/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Soviet idpol is the worst idpol

Yanks have no place in modern politics

KKE is an opportunist stalinist (same thing) party.

>>2733687
You are an anarchist.

Yeah, sure buddy. also
>Syriza
why do you defend liberals?

They're called KKK

>>2733746
I don't, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. "Police brutality is bad actually" is not exactly a high bar.

>When Syriza compared the channel to soviet-era programming and iconography, mentioning bolek and lolek, the official publication of the KKE, 902, immediately rebutted to defend the cartoon, throwing hands about how kids today watch the capitalist propaganda of…spongebob squarepants.
Cringe that this frames it as a sick burn by Syriza that the KKE failed miserably to match

>>2733759
Do you actually think that was important to talk about in the midst of 2013?

>>2733764
I think in a magazine read presumably by its own membership, you can dis SpongeBob SquarePants.

>>2733687
It's not communists' job to "fix economic crisis"
We exist to fight back against American cultural degeneracy and Zionist imperialism

It’s a pretty generic insult levelled at any communist party that hasn’t “reinvented” themselves post-1991 or even post-1922 to lose the “Stalinist” aesthetic that predates the USSR, that subtly accuses them of not just being outdated but also un-nationalistic in supposedly simping for a “Russian” movement and thus cannot be trusted to lead in a, in this case, Grecian way.

Pointing out that Greece, like most countries, is flooded with normalised American culture is a reasonable retort to that.

Syzia mogs the KKE

>Doesn't propose anything to fix the underlying issue of a decade long economic crisis

Αυτό είναι κάτι που εκνευρίζει και μενα. 20 χρόνια κρίση και δεν καταφερε να κάνει τπτ. Πιο πολλά κανει ο ρουβικωνας από το κκε…

I wonder why greek politics is so facistic.
The golden drawn was in the parilment in 2015

It’s almost like communism and the proletariat are inherently reactionary

>>2733919
Lenin and Stalin are losers who lost

>we should betray centuries of marxist history and theory, abandon lenin, stalin and "refound" ourselfes to appeal to western midget shitlibs with plain stuff.

holy revisionism, fucking kill yourself

>>2733921
You’re going to be my slave

post modern leftists are a cancer, so are reactionary conservative ""communists"" like the ACP.

denouncing socialist history is the same of bad faith behavior than never adapting to the realities of minorities that fall under the class struggle umbrella

there is no difference between a anarkiddie, a ACPite and a nazi, it is the same anti-communistic nonsense

European Marxism has barely produced anything good since the end of WW2 and the Soviet Union is entirely to blame.

>>2733934
Anarchists and communists collaborated and fought together the capitalists at times at least, the "reactionary/bourgeois socialists" like acp and nazis always were on the other side

>>2733977
Marx had literally nothing to say on the topic, also fuck you

>>2733977
Literally none of the currently existing AES states have this attitude, not even the DPRK

>>2733977
the DPRK enshrine gender transition in their own articles, they can change the gender of a person in documents, provided that the person goes into medical interventions and changes, go fuck yourself your nazbol shithead

>>2733994
>the DPRK enshrine gender transition in their own articles, they can change the gender of a person in documents
You can't claim something like this without providing a source.

>>2733687

>Doesn't propose anything to fix the underlying issue of a decade-long economic crisis

Communists shouldn't bother solving any crisis that leads to the collapse of the capitalist state. To solve Greece's problems, Greece must leave the European Union immediately, all private banks must be eliminated in favor of a public bank with its own national currency, cheap public credit will be used with state-owned enterprises to bankrupt all private companies to facilitate their expropriation in order to socialize the economy, where all energy, natural resources, and food production must be under sovereign public control, the reindustrialization of the country can be done with state capitalism with state-owned enterprises breaking all patents so that everything can be produced nationally with nationally understood technology, even if it means making generic versions of technologies by reverse-engineering everything and copying from abroad.

>Called people protesting after the murder of a 15 year old by a police officer "hood wearers," a Greek pejorative for anarchists and/or activists

Maybe you don't know KKE's position right on the matter, but even so this party fits into what is acceptable even with errors of the revolutionary socialist party for the supremacy of the proletariat.
Here is an example:
<The first great step of importance for every country newly entering into the movement is always the organisation of the workers as an independent political party, no matter how, so long as it is a distinct workers' party. And this step has been taken, far more rapidly than we had a right to hope, and that is the main thing. That the first programme of this party is still confused and highly deficient, that it has set up the banner of Henry George, these are inevitable evils but also only transitory ones. The masses must have time and opportunity to develop and they can only have the opportunity when they have their own movement–no matter in what form so long as it is only their own movement–in which they are driven further by their own mistakes and learn wisdom by hurting themselves.

<Frederick Engels, “Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence 1886”, Engels to Friedrich Adolph Sorge In Hoboken

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/letters/86_11_29.htm

>When the New Democracy was on the verge of complete fascist collapse, the national television channels were changed and started transmitting from a private signal, susceptible to outside interference. When Syriza compared the channel to soviet-era programming and iconography, mentioning bolek and lolek, the official publication of the KKE, 902, immediately rebutted to defend the cartoon, throwing hands about how kids today watch the capitalist propaganda of…spongebob squarepants.

The KKE is correct; the revolutionary party for the supremacy of the proletariat must be independent of the bourgeoisie. Nostalgia for the Soviet Union is acceptable and there's no shame in it. Being friendly to countries "enemies of democracy" demonstrates not being co-opted by imperialist capitalism. Positive points include destroying the masses' faith in the bourgeois state and normalizing relations with "enemies of freedom." You can't see capitalist propaganda in capitalist media because you've normalized what's there as "common sense" and apolitical, even though that media is controlled by private capitalist companies.

>Has consistently been perpetuating the myth that homosexuality and transgender identity are a bourgeois degeneracy, shifting back and forth between members between protecting their rights, or saying that "babies need a mom and dad!"

From what I know, the KKE disagrees with the institution of marriage, whether heterosexual or homosexual; this is an acceptable position if the intention is to abolish the bourgeois family so that raising children becomes the social responsibility of the whole society.

>>2734002
NTA, but, DPRK Citizen Registration Law.
https://www.nktechlab.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/240611-Residents-registration-law-%EA%B3%B5%EB%AF%BC%EB%93%B1%EB%A1%9D%EB%B2%95-_ENG.pdf

>>2734031
op just got mogged honestly

>>2733994
>>2734038
Law made for the 3 people who changed gender in the history of the dprk

>>2734111
If you had your way those three would be suffering at the hands of conversion therapists

>>2733792
As if repeating a redundant and, currently, merely aesthetic political formula from 100 years ago is worth giving a dime for, or a drachma or whatever. It's the equivalent of the bolsheviks trying to be a french jacobin party in Russia. It is clear that, ever since the USSR lead, the world communist movement has fell into a state of chronic redundancy, the KKE being no exeption. Also, nationalism is completely opposed to communism, which seeks the abolishment of all nations, and this Marx and Engels knew well, wether or not a non-national superstructure under a communist state is possible at the stage of the DOP remains to be seen, since all non-negligible communist movements retorted into nationalism as far as i am aware of (maybe early bolsheviks are an exeption, but i do not know).

>>2734130
What the fuck? What I mean is when you have an healthy enviroment like the one of the DPRK this things can even make sense, but when you are under attack by the epsteinites and pharma companies this stuff plays directly in their hands.

OP as a Marxist myself I 100% agree.
KKE do the same thing as both the CPB and CPGB-ML here in Britain.

It's pure nostalgia bait for Stalin era soviet aesthetics (Stalin imagery is EVERYWHERE), and an IDpol culture war focused primarily on an ideological war against LGBT people and in favour of preserving "traditional values".
Meanwhile actual Marxist thought is never mentioned, other than using technical jargon incorrectly as a poorly understood word salad intended to serve as aesthetic window dressing to anti-Communist, reactionary talking points.
They mention the ills of homosexuality and the need to back the modern Russian state 100x more frequently than they ever mention any modern domestic issues or Marxist theory, more than they mention local union action, local police issues, etc.
Meanwhile they either lack any economic plans whatsover, or present the same propositions verbatim as the largest Social Democratic / Centrist parties.

It's so bad here that over 90% of the CPB's entire youth membership quit and now are trying to form their own new independent regional organisations.
On the other hand the CPGB-ML is highly controlling and manipulative of members. Arguably it's a cult. They enforce a dress code and haircuts which mimic the way that lumpenprole far right wing group football hooligans dress, and they once kept a member locked in a room for a day while interogating him because he posted a tweet saying it's okay to be gay.

These parties are much closer to NazBolism or Duginism than to Marxism / Communism, even though they call themselves MLs.
They are all mechanical materialists who only care about framing the latest right wing grift as though it were a left wing idea.

I don't want to see a single post from any American MLs defending this shit. You are not, and have never lived in Europe.
You don't have any clue what these clowns are like. It's a boomer cosplay club where the boomers only like Stalin and only because they think he was based for being anti-minorities. It's like if the stereotypical Hazite merged with your 65 year old alcoholic Fox News junkie uncle.

>>2734031
KKE has explicitly said that children should be raised by a mother and father, they said it when they put their letter out opposing gay couples adopting children

>>2734793
>IDpol culture war focused primarily on an ideological war against LGBT people and in favour of preserving "traditional values".
I think they need to retvrn to tradition

>>2734804
You should perhaps read the KKE party's point of view as to what they are opposed to. I will quote an article talking about this law with what is being ignored:

<Article 10 legitimizes the commercialization of procreation and adoption in order to circumvent the motherhood-fatherhood relationship. In essence, the bill further promotes the commercialization of the process of having children, by institutionalizing the recognition of international commercial surrogacy by same-sex male couples, and of in vitro fertilization (IVF) with donor sperm for same-sex female couples.

<The same applies to adoption. Given that the number of adoption applications filed by couples or individuals is many times higher than the number of children up for adoption in child protection structures, the way is essentially paved for trafficking in refugee children, but also in children from countries where people are starving, where contraception methods are not available or used, and where human life, particularly infant and child life, is trivialized.

<Therefore, the first and main reason for the KKE's refusal to extend civil marriage to same-sex couples, which enshrines shared parental responsibility, is the commercialization of procreation and adoption.

<A second, equally important and related reason is that, in practice, the articles of the bill bypass the social right of a child to the motherhood-fatherhood relation as an evolving biosocial relationship.

<Our Party considers that parenthood is the relationship between a parent and child, which at the individual level reflects existing social relations. The KKE's position is based on the rights of the child, i.e. the child's social need to have ties with its mother and father. This need has an objective basis: the interrelated motherhood-fatherhood relation, resulting from the complementary function of man and woman in the process of procreation. The laws that are enacted must defend this right, not undermine it.

This does not seem to be defending traditional values ​​or going against the supremacy of the working class. There should be no attachment whatsoever to rights created in the bourgeois state that do not serve as a means for the proletariat to overthrow the bourgeois state and establish the proletarian state to socialize the economy, even if there are errors by the KKE this does not negate the obligation to vote for a revolutionary socialist party independent of the bourgeoisie to leave the European Union no matter the consequences and nationalize everything, having an anti-imperialist position, and this must take priority over any desire you cling to.

>>2734928
<Therefore, the first and main reason for the KKE's refusal to extend civil marriage to same-sex couples, which enshrines shared parental responsibility, is the commercialization of procreation and adoption.
Straight people do all of this skeevy shit too. Surrogacy and trafficking are more of an issue of straight families because straight people are just more common.

<A second, equally important and related reason is that, in practice, the articles of the bill bypass the social right of a child to the motherhood-fatherhood relation as an evolving biosocial relationship.
None of that is real. Abolish the family. Support matrilocal, single-mother families which historically have been commonplace in non-class societies.

> this does not negate the obligation to vote for a revolutionary socialist party
Fuck you, earn our votes you stupid twit.

>Our Party considers that parenthood is the relationship between a parent and child, which at the individual level reflects existing social relations. The KKE's position is based on the rights of the child, i.e. the child's social need to have ties with its mother and father. This need has an objective basis: the interrelated motherhood-fatherhood relation, resulting from the complementary function of man and woman in the process of procreation. The laws that are enacted must defend this right, not undermine it.
Same sex parents infringe upon the child's natural rights which can only be realized by hetero parents and laws made to give others right negatively impact them?

The Communist Party of Greece (KKE) presents a significant contradiction; an avowedly revolutionary party that has, in practice, acted as a stabilizing force for the bourgeois state. This was starkly illustrated during the general strikes of the early 2010s, at the peak of the debt crisis. As thousands took to the streets to oppose austerity, the KKE formed a physical barrier around the Greek parliament. In this position, they did not act as a participant in the strikes, but as a buffer for the institution under siege, directing their energy not at the state, but at other leftists who attempted to approach the building. It was a moment of tragic clarity, where illusions of "party discipline" superseded class solidarity, revealing a logic of sectarian control rather than revolutionary upheaval.

This phenomenon is not unique to Greece. Within the American left, we see a similar, deeply ingrained tendency toward what might be called "institutional capture" which is a gravitational pull toward the very systems these groups claim to oppose. This often manifests as a willingness to collaborate with police or state apparatuses, either to maintain organizational legitimacy, to distance themselves from "unruly" elements, or to secure a place at the negotiating table. It is a politics of respectability, dressed up in the old slogans of Marxism.

What we are left with, in many spaces, is a peculiar breed of activism, what I like to call "redlibs." These are individuals who adopt the aesthetic and rhetoric of revolutionary figures, be it Stalin, Trotsky, Bakunin, Mao, but whose practice is fundamentally liberal and disconnected from the working class. They are performing revolution, not building it. The language of class struggle becomes a costume, worn to signal authenticity or purity, while their actions remain trapped within the boundaries of the very bourgeoisie state and capital they claim to oppose. The result is a left that is often sectarian, self-policing, and ultimately, incapable of building the broad, disruptive unity required to actually challenge class power dynamics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-U7_Pyxwkc


It is worth considering whether these recurring pathologies within the left, the self policing of struggle, the deference to state power, the performative radicalism, can be attributed solely to internal decay, or whether we are witnessing something more insidious over the decades. The possibility of direct infiltration by state security forces is not a paranoid fantasy but a well-documented feature of modern political history. From COINTELPRO's systematic disruption of the Black Panther Party and the broader New Left, to the role of agent provocateurs in labor struggles and anti-war movements, the state has long understood that the most efficient way to neutralize a threat is to hollow it out from within.

Infiltration plants the seeds of paranoia, sectarianism, and self-destruction. It rewards the loudest, most self-divisive voices and punishes trust and organic solidarity. When an organization begins to spend more energy patrolling its own boundaries than challenging the ruling class, it is worth asking, who benefits? The answer, more often than not, is written in the files of the local police intelligence unit or the Department of Homeland Security. For example, for all their theoretical posturing as Marxist parties, both the CPUSA and the PSL function, in practice, in a manner strikingly similar to the liberal NGO sector. The managing dissent, funneling energy into safe, institutional channels, and ultimately acting as a counterinsurgency force within the very struggles they claim to participate, organize, or lead in.

However, to focus exclusively on infiltration risks letting the left off the hook for its own failures. The reality is more nuanced. State repression finds fertile ground because the left, particularly in its contemporary American form, is riddled with structural and ideological dead ends that make it vulnerable to such tactics.

One such dead end is the fetishization of moral purity over power. When revolutionary identity becomes a matter of correctly performing one's ideology, whether Stalinist, Trotskyist, anarchist, or otherwise the movement becomes fragmented into warring sects, each more concerned with excommunicating "heretics" than with building the kind of mass, cross-cultural coalitions capable of actually disrupting capital. In this environment, an infiltrator does not need to create division; they need only amplify the divisions already there.

Another dead end is the substitution of symbolic action for material struggle. When the primary metrics of activism become social media call-outs, heavily policed marches that loop around a few city blocks organized with police liaisons, and the endless production of position papers, the movement ceases to be a threat. It becomes a pressure valve, a way for discontent to be expressed without ever being transformed into power. A state infiltrator working within such a milieu does not need to sabotage anything; they need only encourage the movement to continue doing exactly what it is already doing.

>>2735183
So they are opportunist stalinists, got it

>>2733687
>kids today watch the capitalist propaganda of…spongebob squarepants.
the insane popularity of majoring in marine biology at college is a CIA psyop, I assume.
The children yearn for the primordial evolutionary tide pools from which all life on earth sprang forth

the animals who cannot even have a basic succdem movement are criticising actual communists
we live in a mad world

>>2735183
>the KKE formed a physical barrier around the Greek parliament
lol

>>2735199
KKE arent communist.

>>2735028
Then join another communist party that is anti-NATO, anti-EU (there is no reform of the European Union for socialism, just as there is no reform of the bourgeois state for socialism because both only serve the interests of the capitalist class, but there are radical reforms that lead the bourgeois state to instability with the intensification of the class struggle to prepare for the revolutionary situation in the future), defends without negotiation an anti-imperialist position of cutting off money and weapons for any collaboration with imperialist capitalism, has an interest in implementing the dictatorship of the proletariat and socializing the economy by abolishing social classes, private property and anarchy of production (competition). I live in the global south and there's probably a party like that in Greece. Voting for a revolutionary socialist party is already a form of protest against the bourgeois state. I just hope you don't cling to some right of the bourgeois state so you're prepared for a revolutionary situation in the future, or you should discuss strategy and tactics in a communist party for the supremacy of the proletariat instead of clinging to complacency and denying your duty as a communist.

>>2733994
>>2734013
>>2734038
By the same logic you could argue that the DPRK allows age transistions; this law is obviously made for people who were actually assigned with a wrong sex, which can happen due to certain medical conditions

>>2735630
> duty as a communist

Either a communist party gains the support of the industrial proletariat or it does not. My personal actions are largely unimportant.

>>2735632
Communist society will come about when there is global socialist hegemony, some level of abundance in production, all the contradictions of bourgeois law are resolved through the socialization of the economy, and workers are disciplined to collectively organize the economy. Before this, communists must prepare dual power and popular councils by intensifying the class struggle within the bourgeois state, leading to its collapse and preparing for the revolutionary situation so that the dictatorship of the proletariat can be established to socialize the economy.

Have you forgotten what the Communist Manifesto says?

Let's see then:

<The Communists are distinguished from the other working-class parties by this only: 1. In the national struggles of the proletarians of the different countries, they point out and bring to the front the common interests of the entire proletariat, independently of all nationality. 2. In the various stages of development which the struggle of the working class against the bourgeoisie has to pass through, they always and everywhere represent the interests of the movement as a whole.

<The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand, practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the line of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.

<The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.

[…]

<In bourgeois society, living labour is but a means to increase accumulated labour. In Communist society, accumulated labour is but a means to widen, to enrich, to promote the existence of the labourer.

<In bourgeois society, therefore, the past dominates the present; in Communist society, the present dominates the past. In bourgeois society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality.

<And the abolition of this state of things is called by the bourgeois, abolition of individuality and freedom! And rightly so. The abolition of bourgeois individuality, bourgeois independence, and bourgeois freedom is undoubtedly aimed at.

<By freedom is meant, under the present bourgeois conditions of production, free trade, free selling and buying.

[…]

<The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.

<Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848), Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

With all this, you have a duty as a communist to at least vote for a communist party that follows the principles of scientific socialism in solidarity with the workers of the world to help spread propaganda to dispel the illusions of the bourgeois state among the masses, destabilizing the bourgeois state where you live.

>>2735662
You are wrong. The proletariat will be organized as a class to achieve its supremacy as the new ruling class that will abolish social classes with a distinct revolutionary workers' party independent of the bourgeoisie; the other working classes must act according to what they have in common for the supremacy of the proletariat. You are confusing this with popularity or the "will of the majority," which is irrelevant and has nothing to do with what I am explaining.

>>2735728
The proletariat is nothing, doesn’t exist, and when it does exist, is the most mercenary and opportunistic class in history, communism is impossible, the last 150 years has proven it repeatedly

>>2735728
Nobody has a duty to do shit. You either gain the trust of the proles by fighting alongside their strikes and other struggles against the capitalists or they will throw you in the trash.

>>2735752
🙄 The proletariat being completely mercenary is the fucking point of Marxism. Marxists expect people to act in their material interests. Marxism isn't moral fagging about some bourgeois utopia. Marxism is peace, land and bread.

>>2733687
that flag is missing a letter

>>2735823
Immiseration of the proles is inevitable under capitalism.

>>2735752
>The proletariat is nothing, doesn’t exist, and when it does exist, is the most mercenary and opportunistic class in history, communism is impossible, the last 150 years has proven it repeatedly

You are wrong. The class interests of the proletariat and the capitalist class are the opposite of each other, no matter how many illusions you tell yourself. The other working classes must act on what they have in common with the organized proletariat as a class to seize power and abolish private property, social classes, and the anarchy of production in the dictatorship of the proletariat. Individualists who deny the supremacy of the proletariat will be crushed and punished with revolutionary terror. You sound like an angry liberal thinking your words have some value in trying to co-opt the masses with your sentimentality, but you will be punished as a counter-revolutionary anyway.

The vanguard will guide the masses with propaganda of the objective class interests of the proletariat, which are opposed to those of the bourgeoisie, and unite the workers of the world. Those who deny the dictatorship of the proletariat will be punished in any way possible if they become obstacles along the way.

>Nobody has a duty to do shit. You either gain the trust of the proles by fighting alongside their strikes and other struggles against the capitalists or they will throw you in the trash.

Wrong. Spreading communist propaganda has nothing to do with submitting to spontaneity; spontaneity must submit to scientific socialism to organize the workers and radicalize them to bring instability to the bourgeois state. Slogans such as guaranteed public employment, wage equalization in unions with their democratization and the removal of all laws that prevent the radicalization of these unions, labor rights for all workers without exception including immigrants with unionization of all workers, the right to any legal action and judicial process guaranteed to workers at the expense of the state and capitalists, punishment always given to capitalists for violations with compensation to all workers and unions involved, and fines for capitalists so that no worker can be exploited more intensely in isolation, prohibition of bosses employing immigrant workers with lower wages than natives, with compensation for everything that was not paid with extra punishments for non-compliance, among other slogans that can be used, will convince other workers of the need for the supremacy of the proletariat, and communists do not need to concede anything, moderating themselves for fear of being hated. What matters is that the masses can know that there is another alternative, and this alternative is not vague and questions everything about bourgeois society.

>>2736199
Idealism. Communism is the real movement of the working class, not your private circlejerk. Spontaneity has nothing to do with rejecting your commandism.

>>2736253
So your ideal from of "communism" is one that is poractively focused on IDpol, in particular focused on how it hates black people, women, lgbt, and focuses on white nationalist grievance politics.
you are LITERALLY a nazi. you are an anti-communist

Comrades, once again the two-party system, the pawns of domestic and foreign capital, are pushing the people into the abyss with their anti-popular policies that serve the monopolies. The KKE, and only the KKE, has the consistent, revolutionary, and scientifically-documented proposal that will break the chains of imperialist servitude and pave the way for the only solution that serves the needs of the working class: the rupture with the EU and NATO, the People's Power, the People's Economy, socialist reconstruction. The people must realize this before it is too late.

stares blankly

Anyway, comrade poster, lower the hammer and sickle. The archon of the neighborhood association called again. Something about the flagpole blocking his balcony view. We must be diplomatic. The revolution can wait; the condominium regulations cannot.

>>2736308
You are wrong to idealize the working class and treat the communist movement as a vaguely idealized essence of the working class.

Let's take the texts of Marx and Engels talking about what communism is then:

<We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence.

<Karl Marx. The German Ideology, 1845, Part I: Feuerbach. Opposition of the Materialist and Idealist Outlook, A. Idealism and Materialism

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htm

<1. What is Communism?
<Communism is the doctrine of the conditions of the liberation of the proletariat.

<Frederick Engels, 1847, The Principles of Communism

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

In the manifesto I don't see it written that communists are the "real" working class movement that you say, but rather one that differentiates itself by the following:

<The Communists are distinguished from the other working-class parties by this only: 1. In the national struggles of the proletarians of the different countries, they point out and bring to the front the common interests of the entire proletariat, independently of all nationality. 2. In the various stages of development which the struggle of the working class against the bourgeoisie has to pass through, they always and everywhere represent the interests of the movement as a whole.

<The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand, practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the line of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.

<The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.

[…]

<The distinguishing feature of Communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property. But modern bourgeois private property is the final and most complete expression of the system of producing and appropriating products, that is based on class antagonisms, on the exploitation of the many by the few.

<In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property.

<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848), Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

Furthermore, the factor of having a workers' party independent of the bourgeoisie is also important. This includes having candidates in an election within a bourgeois democracy to spread propaganda and gauge the strength of radicalized workers:

<Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.

<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, 1850, "Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League"

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm