I think I've slept through this part when learning about communism and people's struggles against tyranny and imperialism; But why do we hate Ukraine again?
what a shitty bait
Crimea and Donbas simply don’t want to be part of Ukraine but the EU needs the borders to remain at the 1991 agreed border because then they can take all the minerals and resources located there.
The war in basic overview is a fight for outside forces in Europe to take all the resources and plant missiles in Kiev that would hit Moscow within minutes (think what missiles in Cuba was to USA in 1962) making the war from Russian perspective one of necessity.
>>2738956This anon is also right. Nazis exist in Ukraine but generally they are just used as dumb muscle like in the “trains of peace” where they were going to be sent to Crimea to attack separatists.
The Ukraine state is liberal and capitalist but when people call it Nazi they’re referring to the elite using Neonazis as dumb muscle to attack pro-Russian civilians in the border regions hence “Neonazi regime in Kiev” as Russian propaganda says
Yes yes we all know Zelensky is Jewish by now and not literally himself a Nazi
>>2738114>wewho the fuck is we?
the govt. of ukraine sucks NATO/burger cock. that is a fact. some of us "hate" ukraine for this but i feel bad for them and want them freed from NATO/burger control. they're so cucked they contributed troops to the NATO coalition in Iraq despite not being a member, back in the 00s. their reward for burger loyalty was to get couped in 2014 for refusing to take an IMF loan. burgers then put freaks in power who bombed donbass and luhansk.
but burgers had been bolstering far right forces in ukraine for much longer than that.
this is why donbass and luhansk seceded from ukraine. because burger backed forces bombed them in 2014/2015/2016/2017/2018/2019.
zelensky ran on "peace" and ending the civil war. but it didn't matter. he was a puppet just like poroshenko. seeing the NATO expansion on their doorstep, russia reacted as any bourgeois power does when their "sphere of influence" is breeched. NATO is the greater imperialist power so I support Russia against NATO. framing it as "Russia vs. Ukraine" misses the NATO involvement. Ukraine is a puppet of NATO. Donbass/Luhansk are victims of kyiv regime and Ukraine civil war. NATO caused this whole mess and Russia reacted. Russia was also loyal to the west until NATO kept expanding, because NATO promised not too. All NATO had to do is honor its own promises, but it can't do that because TRPF demands imperialism and bloody wars.
Ukraine as a national identity rather than just a regional identity within Russia was a construction of German, Austrian, and Hungarian imperialism in order to establish a puppet regime within Russia's historic territory.
Basically, there's like the Taiwan or Somaliland of the 1900s.
Every single Ukrainian regime not in union with Russia (Ukrainian People's Republic, Banderite National Government, modern Ukraine) have been anti-Russian ethnostates subservient to western imperialism.
And this is no accident, it must be this way because an independent Ukrainian state that embraces its Russian culture is a contradiction, it would be impossible to justify its continued existence because they would have to acknowledge their history as being Russian history. So they create mythologies about Ukraine being a masterrace vanguard of Europe against "Mongol" Russia, because that's the only way a national narrative can form.
Nazoid country mainly. Look how they're supporting Israel right now and the country is just ideologically opposed to anyone who claims to be anti imperialist or communist
>>2738114I don't feel one way about the country or the other, I just don't want my country involved with it in one way or the other. Unlike most of you Ukraine supporters I actually knew something about it for years before the war. It is just the worse more ghetto version of Russia, everything bad you can say about Russia is just doubly true for Ukraine. Fuck that bullshit. It is like getting involved in the domestic dispute of two lowlifes. I don't want to be involved at all.
It's one of the most anticommunist countries in the world and if it joins the Westoid Treatler order, it will start imprisoning leftists as a whole. What is there to support?
>>2739271>it will start imprisoning leftists as a wholeIt already had. Socialist parties are illegal and Ukraine and there's at the least the Kononovich brothers which were sent to prison for being communists.
>>2739007there are also nazi "elites" in cabinet minister positions and critical high level posts in the military and territorial defense(like war-police), so when people say regime they are usually talking about committed ideological nazis in power
>>2739112>Ukraine as a national identity rather than just a regional identity within Russia was a constructionalso this. its a real national identity now but its also kinda like taiwan or israel and can be really annoying. its not really the general populations fault that the cia hijacked their people and all their important international representatives are nazis psychos
>>2739118Holy shit Mairou, I used to watch him 13 years ago
>>2738114>But why do we hate Ukraine again?Russian nationalism and leftist traditions with Russia. Like Serbia they dont even pretend to care about socialism its just ethnic hatred.
terrible food
>>2739014>the govt. of ukraine sucks NATO/burger cock. that is a fact. some of us "hate" ukraine for this but i feel bad for them and want them freed from NATO/burger control. they're so cuckedTruth nuke. Best post.
>>2740231not really. its just media representation is mostly gusanos. same with taiwan israel poland balts or cuban-venezuelan-korean-vietnamese-americans
>>2739274If this is the standard by which governments to support in international conflicts then you should support Israel against Iran because Israel has a legal communist party while Iran does not.
Gonna repost some of the epic saga of our former Ukrainian drawfag who liked to rant about how much he hates Ukraine and then became a rabid anti-Russian after the war started. I looked him up awhile ago and he lives in Germany now but he still supports Ukraine lol. At least he got his dream of escaping Tarkov. He talks about how cheap life is in Ukraine and how he could get his parents whacked because of some beef he had with them. This is from 2021. Ukraine sounds like a pretty horrible place. It always amuses me how liberals somehow started being racist to Russians while worshiping Ukrainians. Pure schizophrenia.
https://leftypol.org/draw/res/1.html>Bad news. Apparently my drunkard mom and stepdad stole military decorations of my ancestors for WW2 (picrelated one of them) and sold them behind my back for pennies. The whole set was worth at the very least $1500 but it seems those retards sold them for pennies instead. The medals alone were worth $450 but they sold the medals for $120… >I spent the last month barely touching the pen due to that. It's a very big loss to me, when my first love told me to wait for her and later cucked me, I didn't draw for a year and a half, doing nothing but sitting in my room and playing games to distract myself from pain. When my second girl left me, I stopped drawing for 3 months. Those awards were more important than any human to me, more important than anything else but I recover quicker. It's true that with time the pain becomes duller and you grow accustomed to life being a dissappointing pile of steaming shit. When my family hit the new low in 2014, mother lost job and we got into debts due to her stupidity and her boyfriend scamming her, I asked God for a sign that not all is lost, that it's not that bad. A month later I discovered those awards and the story behind them and they brought me joy whenever I thought of them. It's was extremely shameful for me to ask any supernatural forces at my low point because I am agnostic and not supernatural, yet I always remembered how I found them in one of the hardest moments of my life when I contemplated suicide a lot. I can't believe they are gone and I dream of beating my parents. Remember the stepdad's mother to which I brought gifts for the money I earned from commissions? When I told her that her son stole and sold valuable family relics worth $1500, she faked that she cared. After that she pretended that she is not at home and refused to open the door or even talk to me, she tried to hide at home and make me think nobody is there. When I refused to go home, she threatened to call the police. I feel empty now. I have more commissinos than I can handle but I barely have any will to draw. I see those awards in my dreams, whenever I wake up I remember that I lost them.
>My grandmother was afraid my mom will sell them. I didn't believe that my mom would do this, and here I am now, a year didn't pass since grandma's death and my mother managed to steal them out of my room and sell them. I will have to break someone's teath and fingers. I regret that I let my mother and her useless husband move in my grandmother's apartments. My stepdad brought to the household less than $500 for the past 8 months, and my mother spent the last 7 years being unemployed. I was feeding them for 3 months out of my salary and I forgave them when they stole my collection of coins and sold it. This is how they repaid my generosity.
>I will try to sell my apartments and move out of this shitty country. Stepdad's brother is a useless unemployed 49yo drunkard leeching off his 72yo mom and stealing money from her to buy himself booze. He is still living with his mom. I once said that I don't have Ukrainian and Russian friends because I don't like "our people". The faggot asked me why. Those subhumans just keep dissappointing me. >My neighbour borrowed 25$ for a week, then he "forgot" that he borrowed them at all and I had to incite scandals with him as well just to get my shit back. Everyone is trying to fuck me over. The government is corrupt, the neighbours are trying to steal from you and now I have to deal with rats in my house, the same rats I have been feeding myself despite being poor as hell, I spent money on them and what did I get? My parents sold family relics and stepdad's mom threatened me after all the gifts I bought her from my salary. Her own children and grandchild bought her less than I did but I guess blood means a lot more than your actions. It's okay to steal if the thief is your son, in the end she chose to ignore me completely. Several weeks passed since the event, I am not burning with hatred but I understood why vengeance is better served cold. I will redirect whatever income and strength I have at making those people's lives worse, if need be I will hire goons to break them. I desperately wanted to help the poor despite being one, but as the time went by I started hating the poor more and more. Now I see that many of the poor are simply too retarded and have no foresight, that's why they are poor. My parents didn't even have enough brains to sell the medals for half of their real price, fuck.
<It's a long story, way lnoger than what I wrote. Mother admitted her guilt but stepdad denies everything, I threatened to make him a cripple and I hate empty threats. Some people understand only violence, some people are born to be ruled, they are natural born slaves. I gave my parents full freedom and they poisoned their own lives and mine as well. My stepdad liked to brag how he put into hospital a dude that scammed his neighbours, so I will give him the taste of his own medicine.
<It's easy to rob or hurt or kill somebody and get out of the country before this person even goes to the police. I can get out of Ukraine within 2 days, quick enough to avoid getting caught. I don't need to hurt them immediately, nice vengeance requires planning and time. People get killed for less than $1500, people get killed for lesser betrayals and for lesser insults, especially in 3rd world pisspoor countries like Ukraine, which is poorer than Turkey, Iran, China or Morocco. A couple of broken teeth is a lottery ticket in my view. If they stole $1500 from mafioso, they would be dead already. I had weeks to plan my vengeance, I can't love any woman even half as strongly as I loved the first one, and I don't experience strong attachment to anything but to the things I collect and the awards I inherited. Taking those things from me is worse than rape or stealing all my money and the apartment, they chose to spit in my face and take whatever dignity and self-esteem I had. I didn't draw because of some love for art, I was drawing to earn money. What for do I need money now if I love no one and I have nothing to cherish? There's only bitter taste of betrayal and hate.
<I am beyond those things. I told my mother I will sell her out if she ever commits a crime when I was less than 10. Punishment is only just in my view, but she will get none because legally there's no paper proving that those awards belonged exclusively to me and no proof that she stole them. There is no one to hurt them but me and I have nothing else valuable left. I don't need money or women but I needed those decorations. And I was denied even them, denied by the very people I fed and helped. It's not matter of money now, nothing can quench this thirst.
>I was a bit busy starving. My mom is a lying drunkard, I had no internet for 25 days, no food for 14 and soon I may lose an apartment because the drunkards pawned it half a year ago. The retards tried to open bar, loaned money and used the only apartment we have as collateral. Everything was done behind my back. I spent 3 weeks without Internet and 2 weeks starving because my mother lied about paying for Internet, lied about bringing money for birthday and I couldn't ask the money for artwork because I had no Internet. The morning after my birthday a loan shark entered apartment while I was sleeping.
>6 hours before the sharks entered my apartment I sketched Umberto D, an excellent 70 years old Italian movie depicting an elderly man and his dog in poverty. He loses his only home. Didn't expect it to be
<I am Ukrainian, people who leave Ukraine and come back later are either insane or work picking up fruits in Poland. I saw this movie because I consume lots of media and survive off my earnings as an artist.
<The loan shark led me to his boss. They ended up loving me and complimented my intelligence non-stop, I befriended the bodyguard shark (an ex-convict with no finger on his left hand) and his gf who called me future millionaire and compared to Steve Jobs 5 minutes after I started talking to her. I forged the bodyguard shark's documents, he wanted to hide that doctor found marijuana in his piss. All in all a nice time.
>Due to stress I couldn't draw, I spent the money I had on pizzas and hamburgers, which are considered luxury food in Ukraine, so I am back now to dreaming of killing my parents. Got no money left even for a loaf of bread.
>Was working on the catgirl gif, asked the customer about tweaks but he ghosted me. That's unpleasant, I can't post unfinished gif and I can't spend time on finishing it. At least I asked half of payment ahead… Changed the cyborg guy a bit.
>>2738114The government of Ukraine is the idealized epitome of anti-communism in Brazil, where a coup d'état was used to persecute all communist, socialist and workers' union movements in Ukraine with the Maidan coup in 2014.
In this coup regime of fascist reactionary puppets of finance capital several militias of the right sector together with the Azov battalion terrorize, kidnap and silence who they consider a threat to the buyer government with an organization called The Peacemaker ( Myrotvorets ) which is used by neo-Nazis with names, data personal and family members to intimidate, silence and eliminate outlaw journalists and citizens who are considered a "threat to national security" with neo-Nazi paramilitary groups.
The role of the reactionaries was to depoliticize the population so that a false opposition that uses only the discourse against corruption financed by the bourgeoisie in a puppet party of imperialism with Zelensky as a friendly figure for the international propaganda starts the destruction and privatization for the financial capital of the agricultural cooperatives that it was unpopular to just hint at this kind of action before the coup, but Zelensky's opposition party is not opposed and hides this from the public, all public property is being destroyed and labor rights are being attacked. The various reactionary groups are integrated throughout the Ukrainian government in all sectors of the state and Zelensky just put the reactionary lackeys on the line to attack anyone who opposes neoliberalism and the Ukrainian supremacy policy against non-Ukrainian language minorities living in the country and have been repressed since the coup.
The communist party of Ukraine had 13% of the vote before the coup at the time, where the left was seen as the main enemy immediately even though that party was in protests at the time no ukrainian chauvinism and racism against russians, no glorification of the european union, NATO and the IMF, with the defense of the country's economic sovereignty, public enterprises, cooperative sector, workers' rights, legacy of the Soviet Union and solidarity among the workers of other countries come together with neutrality and a desire to restore the Soviet Union. Party general secretary Petro Symonenko has been in exile in Belarus for a long time due to persecution.
Russia does not participate in the export of finance capital like the IMF according to Lenin's description. The fall of dollar hegemony is boosting the financial sovereignty of third world countries so they may not have to follow the international rules of sanctions and patents that keep them indebted and dependent.
Here is an archived Communist Party of Ukraine opinion link:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220219162903/https://kpu.life/ru/101027/petr_symonenko_ynytsyatyva_ukrayny_po_sozdanyju_trojstvennogo_sojuza_uhodyt_kornjamy_v_nedra_my6_y_tsruHere is an article with a narrative against the coup-plotters' capitalist innocence propaganda from Ukraine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171107144346/https://lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2017/10/11/on-russia-todays-liberalsRemember that the overthrow of the Ukrainian government in favor of a weak government that cannot use Ukrainian chauvinism will be weak and will have to make concessions to Communists and workers, this is not the case with the current Ukrainian government, which is financed by financial capitalism and its puppet. It is mandatory to cut funding to all puppets of capitalist imperialism without exception and let all these governments collapse, and there is no negotiation on this.
>>2738114interimperialist conflict.
NATO cucked ukraine vs Russia who wants a bigger piece of the imperial pie because they lost the euromaidan.
some people support russia because they are against the west or view the invasion as justified.
I personally don't like cucktin.
>>2741546The original Donbas separatists of 2014 weren’t fighting for Putin. They were fighting to make another indepdnent socialist state Novorossiya. Ukraine occupied the territory so Russia had to send in troops to get the separatists back up. Learn your history.
>>2741868>weren't fighting for putin>Ukraine occupied the territory>russia had to send in troops to get the separatists back uplets be real what do you want ukraine to do? let the territory separate and just get annexed by russia?
also lets be real they weren't fighting for russia but just so happened to be fighting in russia's interests.
Proxy conflict.
Because a lot of 'socialists' nowadays are actually revisionists, which are non-scientific socialists. These 'socialists' do not follow dialectical materialism and instead are liberals, hence the liberal understanding of imperialism as an evil empire rather than a stage of capitalism, and their support of Russian imperialism.
>>2742163>lets be real what do you want ukraine to do? let the territory separate and just get annexed by russia?Sure, why not? Would've worked out better for them. Why should I care about the territorial sanctity of Ukraine? Because of muh international law or some shit? Cucktin was about to let them keep everything but Crimea. How's it working out for them?
So on just a practical question of territory:
>Shoulda just let Crimea go and seriously worked to a peace deal with RussiaOn the question of wrecking their entire country and losing 10s 100s of thousands of lives of their country men:
>Shoulda just let Crimea go and seriously worked to a peace deal with Russiahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreementsShouldn't have lied their way through 3 whole peace agreements. TBF, the TV clown even told AZOV and them to stop fucking around and fucking up the peace agreements but he has no actual power.
Fucking clown country with a clown flag getting what it deserves
>>2738114The left is inevitably infested with non-western nationalists who pretend that anything their country does is inherently leftist purely because it's not western.
Russia is a capitalist oligarchic shithole and no one who's actually leftist wants it to have any more power.
>>2742200I watched up to the part where he started talking about the plaque to look it up because I don't know about that and to be honest I don't care.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2016/10/14/controversial-st-petersburg-memorial-removed-a55743>A memorial plaque dedicated to Finnish Marshal Karl Gustav Mannerheim in St. Petersburg has been taken down after suffering numerous acts of vandalism, the newspaper Kommersant reported on Friday.>The Russian Military Historical Society, which both installed and removed the plaque, published a statement on its website explaining the reason for its removal.<“The multi-faceted figure of Karl Mannerheim is a subject for study and an opportunity for debate by historians. Illegal acts and monument wars are not methods of discussion."<The statement went on to state that the plaque would be kept without restoration to serve as “a symbol of historical controversies in contemporary Russian society.” ,I really don't care about that though, such a trivial point.
Ok next statue.
https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/66099>Yuri Slyusar, Acting Governor of the Rostov Region, has ordered to demolish the monument to Ataman Pyotr Krasnov by May 9 this year.>The Elansky Cossack Museum and Memorial Complex was founded in 2006. In May 2016, authorities of the Rostov Region initiated an inspection of the museum of the anti-Bolshevik struggle in the village of Elanskaya, declaring the "inadmissibility of the work of a private museum dedicated to General Pyotr N. Krasnov." In their turn, supporters of preserving the museum demanded not to close the museum and the memorial entitled "Don Cossacks in the Fight against Bolsheviks".>The above Acting Governor, Yuri Slyusar, declared, while speaking to the Deputies of the Legislative Assembly of the Rostov Region, the inadmissibility of perpetuating the historical figures who openly sided with Nazis during the Great Patriotic War (World War II). In particular, he mentioned Ataman Pyotr Krasnov, who was posthumously convicted of collaborating with Nazi Germany, the outlet “Privet Rostov” (Hallo, Rostov) wrote on April 26.I'm going to make a second post to talk about the rest which was almost completely lacking in specifics.
>>2742213trvke
>>2742183>Sure, why not? Would've worked out better for them. Why should I care about the territorial sanctity of Ukraine? Because of muh international law or some shit?<ignores self-determination, and russia interferingkys zigger scum. why is it always tor users with the worst takes?
>Cucktin was about to let them keep everything but Crimea. How's it working out for them?cucktin wouldva just devoured ukraine slowly, piece by piece.
>Fucking clown country with a clown flag getting what it deservesmight be a clown country but getting it invaded surely doesn't help the situation
>>2742200He could've mentioned as the war was ongoing, up until
2025 Russia was literally paying Ukraine a billion dollars a year to transport their gas.
BRUH out of all the shit to be said about how fake and gay this war is, is paying fucking Russia paying Ukraine and Ukraine being payed by Russia as their fucking soldiers are killing each other(not to mention Germany and other countries still paying fucking Russia for gas and paying Ukraine to blow up their own pipelines)
Fuck Ukraine, fuck Russia, fuck every single country involved in this fiasco. I just don't want my country involved, and my country is officially supporting Ukraine(but actually supporting both) so I'm going to talk about the fucking Ukraine side in this bullshit. They should've just accepted the loss of Crimea, complied with the Minsk agreements, and then none of this bullshit would've happened. Ukraine as a country brought this on themselves. I'm going to put ultimate responsibility with Ukraine because they're the dumbasses losing the most out of this war when they had a million off ramps to avoid this. I hope that fictional EU membership is worth it. Remember when Ukraine said there is no way that Ukraine would be allowed to join the EU before 2042? LMAO. They still think there is a light at the end of this tunnel. It doesn't exist. He said that before the country turned into the even worse basket case it is today. The Euros lied to you. You're never getting in the club. You guys fucked up big time.
>>2742227>cucktin wouldva just devoured ukraine slowly, piece by piece.Fucking retard listen to this anti-Putin guy:
>>2742200He didn't give one fuck about Donbass. The only thing they wanted was Crimea because of the naval base. Everyone just wanted to keep making money except the NATO warmongers who wanted dead Russians and they don't care how many dead Ukrainians they have to pay to get it.
>>2742228>Ukraine said there is no way that Ukraine would be allowed to join the EU before 2042? Sorry when *Macron said.
>>2742186It's funny how that series would have probably been banned in Ukraine today if Zelensky wasn't president. Before the parliament shooting scene he gets advised by the spirit of Che Guevara, there are also scenes where he gets visited by the spirit of Ivan the Terrible and has a nightmare about Ukraine splintering into like 50 competing states.
>>2742200Batov is a KKE dick riding clown
>>2742163>lets be real what do you want ukraine to do? let the territory separate and just get annexed by russia?Russia was fine with Ukraine keeping Donbass as long as it had autonomy and political representation, with power to vote to keep Ukraine neutral. This was completely unacceptable to the Ukrainian government as Donbass representatives would have voted against EU and NATO integration laws.
Ukraine is the Israel of Eastern Europe, jutting right into Russia and Belarus. The Donbass Genocide is the precursor to the Gaza Genocide.
I hate preddit NAFO tards so I hate Ukrainians
>>2742250Why post screenshot of tweet when can paste text and/or simply link to it?
>>2742256Being a Marxist-Leninist is the new meta on Reddit, you're several years behind.
Lukashenko status?
>>2742250>>2742267Can someone turn this parasite into pink mist
>>2742249>genocideZelensky is literally Russian. So is the Chief of Staff. That would be like Israel being led by Arabs.
>>2742267If you don't provide alt text then that defeats the point, no?
>>2742305What is this supposed to prove? Israel has plenty arabs in the IDF and Knesset btw, there's even an arab islamic party. They're collaborators, just like pro-ukrainian ethnic russians
>>2742307Hm?
>>2742309Well the screenshot doesn't work in screen readers without alt text.
>>2742234>NATO warmongers who wanted dead Russianslmao, cucktin has done more killing of russians himself through the meat grinder
>>2738114>communism is about peoples struggles against tyrannyliberal gay uyghur, communism is about the inevitable collapse of capitalism under the weight of historical materialism.
>>2742373Where is this collapse?
>>2742385*looks around*
uuuuh I don't know, I just don't see it
>>2738114Maidan wasn't a far right coup but nazis took part in it, they didn't get any place in government and all of them went to army and other structers as police. By 20s people were getting tired of nazis here, but Putin decided to nazify Ukraine. I hate Russia just like I hate Israel and United States, Putin destroyed my home. Yes, decommunistation was wrong but Putin is noit a communist liberator from capitalists, he's an imperialist. And you can fight for the rights of workers in Ukraine you just need not to call yourself a communist and use hamsic
>>2742418trvke
how are communists seen in ukraine btw?
>>2742443>how are communists seen in ukraine btw?Are you retarded? He just said:
>>2742418> And you can fight for the rights of workers in Ukraine you just need not to call yourself a communist >>2742418How long should the Russians of Donbass have to undergo Genocide by your "non-Nazi" Azov before you ukros gradually get "tired of" it. Why is it wrong for Russia to liberate them from genocide by you.
>Putin is noit a communist liberator from capitalistsHe's not a liberator for YOU because YOU ARE THE PERPETRATORS. Stalin was liberating the Slavs from Nazi yoke and the Germans resisted. Now the RF is liberating Russians from rule by kiev and the lvovites resist.
Kill yourself libshit. No matter how hard you dickride the Westoids they won't save you.
>>2742547>ukraine is under an anticommunist liberal dictatorship true
>therefore ukrainians are subhuman true
>and you must do unpaid shilling for russiafalse
>>2741546>>2742418Wrong. Maidan is the epitome of what reactionaries dream of doing in my country, trying to persecute all workers' organizations, communists, and the left, using the depoliticized middle class and ignorant young people who fantasize about the West and serve finance capital to destroy the country's economic sovereignty with fantasies to ignore the class struggle. Reactionaries are puppets of finance capital since they were absorbed after the First World War by finance capital to serve as the prototypes of neoliberalism in Nazism and Fascism, which was later used as lackeys during the Cold War to serve the domination of finance capital against the supremacy of the proletariat. Just as Ireland had the right, according to Marx, to secede due to English chauvinism, if it cannot unite English and Irish workers, the Russian population has the right to secede following the 2014 coup d'état of their "beloved" Euromaidan, stripping other linguistic minorities in Ukraine of their rights against those that existed since Soviet Ukraine, fueling anti-communist Russophobia and Ukrainian chauvinism that even alienated Russian capitalists, preventing the circulation of capital to serve European and American hegemony and hand the country over to the exploitation of finance capital. Communism does not tolerate the European Union or NATO, as both serve the domination of financial capitalism and are the complete opposite of the communist project for the supremacy of the proletariat. This project mandates a national currency with a national public bank, suppressing all private banks and prohibiting any fiscal responsibility laws because politics must permeate everything. No military alliance of capitalists, created to maintain the domination of financial capital and prevent communists from taking power, is tolerable. Therefore, NATO must be destroyed, and its enemies will serve the interests of communists seeking power. The demands of Russian capitalists to return to pre-Maidan equality are shared by communists, and the return of communists depends on the collapse of the Ukrainian government and the imprisonment of all lackeys of "anti-corruption" financial capital who dream of the West opposing economic sovereignty.
The war waged by Russian capitalists against Ukraine is logical when capital cannot circulate in a country infested with anti-Russian chauvinism, and state capitalism is superior to private capitalism and small-scale commodity production. Putin serves the common interests of communists more than the repugnant liberal middle class of Russia, which resembles everything I hate about submission to the West in my country: a kind of subservience between liberals and reactionaries against the supremacy of the proletariat. It is forbidden to give any weapons, loans, aid, or sympathy to Ukraine without betraying the anti-imperialist principles written by Lenin. Any "workers'" party that holds this position must be destroyed above all else. It is their duty to sabotage and oppose the Ukrainian government so that it collapses, so that the weak successor government—not chauvinistic or pro-Western—will facilitate the return of the Ukrainian Communist Party and punish all Ukrainian nationalism based on glorifying Nazi collaborators and anti-communist lackeys of financial capitalism, and end any demonization of Soviet heroes of various ethnicities and languages. The Ukrainian bourgeois state is irrelevant since every bourgeois state will be overthrown by the revolution to install the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Do you think I'll fall for the sentimental drivel you're spouting, where all puppet governments of financial capitalism have some right to exist, receiving weapons and loans to enrich the arms industry, and all capitalists coupled with US and European hegemony to maintain global dependence and prevent communists from seizing power to initiate revolutionary terror against counter-revolutionaries, liberals, reactionaries, and "lovers of freedom"?
Now let's start with what imperialist capitalism is according to Lenin, because you think the military use that communists will employ has anything to do with imperialism, just to deceive viewers here with bourgeois pacifism or worse with excuses for financing lackeys of financial capital:
<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:
<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.
<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, 1916, VII. Imperialism as a Special Stage of capitalism.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch07.htmNow let's look at his position on the types of countries as examples at the time Lenin wrote about the self-determination of nations and capitalist imperialism:
<6. Three Types of Countries in Relation to Self-Determination of Nations<In this respect, countries must be divided into three main types:
<First, the advanced capitalist countries of Western Europe and the United States of America. In these countries the bourgeois, progressive, national movements came to an end long ago. Every one of these “great” nations oppresses other nations in the colonies and within its own country. The tasks of the proletariat of these ruling nations are the same as those of the proletariat in England in the nineteenth century in relation to Ireland.
<Secondly, Eastern Europe: Austria, the Balkans and particularly Russia. Here it was the twentieth century that particularly developed the bourgeois-democratic national movements and intensified the national struggle. The tasks of the proletariat in these countries—in regard to the consummation of their bourgeois-democratic reformation, as well as in regard to assisting the socialist revolution in other countries—cannot be achieved unless it champions the right of nations to self-determination. In this connection the most difficult but most important task is to merge the class struggle of the workers in the oppressing nations with the class struggle of the workers in the oppressed nations.
<Thirdly, the semi-colonial countries, like China, Persia, Turkey, and all the colonies, which have a combined population amounting to a billion. In these countries the bourgeois-democratic movements have either hardly begun, or are far from having been completed. Socialists must not only demand the unconditional and immediate liberation of the colonies without compensation—and this demand in its political expression signifies nothing more nor less than the recognition of the right to self-determination—but must render determined support to the more revolutionary elements in the bourgeois-democratic movements for national liberation in these countries and assist their rebellion—and if need be, their revolutionary war—against the imperialist powers that oppress them.
<V. I. Lenin, The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination, 1916https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm#fwV22P151F01Now regarding the issue of wars and the opportunists who obscure the truth by trying to defend imperialist capitalist finance capital that maintains dependency to intensify exploitation. I'm only posting this to avoid confusion if someone is reading what I wrote trying to equate the war of a puppet of imperialist capitalism that uses chauvinism against the Russian population with the right of Palestinians to use violence against Israel to acquire economic sovereignty:
<In short: a war between imperialist Great Powers (i.e., powers that oppress a whole number of nations and enmesh them in dependence on finance capital, etc.), or in alliance with the Great Powers, is an imperialist war. Such is the war of 1914–16. And in this war “defence of the fatherland” is a deception, an attempt to justify the war.
<A war against imperialist, i.e., oppressing, powers by oppressed (for example, colonial) nations is a genuine national war. It is possible today too. “Defence of the fatherland” in a war waged by an oppressed nation against a foreign oppressor is not a deception. Socialists are not opposed to “defence of the fatherland” in such a war.
<V. I. Lenin, A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism, 1. The Marxist Attitude Towards War and “Defence of the Fatherland"https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/carimarx/1.htm#v23pp64h-029Now a text against those opportunists who equate every war as if it were "inter-imperialist" to defend US hegemony:
<Advanced European (and American) capitalism has entered a new era of imperialism. Does it follow from that that only imperialist wars are now possible? Any such contention would be absurd. It would reveal inability to distinguish a given concrete phenomenon from the sum total of variegated phenomena possible in a given era.
<V. I. Lenin, A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism, 2. “Our Understanding of the New Era”https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/carimarx/2.htm#v23pp64h-036With all this in mind, you must remember that, as communists, the revolutionary socialist workers' party must defend the political supremacy of the proletariat without the petty-bourgeois fantasy of decentralization, without fantasizing about a society of cooperatives competing with each other instead of abolishing private property, the competition that is the anarchy of production, and social classes, preparing for democratization with popular councils and intensifying the class struggle to overthrow the bourgeois state in the revolutionary situation that will come, where the vanguard will guide the masses to prepare for the proletariat to become the new ruling class, to socialize the economy, spreading revolutionary terror, punishing all defenders of the bourgeois state, such as liberals, reactionaries, reformists, libertarians, and all those who deny the supremacy of the dictatorship of the proletariat. All laws passed during Euromaidan will be repealed, and all politicians who support it from all bourgeois parties in Ukraine, including reformists, will be arrested. This is non-negotiable, and even your support for it would be grounds for punishing you as traitors, trying to create some insinuation that everything connected to the coup government in Ukraine doesn't deserve to be destroyed without scruples.
>>2738114>But why do we hate Ukraine again?Its unapologetic embrace of fascism.
>>2742305>bro thinks the mizrahi aren't just arabs with a displaced identity and racial complexkek
>>2742418Post your tattoos
>>2738114Literally its because of russian funding and because we hate nato and the eu, some people it has nazis but thats an excuse when there are literal neo nazi states in the modern day
>>2743174>because of russian funding lmao what, are nafotards so delusional?
>>2742519>Are you retarded? He just said:I know, I just wanted more detail at how Ukrainian society views communists and maybe the USSR too.
What he said was just a one liner.
Guess I should have specified that.
>>2744806>I know, I just wanted more detail at how Ukrainian society views communists and maybe the USSR too.They hate it. They banned it. They consider the USSR Russian Fascism that killed a billion Ukrainians in the Hoholdomor.
>>2742418a nazi who helped burn children alive is in your parliament
>>2739112Russian and Ukrainian languages seperated long ago, but yes as far as I know they still had a common national identity until ww1. And yes, most of the southern regions they are currently fighting about is technically a settler colony. Thanks, Czars!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=926l0dYY_P8&pp=ygUfaGlzdG9yeSBvZiB0aGUgc2xhdmljIGxhbmd1YWdlcw%3D%3D >>2742515Give me the original, pls
I don't understand a word from that AI translation
>>2745122>putin annexes parts of another country in which there's a significant russian population>declares mobilization to hold the occupied territory>russians flee russia and settle in neighboring countries, creating significant russian populations there>the wheel of samsara turns<and that's why the balts and finns got tensetranslated it from slopese for you
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