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Sakaism, ethnic reductionism and mutipolar theory are now the mainstream opinion of the Western Left. There are divisions between them of course. Most importantly between the "US centric" and the "China centric". But it's safe to say that the new socialism of the fools is up and popular in the leftwing sects. How can communists work in this enviroment?

This is absurd, Sakaism is basically nothing now when it was borderline scripture 5-6 years ago lol

>>2741124
The whole discourse about Israel is Sakaist, though I doubt the white amerikkkan "communists" who want to expel all the israelis are packing their bags to leave turtle island for Europe

>>2741138
American genocide of native americans was completed over a 100 years ago. Israeli genocide of palestinians is still ongoing

>Multipolaroids won
How so? We're simply transitioning from an American capitalist monopoly to a Chinese capitalist monopoly
>Iraq
Hussein is dead, we have ISIS now
>Libya
Gaddafi is dead, we have ISIS now
>Syria
Assad is playing Counterstrike in a Moscow apartment building, Al-Qaeda Uyghers (literally speaking, not a word filter for the n word) are killing Alawites and Kurds
>Venezuela
Maduro is kidnapped and in some Yankee prison cell, natural resources and industries primed for American private ownership
>Cuba
Months without electricity and riots on the streets
>Vietnam
Worships the USA and is fully capitalist in spirit. Celebrates private CEOs as pioneers on the economic front.
>DRPK
Just chilling, they got their nukes, but trapped in eternal 1980s aesthetics and economic stagnation
>Iran
Khamenei Snr is dead, under constant bombardment from the Great Satan and Zionist entity
>EU
Irrelevant, weak, neutered
>Russia
8 years and 1 million+ dead soldiers deep into a 2 week special military operation
>USA
Rapidly spiraling into a Protestant fundementalist fascist failed state, killing its own people on the streets, just started their own SMO that's bound to fail.
>China
Eternally increasing economic, technological, social growth fueled thanks to their policy of fully embracing the worst of aggressive capitalism under the promise that one day(™) they will transition to a socialist society.

>>2741158
>How so? We're simply transitioning from an American capitalist monopoly to a Chinese capitalist monopoly
No we're not

>>2741175
The number of foreign military bases you have is totally irrelevant, what point are you trying to make? China doesn't need them.

>>2741189
How you gonna enforce your monopoly without violence you dumb cunt?

>>2741195
You are so America brained I expect it's impossible to explain this shit to you. Go read a book o algo.

>>2741201
>Gives up without even trying
Alright I accept your concession, now don't go saying stupid shit like that again

>>2741204
Why would China need military bases across the entire world when they don't have a strategy of monopoly via foreign forever wars, but rather by economic and technological dominance?
Who do you think is China's opposition who would require them to have such bases?

>>2741208
>Why would China need military bases across the entire world when they don't have a strategy of monopoly via foreign forever wars, but rather by economic and technological dominance?
Because otherwise they won't be able to enforce their economic and technological dominance, it would be only a voluntary arrangement. America has been technologically and economically dominant for almost a century, if not more, it still needed to spread it's military across the globe to maintain that hegemony. If you don't have that then what's to stop people from simply usurping you and building their own economic base? What's to stop them from simply defaulting on loans and debts? What's to stop them from nationalizing Chinese firms and ownership over infrastructure in their respective countries?

America doesn't just build these bases for fun or because it's a random strategy they thought of, they build them as a necessity for maintaining their capitalist monopoly.
>Who do you think is China's opposition who would require them to have such bases?
America and western countries, Russia, India, blocks of other countries in Africa and latin america once they develop more.

>>2741222
>If you don't have that then what's to stop people from simply usurping you and building their own economic base?
Why would communists be against other countries developing their productive forces? China is the world leader in developing the productive forces of other countries.
>What's to stop them from simply defaulting on loans and debts?
It's an international monetary system. You no payback debt, you get bad credit rating, you get no more future loans.

>>2741138
lmfao I see, ok keep reading ICP releases and posting increasingly incoherent memes to r/ultraleft, anything else is activism

Multipoltarity isn't a guarantee for socialism

>>2741225
>Why would communists be against other countries developing their productive forces? China is the world leader in developing the productive forces of other countries.
I agree, but you said China would be the new capitalist monopoly. Capitalist monopolies don't develop the productive forces of other countries, if they do it is only in an extractivist way.
>It's an international monetary system. You no payback debt, you get bad credit rating, you get no more future loans.
Aiight what's to stop every country from borrowing a fuck ton of money and then defaulting? No future loans necessary as you got a bunch of free money from the hardworking chinese

>>2741232
But unipolarity is a guarantee for continued capitalism

>>2741236
>but you said China would be the new capitalist monopoly.
Oh sorry, I'm not the first anon you were replying to. Shoulda said NTA before my post.
>Aiight what's to stop every country from borrowing a fuck ton of money and then defaulting? No future loans necessary as you got a bunch of free money from the hardworking chinese
Bankers have figured this stuff out already. That's why they have credit ratings and limits and etc. based off your previous actions paying off loans. You have to establish a pattern of paying back loans before people give you the bigger loans.

>>2741245
>Oh sorry, I'm not the first anon you were replying to. Shoulda said NTA before my post.
I see, thank you for clarifying
>Bankers have figured this stuff out already
Bankers also have a system of state violence that enforces their will on debtors, ever heard of the repoman? While these things are used for risk management, it's not just all left up to credit ratings lol.

>>2741237
No it isn't. If anything monopoly is a sympthom of capitalist exhaustion

>>2741222
>what's to stop people from simply usurping you and building their own economic base?
Lack of competitivity
You can't outmanufacture China, so any attempt to create a manufacturing base is doomed to corruption and buying things from china instead, the only thing they can do is develop le productive forces and become ressource extractors for China (which is why they invest so much in africa and oil countries)

Also
>noooo you neeeeed le military bases!!!
Has been proven wrong by our present state (it didn't stop china from becoming a superpower), and only matters if you can't be the eternal hegemony because of number of ressources + demography
The only country that could have come close to the chinese economic capacity was India, and they twiddled their thumbs and america didn't help them because they don't want a second rival.

>>2741562
china does need military bases, that's why it's been constructing them, also china isn't really a superpower yet since they haven't actually done anything of what a superpower does


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