/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2737062
>The general militarization of the national economy in the imperialist countries led to serious unfavorable consequences. In recent years, the United States has spent about 100 billion dollars on armament and aggression. The products are either used to murder people in the battlefield and destroy social wealth or, if stored away, soon become scrap. They may become “obsolete” before even leaving the plant when new weapons are invented. The militarization of the national economy has brought about strange results: the inflationary expansion of the armament industry and the deflationary contraction of civilian industries. In the past twenty years, the production of guided missiles, aircrafts, and space vehicles in the aeronautics and space industries in the United States has increased its value by six times. On the other hand, the development of civilian industries has been slow. Some industries have had to reduce production. Take the textile industry as an example. The output in 1970 was only 88 percent that of 1950. The policy of aggression and wars pursued by imperialism and the militarization of the national economy led to an immense waste of manpower, goods, and wealth and to great destruction of social wealth. This is a notable feature of the decaying nature of imperialism.
This official scientific socialist line. You defy law of imperialism. Basically, the imperialists exist only to consume to rape and to rape to consume. Oroboros. The fusion of consumer military render consumer market complementary to military market and military market complementary to consumer market. The yank builds bombs to steal, to steal to build more bomb. The yank build so many bombs to steal so much that value of consumer decreases with investment into military, supplying treats to the epstein people.

>>2737049
It’s the dumbest thing you could say in this situation, by declaring his support for a rapist he killed any sympathy people might have had for him.
>>2737087
He thought it was America (the USA) but it was actially America (the continent).

>>2736990
What was he being charged with?

>>2737092
>You defy law of imperialism.
don't you mean "deny" ?
a person can deny a scientific law, but they can't defy it.

>>2737114
file name says sexual assualt

>>2737092
not the anon you are replying to, and i agree with the quote, but that is not marx. it is from after 1970 based on what is being said in the quote. please share the source because i am interested in reading the rest of it.

Huge Leftypol meet up yesterday at pro Iran protest in NYC

https://xcancel.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/2032592289239888005#m

https://xcancel.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/2032577253750546666#m

https://xcancel.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/2032573867344924753#m

https://xcancel.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/2032569765466628362#m

one begins to move differently when you realize that no weapon formed against you shall prosper

>>2737131
YouTube video of it

>>2737132
when did you get out of jail

>>2737138
scientific laws cannot be defied. only denied. you can deny gravity, but you cannot defy gravity.

>>2737138
thanks for the PDF anon!

prairieland anarchists got got for wearing black bloc and holding "insurrectionary" materiel(zines) after a raid on an ice facility went wrong and they got arrested. rioting and other charges arent new and expected but the main precedent set is the black bloc clothing and possessing insurrectionary materiels. also 3 people snitched despite being a clandestine cell.

Mayor Mamdani says his wife, Rama Duwaji, was not aware of anti-Israel posts (like calling some Israeli citizens “parasites”) from an author she illustrated an essay for.

Mamdani calls that rhetoric “reprehensible” and says his wife booked the gig thru a 3rd party

>>2737153
cvckoldry………….

>>2737153
Notice that there’s all pretense dropped here and he’s just being demanded to apologize for being “anti-Israel.”

We all think he’s getting Corbyn’d but isn’t being anti-Israel the popular position these days? Almost certainly to intensify, not lessen. It’s clear Israel isn’t integrated into turning a tide on public option but on intensifying anger towards them.

>>2737145
I have to disagree on two points:
1)This was not an attempted raid, this was a noise demo where they shot fireworks and a pig responding to the scene was shot in self defense.
2)This was not really a clandestine cell, it was at most an affinity group (see the guy charged with moving zines and other people that weren't even there)
But yeah there being that many snitches was disheartening.
Final note:I think this involved some SRA members, let's see how the national affiliates and similar groups fare after this. I sure wish SRA made a statement about the case!

>>2737153
>Mamdani condemns his own wife's antizionism
Pragmatic cuckoldry, don't blow his cover!

>>2733422
>>2733512
i think that this might be an oversimplification of the concept of myth which sorel describes. to really grasp the myth, we must understand that he is not coming from an either idealistic or materialist metaphysics but rather from the vitalism of bergson. for bergson, intuition is a faculty that we have access to by virtue of being living beings. we are capable of entering into the actual duration of other living things that are existent in reality. i think bergson often gets accused of being an "irrationalist" but he could just as well be characterized as a sort of radical empiricist. what we discover through intuitive sympathy is a deeper unity in whatever process we are observing. one could compare this to the intuition of Eternity that one reaches after doing through all of the different modes of consciousness in hegel's phenomenology, but done in experience rather than by working with meta-stable concepts

now, this radically empiricist dimension is absolutely crucial because it renders thinkable the idea that the myth is not simply something that is in our heads but something that can be found evinced in the world itself. this was the power of the general strike. the myth was manifested and grew in power by the very act of the strike itself. the violence which sorel talks about is a very sublime form of violence, not the literal fact of destruction, but rather the conflict between different forms of life in their synchronous manifestation within a concrete situation ..

i think marxists have committed an error in diagnosing the myth as the origin of fascism and hence have the entire movement be simply dismissed as a sort of irrationalism. as you should know, the fascists very much weren't irrationalists. you just need to read the reasoning of gentile to understand as much. rather, the success of the fascists partly lay from recognizing this myth and actually capitalizing it. in contrast, the italian socialists at the time were reformists who could not match the fervour on the ground. marxists have conflated the tool for the very essence of fascism itself, an error that has been fatal

sorry but this is one of the reasons why i think the acp will end up outcompeting the cpusa in the future. their choice to make community work a routine event shall be absolutely decisive as they will make manifest a pro-social myth that would sell communism to the average reactionary member of the maga base far more effectively than abstract "education". actually, when you think about it, party organization only focused on educating the masses is far more idealist, privileging discourse over action. this is also one of the reasons why christians have been far more effective at actually spreading influence. it is not simply about the preaching of the gospel, in the helping of communities, they evince a christic ideal for people to emulate

maybe you can get your party to take notes on this idk

also i am going to make a large blogpost that talks about this issue as well and will probably post it on /ufo/ or something
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/blog/index.html

>>2737145
>black bloc
What is the black bloc?

>>2737153
>condemning your own wife
OOF

>>2737181
>1)This was not an attempted raid, this was a noise demo where they shot fireworks and a pig responding to the scene was shot in self defense.
It was a noise demo and they slashed some tires, but I don't suspect that most of the people in the group expected it to go south, or prepared for any of that. Think the guy who shot the cop was an idiot and a hothead. These were not really militants, they had been LARPing for awhile, but were really just leftists that you meet in any of these groups. But the feds wanted to throw the book at the whole group. It's dangerous from multiple directions. On the one hand, there can be leftists who meet up with some people on Discord, and don't know them very well, and there are guns around and it's cosplaying as revolutionaries or whatever, and then one day, one of them mag dumps on a cop out of nowhere. And then everyone in the group has now "materially supported terrorism" because they rode in the same van together.

>2)This was not really a clandestine cell, it was at most an affinity group (see the guy charged with moving zines and other people that weren't even there)
Yes

>>2737198
a handful of lumpen-hooligans who believe taht randomly smashing some cars and windows will destroy capitalism

Let's go??

>>2737038
Europe is openly re-arming and re-instating the draft is the next step in that process, I'm pretty sure Germany is already in talks to do it.

The US pretty clearly laid out it's strategy. They are going to let a newly re-militarized EU take on Russia while they focus everything they have on China. That's probably why they're moving on Iran, to break up the BRICS bloc even furhter, fuck with China's oil supplies and put a dagger in China's belly.

The fact that the Chinese sit and do nothing while this existential threat openly announces itself to them proves that they are the most cucked nation on earth. They need to be leaning into MAXIMAL US containment or they will be destroyed.

>>2737222

This is why LARPERS and non-Larpers shouldn't be in "cells" or "affinity groups" with one another. Everyone loves the idea of being armed for self-defense, until they realize one of the people with them, may actually pull their gun out and initiate a firefight if they feel threatened. Everyone likes the idea of a "riot" and "fighting against reactionaries" until they see people face double digit sentences for such acts, as the reactionary individuals get probation. Then it becomes, "well, I didn't mean literally it just feels good, they told me to do this, and told me all this political stuff, ALSO THIS GUY I KNOW MAKES DANGEROUS ZINES HELP ME". Consider an anarchist IWW member was killed by police during trumps first term, in an attempt to sabotage busses at a private immigration detention facility. Police shot him in response, so it's possible this historic fact creates a subconscious fear response to police aggression in situations like this; I could honestly picture a Texas cop drawing a weapon on noise demonstrators that seem "too rowdy close to government property" leading to people in the group "fearing for their lives".


https://ffodwoa.substack.com/p/the-prairieland-defendants-and-us

>>2737232
wrong. you defy anti imperialism. treatler uses car to get to work at the killing children factory.

>>2737312
this is why you need an army instead of little anarchist cells. an army instills discipline in it's members. an army trains it's soldiers to strike when and where the time is right. an army is a professional revolutionary sect, not just some LARPing black blocs trying to sabotage a bus.

an army would have drawn the pigs into an ambush and eliminated them or better yet, shoot their commanders when they're sleeping in bed. the police, just like the army, has officers. none of them have security, and they can be killed/taken as easily as anyone else. nothing a squad of trained infantry couldn't accomplish with ease.

the army is the highest form of and the highest purpose of the party. the entire goal of the party should be to organize an army that can physically confront and destroy the agents of the state, in order to intentionally and deliberately erode the ability of the United States government to continue to enforce it's laws.

>>2737232

This isn't correct, it's not a belief or restricted to one idea or class group, it's a old tactic for avoiding prosecutions. It doesn't signify any specific type of street action, it's only a tactic related to how police build cases based on singling individuals in crowds. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>2737331

What are you talking about, multiple groups function at way more advance levels using varying degrees of small autonomous cellular networks. What you are describing is pure fantasy as according to the topic, these people's intentions did not hold any military aims, and from what I'm seeing, they didn't even hold any major disruptive aims. I guarantee you that if this was a serious affinity group, with more serious intentions, it wouldn't have looked like this at all.

>>2737380
>these people's intentions did not hold any military aims, and from what I'm seeing, they didn't even hold any major disruptive aims


that is exactly the problem. you should always have military aims. war and politics are the same thing. lenin was a keen admirer of clausewitz and made reading vom kriege a requirement for all politburo members. there is a reason for that. war is politics, and politics is war.

>>2737331
>the army is the highest form of and the highest purpose of the party
ok felix but we aren't south africa or vietnam where the majority had a reason to fight the occupier or the invader. we are america where as you always point out the vast majority of us are willing and gleeful collaborators. so where is the army going to come from felix.

>>2737401
there has to be a crisis to draw the backwards masses into politics. in the absence of a foreign army to create the crisis, like in China, Russia or Vietnam, (thanks to the insulation of the oceans invading the mainland of the US is basically impossible, the supply lines would be far too long) we have to create the crisis ourselves. the party must wage an active campaign of sabotage and assassination in order to create a crisis so acute that the US government is forced to turn it's full attention inwards.

we must, in essence, force the government to show it's true face to the people, to reveal it's fangs. this way their illusions will be broken. they will hate the government for what it does to them.

>>2737392

Yes, but it's not their alleged cellular, or decentralized methods that creates the lack of discipline. This weakness of tactics is a common point of failure across organizing barriers in the USA. It's weird to attempt to paint this an example of the "superiority" of traditional, dated, rank and file military formations.

The Leninist army model depended on three material conditions that no longer exist in most Western countries. First, the classical industrial proletariat was concentrated in massive factories and land swaths, where workers shared space daily, developed natural trust, and could be organized through workplace cells. Today's workforce is fragmented across service industries, gig labor, and precarious part-time work, people do not spend decades together on the same shop floor building the kind of organic solidarity that revolutionary organization requires. Second, workers in Lenin's time lived in dense, stable working-class neighborhoods, company housing, tenement districts, peasant land based communities that reproduced themselves across generations. Today's workers are dispersed across sprawling suburbs, cities, and transient rental markets where neighborly trust is harder to build and easier to surveil. Third, universal conscription meant that large portions of the working class had military training and understood how hierarchical command structures function, it was ingrained in the culture of the working class. Today's all-volunteer military draws from a narrow slice of the population, leaving most workers with no experience of organized violence and no framework for understanding how an "army" would even operate. You cannot build exactly what Lenin built because the raw materials, the social relationships, the physical concentrations, the shared experiences no longer exist. You have to build from what is actually here. What you are explaining is basically revolutionary reenactment fantasy.

>>2737425
>to create an army, we need a crisis, but to create a crisis we need an army
>destroy your treatler standard of living and risk your life getting getting killed by feds or thrown in a burger prison to draw the backwards masses into politics

whatever happened to marxism being about pursuing material interests

>>2737430

Most people who claim to use dialectical materialism, just repeat phrases and formulas from the past, and don't hold the ability to properly analyze the modern reality with proper materialism. Instead of learning "math" (dialectical materialism), they learn that 3+3=6, and then expect =6 to be the answer for all future additions. This is how most people "learn" dialectical materialism.

>>2737430
climate change means that we either win the war against capitalism (and to be clear, it IS a war, like it or not) within our lifetimes or we're staring down the barrel of human extinction within the next few generations.

we have to move with an urgency now that lenin did not. either we destroy the united states government, or it destroys the world. these are our two options, and we must pick one now.

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>>2737445
>we have to move with an urgency now that lenin did not.
so you are stuck praying for a miracle like a religious person. you are praying a bunch of willing and gleeful collaborator treatlers suddenly become more Leninist than Lenin himself, and go out of their way to risk their lives and create crises to lower their own standard of living despite it not being in their material interests to do so in order to draw the backwards masses into politics, and you admit on top of all this that basically we're out of time and already fucked. Why wouldn't a person just kick back and try to have the best life they possibly can knowing there's no hope. Treatlers won't become Lenins any more than kissed frogs become princesses. You shrink like a vampire in sunlight from this truth.

I used to try to equivocate and find nuance with you people. but what you want is an "honest reactionary" (in your mind) as a punching bag, not someone who agrees with you 90% but has some strategic or ideological differences

>>2737454
The party is the vanguard of the class conscious workers, it represents the masses but it is not the masses. The vast majority of workers will never be in the party. Do you know what the literal definition of vanguard is? It's the troops who march at the head of the army and enter.battle first. The role of the vanguard is to lead the masses by both word and deed.
It is to everyone's benefit to destroy capitalism. We have to take the first steps to do so.

>>2737153
>Israeli citizens “parasites”
very rude, that's just bibi's draft dodging son and every other child of a Israeli consular is, unlike the based draft dodging Itamar Greenberg

>>2737312
>I could honestly picture a Texas cop drawing a weapon on noise demonstrators that seem "too rowdy close to government property" leading to people in the group "fearing for their lives".
Yeah, especially in that town. I have my spies around the area and can tell you the cops in that specific town are stupid thugs. They're also really fat and run speed traps. It was probably the first time anarchists did anything there since 1897 and now there's a dozen people in a surprise black bloc at midnight, like what the fuck. People in this sort of loose anarchist scene in DFW had been fucked up by Fort Worth cops before, and some of them were armed too and the cops just grabbed them, honestly the whole thing was stupid:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-police-release-video-arrests-antifa-attacks-peaceful-drag-show-protesters

But those are city cops. Some random Alvarado cop shows up he'll be like, oh my God there are ninjas attacking the town.

>>2737392
>that is exactly the problem. you should always have military aims. war and politics are the same thing. lenin was a keen admirer of clausewitz and made reading vom kriege a requirement for all politburo members. there is a reason for that. war is politics, and politics is war.
You LARP. That's not what Clausewitz said. He said war is the continuation of politics by other means. Politics sets the objectives of war.

>>2737331
>the army is the highest form of and the highest purpose of the party.
The army is a tool led by a revolutionary working-class party for political purposes.

>>2737180
this is new york

>>2737941
Based. Eternal misery to left-imperialist slavers.

>>2738262
I’m waiting, ugly macaque