Sakaism, ethnic reductionism and mutipolar theory are now the mainstream opinion of the Western Left. There are divisions between them of course. Most importantly between the "US centric" and the "China centric". But it's safe to say that the new socialism of the fools is up and popular in the leftwing sects. How can communists work in this enviroment?
This is absurd, Sakaism is basically nothing now when it was borderline scripture 5-6 years ago lol
>>2741124The whole discourse about Israel is Sakaist, though I doubt the white amerikkkan "communists" who want to expel all the israelis are packing their bags to leave turtle island for Europe
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2741138American genocide of native americans was completed over a 100 years ago. Israeli genocide of palestinians is still ongoing
>Multipolaroids won
How so? We're simply transitioning from an American capitalist monopoly to a Chinese capitalist monopoly
>Iraq
Hussein is dead, we have ISIS now
>Libya
Gaddafi is dead, we have ISIS now
>Syria
Assad is playing Counterstrike in a Moscow apartment building, Al-Qaeda Uyghers (literally speaking, not a word filter for the n word) are killing Alawites and Kurds
>Venezuela
Maduro is kidnapped and in some Yankee prison cell, natural resources and industries primed for American private ownership
>Cuba
Months without electricity and riots on the streets
>Vietnam
Worships the USA and is fully capitalist in spirit. Celebrates private CEOs as pioneers on the economic front.
>DRPK
Just chilling, they got their nukes, but trapped in eternal 1980s aesthetics and economic stagnation
>Iran
Khamenei Snr is dead, under constant bombardment from the Great Satan and Zionist entity
>EU
Irrelevant, weak, neutered
>Russia
8 years and 1 million+ dead soldiers deep into a 2 week special military operation
>USA
Rapidly spiraling into a Protestant fundementalist fascist failed state, killing its own people on the streets, just started their own SMO that's bound to fail.
>China
Eternally increasing economic, technological, social growth fueled thanks to their policy of fully embracing the worst of aggressive capitalism under the promise that one day(™) they will transition to a socialist society.
>>2741175The number of foreign military bases you have is totally irrelevant, what point are you trying to make? China doesn't need them.
>>2741189How you gonna enforce your monopoly without violence you dumb cunt?
>>2741195You are so America brained I expect it's impossible to explain this shit to you. Go read a book o algo.
>>2741201>Gives up without even tryingAlright I accept your concession, now don't go saying stupid shit like that again
>>2741204Why would China need military bases across the entire world when they don't have a strategy of monopoly via foreign forever wars, but rather by economic and technological dominance?
Who do you think is China's opposition who would require them to have such bases?
>>2741208>Why would China need military bases across the entire world when they don't have a strategy of monopoly via foreign forever wars, but rather by economic and technological dominance?Because otherwise they won't be able to enforce their economic and technological dominance, it would be only a voluntary arrangement. America has been technologically and economically dominant for almost a century, if not more, it still needed to spread it's military across the globe to maintain that hegemony. If you don't have that then what's to stop people from simply usurping you and building their own economic base? What's to stop them from simply defaulting on loans and debts? What's to stop them from nationalizing Chinese firms and ownership over infrastructure in their respective countries?
America doesn't just build these bases for fun or because it's a random strategy they thought of, they build them as a necessity for maintaining their capitalist monopoly.
>Who do you think is China's opposition who would require them to have such bases?America and western countries, Russia, India, blocks of other countries in Africa and latin america once they develop more.
>>2741222>If you don't have that then what's to stop people from simply usurping you and building their own economic base? Why would communists be against other countries developing their productive forces? China is the world leader in developing the productive forces of other countries.
>What's to stop them from simply defaulting on loans and debts? It's an international monetary system. You no payback debt, you get bad credit rating, you get no more future loans.
>>2741138lmfao I see, ok keep reading ICP releases and posting increasingly incoherent memes to r/ultraleft, anything else is activism
Multipoltarity isn't a guarantee for socialism
>>2741225>Why would communists be against other countries developing their productive forces? China is the world leader in developing the productive forces of other countries.I agree, but you said China would be the new capitalist monopoly. Capitalist monopolies don't develop the productive forces of other countries, if they do it is only in an extractivist way.
>It's an international monetary system. You no payback debt, you get bad credit rating, you get no more future loans.Aiight what's to stop every country from borrowing a fuck ton of money and then defaulting? No future loans necessary as you got a bunch of free money from the hardworking chinese
>>2741232But unipolarity is a guarantee for continued capitalism
>>2741236>but you said China would be the new capitalist monopoly.Oh sorry, I'm not the first anon you were replying to. Shoulda said NTA before my post.
>Aiight what's to stop every country from borrowing a fuck ton of money and then defaulting? No future loans necessary as you got a bunch of free money from the hardworking chineseBankers have figured this stuff out already. That's why they have credit ratings and limits and etc. based off your previous actions paying off loans. You have to establish a pattern of paying back loans before people give you the bigger loans.
>>2741245>Oh sorry, I'm not the first anon you were replying to. Shoulda said NTA before my post.I see, thank you for clarifying
>Bankers have figured this stuff out alreadyBankers also have a system of state violence that enforces their will on debtors, ever heard of the repoman? While these things are used for risk management, it's not just all left up to credit ratings lol.
>>2741237No it isn't. If anything monopoly is a sympthom of capitalist exhaustion
>>2741222>what's to stop people from simply usurping you and building their own economic base?Lack of competitivity
You can't outmanufacture China, so any attempt to create a manufacturing base is doomed to corruption and buying things from china instead, the only thing they can do is develop le productive forces and become ressource extractors for China (which is why they invest so much in africa and oil countries)
Also
>noooo you neeeeed le military bases!!!
Has been proven wrong by our present state (it didn't stop china from becoming a superpower), and only matters if you can't be the eternal hegemony because of number of ressources + demography
The only country that could have come close to the chinese economic capacity was India, and they twiddled their thumbs and america didn't help them because they don't want a second rival.
>>2741562china does need military bases, that's why it's been constructing them, also china isn't really a superpower yet since they haven't actually done anything of what a superpower does
>>2741158honestly anon this all is so depressing this really is the blackest age of reaction. tbqh it probably is the best time to organize but thats fucking impossible now with social media.
>>2742024>tbqh it probably is the best time to organize but thats fucking impossible now with social media.Honestly at this point the internet would need to go down for a long time for the western left to make any sort of progress. The absolute retardation we see within the western left (especially with the Americans) is by and large a byproduct of the internet.
>>2741549>Lack of competitivityWhat do you mean? What's to stop other countries and regions from being or becoming competitive once China becomes this supposed capitalist monopoly? Weren't other countries uncompetitive compared to the US economy as well over the last 500 year. They still needed all dem bases and all that war. They didn't just spend all that time and money on that shit for the lulz
>You can't out manufacture China, so any attempt to create a manufacturing base is doomed to corruption and buying things from china insteadWhy? This is an eternal fact of the universe or what are you trying to say?
>the only thing they can do is develop le productive forcesThis will expand their competitiveness no? Doesn't this contradict what you were saying before?
>become ressource extractors for China (which is why they invest so much in africa and oil countries)I think they invest in underdeveloped economies because there's the most room for growth there and thus higher return on investment, not because they necessarily want to exclusively resource extract
>>2742137 (me)
meant to type last 100 years*
>>2742037i really doubt it'd happen because of mobile phones being common worldwide. perhaps in events like Nepal or Bangladesh where the government banning some of them leads to radicalization. the internet really made people comfortable even in the worst economic conditions, just makes me sad. i still have hope for a workers revolution even in the modern era of fascist evolution though.
>>2741107> mutipolar theorycorrect!
>Sakaism, ethnic reductionismwhat?
>>2741175China is socialist. I know it's hard for you to believe but it's true.
>>2742465>i still have hope for a workers revolutionMore likely to get a socdem swoop in and deradicalize everyone
>>2741201>You are so America brainedThat isn't even American brain. How do you think imperialism and the monopoly works? The British Empire had bases and colonies all over the world to ensure its trade network and monopoly. Yes it is actually important. Even using the excuse that China doesn't need military force and only needs technological and economic force is also naive. Hypothetically, how will China enforce debt owed without threat of violence
>>2741562China isn't even a superpower and doesn't even have the same weight that the USSR had around the world which was an actual superpower. That is actually American propaganda for China as the replacement of the USSR because they need a geopolitical rival to put blame on and say they are an international threat.
kinda hilarious that you are what now quadrupling down on being an illiterate moron? sakai advocates are maoists ands ultras their position is closer to leftcoms and anarchists than they are to multipolar leninists
>>2741138oh actual mossod/cia posting very cool
>>2741107It's important to understand because it changes the character of left-opportunism. In the brief period of US unipolarity from the 90s thru the 2000s, socialists had very little space to work with, but they could get a little play by arguing in favor of supposedly universal values of 'democracy' and 'human rights,' or just being generically anti-American or anti-'globalization' in order to attract random discontents within the world system.
Now with the US retreating and other regional powers stepping up, there's a space for leftists to ally with their own national bourgeoisie in the name of labor protectionism, national defense, social patriotism, etc. They might actually win seats in government if they commit to joining the fight against their nations' geostrategic and economic rivals. We may finally see some socialist governments taking power just in time to fight the next wave of regional wars over borders and trade routes.
>>2765465Arak Soviet ever existing at all status?
>>2765659Source for that Mattick quote?
>>2765672You jewish niggers will deny any actually existing class struggle if it gets in the way of geopol coping even for a second.
If you're not a multipolarista, you're not a communist. OP is a liberal painted red!
>>2741232"Multipoltarity" is contrary to socialism.
>>2741562>they twiddled their thumbsTechnically, but the truth is that market crapitalism is simply inferior to dirigisme when it comes to developing the national project.
It was on purpose too, most of the higher castes in India likely have little interest in developing a country full of plebs and dalits and much rather would get one gorillion dollars in their personal accounts, live the gusano life in the US and sexually harass white women on the streets.
>>2765797>The Arak Soviet is real because I want it to be real!! It's just real ok!! The fact that there's no proof just means it was crushed!!!We can't always get what we want friend
>>2765805I trust the report of Iranian socialists claiming it was real. Were the oil workers' strikes fake too?
>>2765807>widely reported event with multiple witnesses and sources corroborating vs one article of dubious origin and some graffitiYou still on that one unsourced article? Lmfao for all you know they got it from the same place any moron on the internet gets their misinformation (rando boomers on facebook), the CPI didn't even "report" on it lol, they just posted the same article on their webzone. As far as anyone is able to deduce, that statement and that picture of graffiti is all the '"Arak soviet" has produced, You can keep holding on brother, but I'd prefer it if you did it over on r/ultraleft
>>2765871
Tudeh and other foreign socdems are all pro regime and are quoted by islamists here all the time to counter the claims of the parties actually on the ground like the CPI and WCPI lol
>>2765869>Because my imaginary soviet isn't real you must believe no class struggle is possible at all!!They're doing class struggle by dropping bombs on tell aviv right now friend
>>2765888>YawnYea open that big mouth and keep sucking big porky cock you fucking classcuck
>>2765890>Gagaggoogoo!!!Stay mad infant
>>2765893You are seething right now
>>2765896>G..ga ga goo!lmfao maybe it's time for bed lil guy
>>2765885>iran is imperialistfucking kill yourself you retarded glowie fuck
>>2742037>everyone became stupid because a new technology got inventedno, they were already stupid
>>2765902he actually said that
>>2765920Why don't we ask the KDP-I about that
>>2765928Why are bordigists getting their undies in twist over the Arak Soviet not being real? The impossible conditions should have made that obvious.
>>2741145>American genocide of native americans was completed over a 100 years ago. indigenous still in reservations over here. there are absolutely ways to increase their sovereignty at the expense of US empire.
>>2741138yes we americans are hypocrites when we criticize israel, that doesn't make the specifics less correct. Also it's not all Europeans over here. did you forget? Some of my ancestors were enslaved, and others fled the potato famine. Cut me in half and mail me to two continentss
>>2765942>to increase their sovereigntyExplain in detail
>>2765942>indigenous still in reservations over here. there are absolutely ways to increase their sovereignty at the expense of US empire.Sure, but it's marginal. Their population was reduced from 100% to 3% of the population of the territory. Whereas palestinians still make up half the pop in theirs, not including those in Jordan and elsewhere. Reservations are basically refugeecamps/concentrationcamps/ghettos. Just because they are still around in some fashion doesn't mean the genocide wasn't successful
>>2765938Breaking the kayfabe of their larp is very offensive to them
>>2765969Adding on to this, the Bureau of Indian Affairs (Part of the US Department of Interior, which mainly deals with resources) will only consider you 1/2 Indian if your parents are from different tribes. The Federal government was aware of the Pow-wow tradition in which members of different tribes would meet and marry, many tribes do not marry from within their own tribe.
They do this so someone who is 100% Native American may not qualify for any "bennies" given to Amerindians simply because their parents are from different tribes. So the only option left is inbreeding
reminder that multipolaroids were on suicide watch after maduro got kidnapped
>>2766008Were we, though?
>How can communists work in this enviroment?
They don't know, they have finally won, they got their multipolarity environment to "advance the material conditions" but they are completely unprepared to deal with it, just like they were unprepared 5 years ago.
Online Leninists love to talk big then do absolutely nothing. It's an absolute cancer. It's the strict definition of a circlejerk. But don't worry, maybe after one or two million Iranians die tomorrow, maybe they will wake up and get breakfast. You just have to wait a bit for the perfect revolution, a few centuries more…
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