really fake people who are like "eh? eh?" and they try to nudge you because they believe you fit some kind of profile.

>>2731819
Yeah, French-American-Soviet Jew presenter. He lived in the U.S. for a brief period before his filmmaker dad was about to get deported during McCarthyism iirc so they landed in the Soviet Union (i.e. they were communists), and Pozner went to work for Soviet television in the 1980s because he could speak English in an American accent and also talk like an American in a sort of cultural sense and not be so heavy with the propaganda, be more normal in the eyes of Americans. He was also the co-host of a joint U.S.-Soviet production where Soviet and American audiences could speak directly to each other. Phil Donahue was the host on the American side.

>>2731829
I'm just playing with you. You're a smart and knowledgeable guy. I just wish you would use it for good and not evil.

>If I were a glowie then I think I'd be a better analyst than an influencer.
I could totally tell people what to think. I get people I'm a people person. People are stupid.

>>2731832
>good and not evil
Eh, good and evil, the world isn't really like a Marvel movie that can be reduced to that. Maybe we shouldn't be trying to psyop people? Maybe educate them instead?

>>2731836
The message has already been put forward in a straightforward manner and it had no effect. The only thing left is to psy-op them to the goal.

>Wake up, world
>Wake up, world
>Give peace a chance
>Are you afraid?
>Time is running out
>Give peace a chance
>Are you afraid?
>Time is running out


If they think that killing people and invading people is wrong because Santa Claus will leave them coal, ain't that better than nothing?

>>2731716
Yet the CPUSA won’t show up
Yet the DSA won’t show up
No mainstream western leftist will show up and work with actually existing socialist countries. They won’t even work woth Rojavan media.

>>2731838
The purpose of a psyop isn't merely propaganda but it is a diversionary tactic of 'poisoning the well'. It serves to deprive clarity and obscure the truth.

>>2731845
Le party programm is clear

>>2731845
A psy-op, short for psychological operation is anything meant to affect the psychology of the enemy or your own populace as well which obviously includes all propaganda. It can mean what you said or any other operation meant to affect the psychology of the target population in anyway. Leftypol is almost 100% psy-ops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States)
>Psychological operations (PSYOPs) are military operations to convey selected information and indicators to audiences to influence their motives and objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of governments, organizations, groups, and large foreign powers.

>>2731846
Perhaps I would've said obscure reality. The two are synonymous.

>>2731848
>would've
*should've

>>2731847
Yes.

>Jesus Christ what is wrong with them? They employ all of our greatest fucking lolcows. How do I make a fucking PR agency for the enemies of America? I could do a so much better job.

Wow, it's almost like the average Western 'leftist' is a bloodthirsty racist sinophobe so China is only left to the cranks.

>>2731853
>Wow, it's almost like the average Western 'leftist' is a bloodthirsty racist sinophobe so China is only left to the cranks.
Bullshit. For one, like I said, all the goodwill generated for China is almost entirely created independently of China's own initiatives. Two, I could get all of America to worship China easy. It's over, it's Chinese Century. We all appreciate the videos of the futuristic Chinese sky-rises and subways and etc. but I could craft the narrative about the Chinese future and how America should submit to it so easy. Like this shit would be so easy. Instead they are putting on FUCKING HAZ OF INFRARED!

I'ma go deeper than the average Americanoid would go and I'd go for leftypol and I'd ask, what is the fucking Chinese plan in plain intelligent English instead of whatever the fucking stupid Xi books say and what is there plans for the future. Like I can sell this motherfucking shit if they would clearly say what their mofuckin plans are instead of this Socialism 2050 nonsensense. I could get the peoples of America to bow down. Nobody wants this orange TV game show host garbage.

>>2731854
I mean I tied to read the Xi books and other translations of Chinese official from before that and I feel like my brain getting blunted. They say absolutely nothing. I feel like maybe there must be something lost in translation but I hate it. I hate every single translation of chinese communist government shit I ever read. I feel the brain damage. It feels like haikus. Does this shit really have some deeper meaning to Chinese in their native language?

>>2731859
nta but
I want you to think deeply of what you said and the implications of it
then you will see the truth

>>2731861
More haiku. Why can't you say it in plain English? I respect what they do, not what they say.

Chinese party isnt communist though

>>2731863
I don't care, neither is Russia or Iran but I'll support them anyways. Stop being retarded is all I ask.

>>2731716
Those are the open propaganda channels. Russians, Koreans, Chinese have the same reaction when they see Radio Free Europe/Asia and other such media. They employ people who are worse than Haz, at least he was a funny streamer and Hinkle is a big twitter guy. The people employed by official American outlets are old farts with absolutely no youth appeal.
Of course, there is the fact that we speak English and know American culture. That speaks for itself. But glowies in charge of psyops aren't responsible for that, America's central position in the global economy is.
>How do I make a fucking PR agency for the enemies of America? I could do a so much better job.
They are, in fact, doing a good job. I don't know if you're gen alpha but the left itself used to dismiss China out of hand. Now they are doing so good many people who don't think about politics much just accept they have a superior political system.

>>2731859
>>2731862
It's stereotyped party writing.

Everyone sucks at psyops. Or do you actually think the shit that America puts out actually works on anyone besides a handful of retarded third world zoomers?

The official organs of the organized amerikkkan left have, by and large, demonstrated themselves to be structurally inadequate for insurrectionist means. They are often captured by liberal reformism or ossified into irrelevance. But the actual engine of contemporary foreign influence operates elsewhere.

What we are witnessing is the refinement of a much older tactic; cellular organization lying dormant, awaiting moments of social rupture to activate. This is not mass mobilization in the classical sense at all. It is the insertion of prepared actors into pre-existing fractures, racial, economic, social spheres where the conditions for contradiction are already ripening.

The irony, of course, is historically hilarious to me. The anti-fascist anarchist led formations and Black liberation currents activated in 2020 largely did not recognize the vector of their own mobilization beyond their own efforts and work. They mistook these events for spontaneity; all their rhetoric of horizontal organizing and autonomy, proved entirely unable to read the vertical forces acting upon them. They experienced the rupture as spontaneous because spontaneity is the only category their theory currently permits. They did not recognize activation when they saw it. Meanwhile, the right-wing apparatuses, in their characteristic of confusion, projected the agency of the george floyd era uprisings onto a single bourgeois bogeyman, Soros simply because they cannot conceive of power operating outside the logic of the individual billionaire or the visible party structure.

The Chinese party understands something the sectarian left has forgotten. Namely, that you do not need to command a movement. You only need to be present within it when the objective conditions tip, ready to channel the rupture toward geopolitical ends. The CCP's actual "bread and butter" its most sophisticated and effective tactic…is what we call cellular latency; the cultivation of prepared actors who integrate themselves into organic social movements, not to lead them, but to wait. They wait for moments of social rupture, for the fissures that inevitably emerge under late amerikkkan capitalism, racial antagonism, economic precarity, ecological crisis, and when those fissures widen into chasms, they activate. The idea is that in these moments this spreads the tactics of the "activated cells" across the wider terrain struggle, in an instant, like a domino effect. In the right moments, the chips fall into place with the others. This isn't far-fetched speculation, im describing how modern intelligence agencies boost movements hostile to the social order of an enemy nation-state.

>>2731977
>Even countries like China, everyone is OBSESSED with American brands and products.
True! After learning basic Chinese I started to watch some bilibili (not understanding much) and it surprised me how much of americaboos Chinese internet users are, so much stuff is lifted out of youtube with machine TL subtitles, a minority even keeps up with the streamerslop drama, they call it "done" meat (熟肉).

>Another is lack of creative innovation in terms of mainstream cultural output
The most significant way I have seen Chinese media break through to the west are donghuas, seemingly every season there is a handful of japanese-chinese coproduction/chinese-only shows among the top 10 seasonal anime. Click Link or MDZS still have fandoms even if the shows ended, I also seen people talk about Fabulous Beasts.

>>2731716
>I could do a so much better job.

How so?

Because men like that are ruthless violent pragmatists who would absolutely be willing to murder someone to gain power. They’re the kind of men the Nazis and Soviets placed in charge. If Russia were to invade the Baltics, someone like that would likely be put in charge.

>>2732037
It is a case by case basis, so I will start with the easiest of the three I mentioned: China

Chima is not involved in any armed conflict in the last few decades. China is mogging the West in urban planning and all that and I think their little showcases of their cities abd railways and etc. Have been their most effective propaganda to date.

I think where they are failing is they fail to really present what their world view is, what the Chinese Communist Party is, eyc. I and I think many accept the reality that China will become the dominant power on Earth and this is the Chinese Century and all that, so it is really on them to sell what their vision of the world is with them at the helm.

I think from my read, the problem is that Chinese culture is inherently very insular and to them China is the world. It is good and bad, I like that they aten't so involved with adventurism like the USSR and all that, at the same time, if they are going to be the king they need to craft that identity and sell it to the world. America sold Pax Americana to the world and the Brits before that and so to should the Chinese.

>>2733485
Lol what level of autism is this?

>>2731716
>this is a serious question
You aren't thinking dialectically, of course opportunist pond scum will be the first to take advantage of the vacuum of anti-imperialism due to corporate media
>They employ all of our greatest fucking lolcowst!
RT America had Abby Martin, one of the greatest mogging artists in recent history. Check this shit out:
https://xcancel.com/AbbyMartin/status/440928406834659328
>Russia Today host who criticised Moscow live on air sent to Crimea for re-education. I mean better understanding
< Hi @Josiensor, thanks for your article. But I am not going to Crimea despite the statement RT has made. Please update accordingly.
MARTIN-MOGGED lmao

This link mentions Chris Hedges, Lee Camp (?) and our beloved sweet autistic comrade Anders Lee
https://therealnews.com/abby-martin-how-the-media-manufactures-bloodlust-for-war

>>2733567
>RT America had Abby Martin, one of the greatest mogging artists in recent history. Check this shit out:
Yeah, I also liked Jesse Ventura. RT now is full on RWing slop. I don't know I don't follow all of it but I was very disappointed them as they were playing up all that Somali daycare shit in Minnesota.

>This link mentions Chris Hedges, Lee Camp
Yeah I liked those too

> and our beloved sweet autistic comrade Anders Lee
Don't know who that is.

But have any of those people been affiliated with them in years? Ok I guess I will do a thorough review. It is either they are playing the both sides with rightoid slop and leftoid slop or just rightoid slop. Neither is good.

>>2733569
This is the propaganda the nation of Russia is proud to put their name to as a state sponsor.

>>2733570
God damn these golem have fucking ZERO engagement anymore lmfao. RT used to make huge numbers it was a really popular news source from 2014 to 2022 or so.
All the other confusionist golem publications like grayzone and the young turks have declined too, Jackson Hinkle have cratered also. This is good, these people are worthless meant to deradicalize western progressives by pulling them into conspiratard zigger acksis of resistance bullshit.

>>2731716
>Axis of resistance sucks at psy-ops
You are not a target audience as youre not a Shia muslim. No idea why you posted some leftist randoms in your pictures.

>>2731716
>CGTN
>RT
China and Russia are not axis or resistance

>>2733570
They are trying to work with right-wing, fascist, and even reactionary socialist elements because they see them as better allies. Western neoliberals and “communists”(who are social democrats in all but name) have no real reason to rock the boat. it makes perfect tactical sense

>>2733589
They have zero engagement because Elon is actively suppressing their posts and preventing them from reaching a broader audience. Elon is literally CIA idk where this idea of Twitter being an impartial town square comes from. He puts his hand on the scale to boost pro-Western narratives.

>>2733731
Why should i care? All the people that i mentionned boosted him and showed fanatical support for him turning Xitter into the shithole it is now. No forgiveness, in fact i am glad Elon backstabbed them.

>>2731843
Idk, PSL defends China and Russia pretty often. I think Workers World Party sent a delegation to China not that long ago too.

>>2733751
Nazi glowie fag supports porky, who would have known? The reason rt arent doing numbers anymore because they got banned (also here in the EU). It got replaced with pro-ukrop propaganda and anti-russian propaganda (not much different what the nazi germoids where broadcasting during ww2). Arte, DW, BBC are part of this push, they are also minimizing the gaza genocide or outright denying it. Redfish was also completely banned (even though those were more critical of Russia than most in the media landscape before the war) Kill yourself yankee faggot

>Nazi glowie fag supports porky
All the people i mentionned did yes. Then elon raped them. It's illegal to see two ennemies you hates hurting each others?

Psyops are a meme. The US is the richest country on the planet and probably in history, people want that for themselves and emulation is the basic bitch attempt at it.

>>2733772
>Then elon raped them. It's illegal to see two ennemies you hates
>he hates larpers more than porky who colludes with the US gov
very subtle

All the parties that the Fascists and the Soviets placed in power were relatively minor. The Ustase had fewer than 1000 members before being installed. A similar story applies to the various pre-war French Fascist parties, which together held less than 3% of parliament. Most of the communist parties of the Eastern Bloc were never even represented in parliament but their party structures existed and remained loyal to Moscow and the Soviets considered them competent enough. By this logic, Russia, China and Iran have essentially have every right to platform and aid the ACP and if they the chance, to install them in power.

>>2733865
the ACP is retarded and is trying to form a coaltion with right-wingers.

>>2733873
It doesn't matter, the Chinese have vouched for them more than any democratic socialist or third worldist group of pissants and when China becomes dominant, the ACP will be dominant.

>>2733878
The PSL has received direct funding from the chinese why would they prefer a small right-wing adjancent "communist" org over an established org that has already received funding from china and cuba.

Workers being apathetic towards these "communist" orgs is a good sign.

>>2733884
Workers vote for Republicans and Democrats Baizuo

>>2733914
Half of them don’t vote at all because they know it doesn’t make a difference

>>2733914
I find it highly unlikely that it wasn’t a right winger who wrote this definition.

>>2733762
That's not me but he's got a point.

>>2733882
I like how the theory of power here is like a dystopian sci-fi movie. Plan: get installed into power in the U.S. by the Chinese army, also post on capitalist controlled anti-social media a lot.

>>2733958
It's Chinese right-wing chuds who created this term. /leftypol/ tends to think one billion of Chinese people think all the same and love Xi unconditionally, but there are also chuds, liberals and also anti-Deng/Xi Maoists and anachists. Politics in China is something you mostly talk about behind closed doors, on WeChat with secret lingo, or within the party, so it's harder for Westerners and laowais to know what they truly think.

>>2733970
You’re partially right, but I don’t think you understand what “right-wing” means in the Chinese context and much of the former Eastern Bloc. Right-wing Han chauvinists are dedicated supporters of the CCP and want Xi to dismantle civil liberties and install a full dictatorship. The Chinese left consists mostly of New Left types, but they are marginal and most people are ambivalent.

>>2733682
>No idea why you posted some leftist randoms in your pictures.
Maybe if you read the accompanying text or noticed what the logos are in the pictures it would clue you in.

>>2733884
>Workers being apathetic towards these "communist" orgs is a good sign.
Like I already said, only China claims to be communist out of the three I mentioned in the OP. My main concern is I want to deflate the US warmongering. I don't want the US to be involved in the Urkraine fiasco, I don't want the US going to war against Iran. I think China is too smart and to powerful to even get in a proxy war with the USA but good publicity can't hurt.

>>2731977
>Another is lack of creative innovation in terms of mainstream cultural output
>>2732022
>The most significant way I have seen Chinese media break through to the west are donghuas, seemingly every season there is a handful of japanese-chinese coproduction/chinese-only shows among the top 10 seasonal anime. Click Link or MDZS still have fandoms even if the shows ended, I also seen people talk about Fabulous Beasts.
Why did that other anon delete?
I feel like Chinese media used to be way more powerful. It's weird how they fell off. Jackie Chan movies, Bruce Lee, Jet Li then in the early 00s all that wire Kung Fu, House of Flying Daggers, Hero, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, stuff was huge. Kung Fu Hustle, Shaolin Soccer. I've seen some clips of their newer stuff like their Korean war movie and it looks like amateur hour. I think they should make more movies set in the modern day or future. I think they have too much of an obsession with their traditional culture which is ironically very antithetical to the communist party and communist ideology. I've been reading the Three Body Problem trilogy and it fucking rocks. Fantastic book series but it seems more critical of the CPC if anything. I think it's kinda balanced, but if you know it really was negative about the cultural revolution period, then in the present and the future it shows China just acting in tandem with world powers and there is this one good character who is a political comissar and is portrayed in a positive light but I can't really say the author gets into anything even remotely positive about communism or anything else. Seems super Westernized too as like probably 3/4 of the references in the novel are to Western literature and then the rest is more traditional Chinese culture.

>>2733970
They have another term, "baiyou" that means "white right" as well.

iirc the term "white" is really a reference to the color of reaction, like White Army. The White Army in the Russian Civil War had social democrats in the mix along with monarchists. So the Whites had a left and a right.

>>2733878
The xhinese foreign policy ended up backing many retarded regimes and loosers movements over the years

It's pretty funny that xina vouching for you means you only get to be a microceleb streamer and a slopulist right-wing account that get ratioed by nick fuentes. Russia gave jackson hinkle a hoe but china cant buy him botted likes?

>>2739418
Pure AIDS. But money well spent I suppose.

>>2735061
>I've seen some clips of their newer stuff like their Korean war movie and it looks like amateur hour.
True, I heard from a sinologist I like to watch sometimes that his contacts in China talk to him about Chinese TV getting more and more boring, and how there is some cultural national push going on which saps the fun out of TV shows. But most of donghuas are ONAs so they are a bit more distanced from this trend.