/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2746601
Not really, just cut the fence, most of that shit is on floppy disks anyway

>>2746603
>waaah the government knows where I am
Just mine the road and blow it up as they approach

>>2746606
not the armed security, constant monitoring, and large amount of defences?
>>2746607
that's more likely to kill random civilians than it is to kill government agents, also they can just come in from a helicopter or drone strike you

>>2746571
>There’s a fundamental difference between in starting a revolution in a post-colonial nation where the army functions more like an extension of a police force and the people are treated almost like subjects and a modern, developed country.
I think some other things are the state being ruled by some clique which doesn't transfer power ever. The U.S. is ruled by capital but there are two parties which take turns running it, which takes off a lot of steam so the right-wing gun crazies work off surplus energy by going to Trump rallies rather than doing something more destructive with their spare time.

Another factor is a clique running the government failing as the insurgency spreads and having to rely on foreign support to stay in power, which further delegitimizes the state and allows the insurgents to portray themselves as a patriotic force for unity against the foreigners (even if they're also being armed or funded from the outside to some extent). This is what happened to the U.S. in Vietnam, and Russia and Iran in Syria, which is a post-colonial state that structurally inherited the colonial pattern.

>>2746612
You can buy drones at walmart and fly them at helicopters, also you shouldn’t expect to live anyway

>>2746612
You give the middle finger to the cameras and the men watching will faint because they’re pussies

>>2746619
if they can just wipe you out without even sending one guy in there, then there's zero purpose

>>2746623
Having a cool suicide is the point

>>2746603
Even in the most ideal scenario of a US collapse, it’s more or less impossible for any communist group to take power in whatever regions they’re in. The possible exception might be the APC(love them or hate them, they have strong standing in their community and even a few police or military personnel in their ranks). More broadly, though, it would likely be the Army, Police, or other federal law enforcement taking the reins, or perhaps highly pragmatic, cartel-like groups.

>>2746603
>>2746607
The US is very big and very small at the same time. One time I was doing a solo drive down the interstate 10 in the middle of the night and I was in the middle of the desert, like absolutely nothing and no one there, I was getting tired so I turned off onto a dirt road went down maybe half a mile from the road and found this flat ground to pull out onto and went to sleep. Then I was awoken a few hours later by some fat cop yelling at me on a loudspeaker. He nearly shot me as he startled me and I started fumbling around for my insurance, he yelled at me "WHAT ARE YOU MOVING AROUND SO FAST IN THERE FOR?" I put my hands out the window and asked him for permission to look for my insurance. Anyways by the end, of this event there were like 6 cop cars there from both the New Mexico and Arizona police forces and I just explained to them I was just taking a nap. They told me someone had reported an abandoned car in the few hours I was sleeping there and somehow this ended with like 7 cop cars all coming out for this event.

>>2746633
and all of them would still fail

>>2746655
Why tho?

>>2746618
It varies by country, there’s a big difference between a third-world army like Nigeria’s and one like Ba’athist Iraq’s. the former doesn't exist(it's an extended police force), but Iraq still had the governmental capacity to pose a real regional impact. both Ba'athist Iraq and Syria shared the same problem, power was often handed out to personal relatives or friends of the leader, regardless of merit. In Syria for e.g around 80% of the senior officer corps came from the same village as the Assad family, Iraq had a similar pattern. Combined with corruption, this led to weak military institutions.
The only real solutions for such states are either to completely dismantle their armies and rebuild from scratch. which is difficult, costly and risks angering powerful elites or to work within the existing system by establishing more localized, state-sponsored militias that can cooperate with each other.

>>2743014
Revolution in the US would happen when its society rots enough, but it would not be from a guerilla uprising (at least, not solely from it). More likely, it would be something akin the lines of "Californian governor doubts the integrity of the latest presidental election and declares secession, the Republican president sends troops to quell the separatists but fails to realise that this time, troops cannot dehumanise the enemy with racism as always, and part of the military turns on the president too, but then soldiers go AWOL and start looting the offices and mansions of every goverment official in NY and DC who they heard was in Epstein files…"

>>2746634
Some frenchies, tiqqun I think, did that, the glowies went completely bonkers and paranoid over a handful of intellectuals shitposting in a zine. Untold manhours were spent investigating an imaginary anarchist underground

>>2746727
No offense, but that’s an equally, if not more romanticized view. I live in a nation that is truly rotted and let me tell you, a revolution will happen when the Army is already revolting or simply doesn’t care, when things aren’t functioning properly.

>>2746727
rot is not the deciding factor, it is a crisis after crisis that collapses a government, the crisis that collapsed myanmar is something that is opportune for a communist revolution, because it came after decades of crises and improper governance, the same holds true for any developed and thus "stable" nation, you would need so many that the government simply cannot maintain the support of the majority

>>2746822
Or a big war the workers refuse to loose (paris commune) or want to stop (germany/russia ww1), or a general strike that immobilizes the economy (may 68). Basically you need a crisis of some degree that creates a huge rift between oppressed and oppressors AND worker organizations ready to go into the breach

>>2746831
then you also need cumulative internal crises as well, may '68 and the commune failed for this reason

>>2743014
if amerikkkasn like it then it must be marvel tier slop garbage so thanks for the anti-recomendation

To me, this movie was a left-wing Starship Troopers. A wish fulfillment fantasy for "lefties" that is so excessive that it comes off as a satirical movie to those who aren't biased towards the ideas the movie expresses.

I find the movie's themes very insidious. It portrays a group of revolutionaries fighting against the system, but written in such a way that in typical Democrat fashion it intentionally portrays the poor and the oppressed as non-white and generally asserts that "progress" is really about a zero-sum racial war between whites and non-whites where the non-white people are the good guys. I don't think I need to explain why does the DNC do this. By channeling real discontent towardds glorifying rigid identity categories, they can mostly get away with refusing to pursue any concrete policy that would actually help poor people. It's also a favour to their Republican friends and the entire duopoly system to ragebait white people into becoming committed supporters of capitalism and then all of this circles back towards using the Republican white masses to scare racial minorities into voting for the Democrats.

There are a few things that, at least to me, give it away that this was actually intentional, even if it hides behind satire. The only non-white person who works for the white people is the Native American. The people who live in rural constituencies where people vote Republican… From what I could gather the data confirms that their voting patterns are closer to that of white people than blacks or Latinos. The second thing is that the main character is a white self-insert character, while everyone else around him is non-white, meaning no matter how much the movie celebrates racial minorities, it's still aimed at white people, like a typical white liberal democrat.

Those who take this movie seriously are retarded. If you, for example, didn't laugh at the realization the only time an enemy of the revolutionaries was humanized was when they had to shoot the black security guard, as if you are only allowed to feel empathy towards people whose skin is above a certain melanin level.

Take a note of one thing: there is not a single person in the movie who actually works for a living. There is not a single factory worker or service industry worker. Not even an independent tradesman or an office workers at a big corporation. It's all just criminals and law enforcers, which perfectly reflects the petty-bourgeois mindset of the original Weathermen. The guy with the dojo comes the closest to being a useful part of society, but even his scenes feel like a post-modern mini-homage to East Asian martial art movies than anything that makes any attempt at representing reality. The guy also runs an NGO for Latinos, which in real life would be mostly concerned funneling voters towards the Dems instead of fending off hordes of policemen or doing anything that comes close to being that politically risky.

>>2746940
I agree with this post except that Verhoeven's Starship Troopers was knowing satire based on an unsatirical novel. Starship Troopers is satire so excessive that it comes off as genuine!

>>2746352
The Naxalites are doing fine, as the Maoist PPW in India is currently in the Strategic Defensive stage, in which the CPI (Maoist) wages a low-level insurgency and begins to consolidate its revolutionary base areas, which will enter the Strategic Equilibrium Stage, in which Naxalites can begin seizing control of large sections of rural India, once India and Pakistan go to war with each other as part of World War III between the U$ and China, with the final Strategic Offensive Stage being reached once World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War, including between Pakistan and India, which will allow for the final Naxalite offensive to overthrow the Reactionary Hindutva Fascist Comprador Bourgeois Capitalist Indian State, and create the Hindi SFSR, Kashmiri SSR, Punjabi SSR, Sindhi SSR, Gujarati SSR, Marathi SSR, Konkani SSR, Kannada SSR, Malayali SSR, Tamil SSR, Telugu SSR, Odia SSR, Bengali SSR, Assamese SSR, Khasi SSR, Mizo SSR, Manipuri SSR, Ao SSR, Nissi SSR, and Nepali SSR, that will all join the future Global USSR (All of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the map I posted) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2743014
When it comes to this film, while I have not watched it, I have to say that I agree with the general consensus that the tactics/scenarios presented in the film are very unrealistic for obvious reasons, that the plot has many holes in it, and I would add that the scene with the pregnant lady firing a machine gun is pretty cringey, now I will admit that the film may still be entertaining overall (personally the extremely unrealistic nature of it and the cringey pregnant lady firing a machine gun scene ruins it for me and makes it unlikely that I would even attempt to watch it) but it should be viewed as just a typical cheesy Hollywood action movie with Leftist aesthetics and nothing more nor less, and with the Film critique aside, it is very important to note the Dialectical Materialist reality that while Maoist PPW is currently viable in the Material Conditions of the Periphery/Semi-Periphery, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Material Conditions of the Imperial Core until World War III breaks out and/or Bourgeois Liberal Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events probably happening around the same time, and to further clarify what I mean by this I am talking about the viability of the Strategic Defensive Stage of Maoist PPW, as reaching both the Strategic Equilibrium and Strategic Offensive Stages of Maoist PPW in the Imperial Core will require World War III between the U$ and China to escalate into a Global Nuclear War that destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a successful World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2743560
>>2744678
vice signaling

>>2747022
>The Naxalites are doing fine
no they aren't, they once ruled like a half of an entire state and now they are confined to a few mountains

>>2746940
>The people who live in rural constituencies where people vote Republican… From what I could gather the data confirms that their voting patterns are closer to that of white people than blacks or Latinos.
Native Americans are also overrepresented in roles like infantry in both the Army and the Marines and more them half of them are evangelicals, it’s kind of surprising.

>>2747146
Expansion and contraction of Revolutionary Base areas is a classic attribute of the Strategic Defensive Stage of Maoist PPW, and as long as the CPI (Maoist) wages Maoist PPW against the Reactionary Hindutva Fascist Comprador Bourgeois Capitalist Indian State, the Naxalites are doing fine, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2747152
two more years until strategic equilibrium, trust the plan.

>hollywood slop about race
when will libs finally get tired of this shit?

>>2743065
>Do you mean to say that many western 'communists' are more concerned with aesthetics and ironically want the movement to remain in obscurity so they can feel special?

If you've been on this website for more than 5 minutes you'd know this instinctually. See: iron felix, "MTW" sakaiposters, "anti campists" that want to protect the movement from the brown hordes outside the Garden, etc

>>2747152
everytime i see you post emojis, i want to smack you.

>>2746628
The only real path is
>Join the Military
>Go to College
>Join a 3-letter agency
>Run for Office
>Found a Secret Society
>Tribe and train

>>2743074
>what is the Media Break-in?
Apologize.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens'_Commission_to_Investigate_the_FBI

>>2746352
>a guerilla army only works if it has broad local support, otherwise it's just gonna get eviscerated (see the indian army against the naxals for example)
uygha wat? I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure they have/had strong local support.

>>2746352
>>2746348
>>2746571
>>2746591
the paradox of revolution is people have at least 1 job, sometimes family to take care of (a 2nd job) and sometimes elders to take care of (a 3rd job). This keeps them very busy and risk averse. Then they are told that, if they are tired of being exploited and tired, they have to risk their lives (a 4th job) to "educate" (a 5th job) "agitate" (a 6th job) "organize" (a 7th job) and militarize (a 7th job) against a state that will literally kill them and everyone they love. Most people will opt to not do that for obvious reasons. The situation has to be INCREDIBLY DESPERATE. i.e. the average person needs to be starving or getting press ganged into a war, or getting thrown in prison and tortured, and even then, it still might not manifest in revolution because people don't want a bunch of extra jobs when their 1 or 2 jobs is already the source of the vast majority of their misery. So you have to find a way around this, especially in the imperial core USA where people are on average NOT starving and nobody is getting drafted anymore. Exploitation by employer will also never ever ever ever translate into class consciousness if the workers view their employer as bad apples rather than part of a class system. They'll just keep quitting and switching jobs because subtracting 1 job (quitting) is way easier than adding another job (being a revolutionary)

>>2751633
You for got one
>driving themselves to and from work
TOTAL CAR DEATH

>>2751567
That video was from 15 years ago and the Naxalites have lost virtually all of their territory.

>>2744846
> the Chinese new left
>look inside
>critical of the very successful strategies that bled the burger reich dry
meh

>>2743074
>>2746279
relevant

>>2755427
lol, sad but trvke

>>2753498
That statement is irrelevant.

>>2755427
>>2755614
Apologize → >>2751562

One BBC After Another

>>2755432
LMFAO

>>2756810
Not the WU you dumbass

>>2756807
having local support doesn't matter if you've been killed or forcibly separated from the people who support you

>>2756966
Again, irrelevant statement to the conversation you replied to.

Read from the top and try again.

And I'm not arguing, I'm saying this because comprehension is an actual important skill if you want to create a better world.

>>2755432
is this supposed to make me hate cars less?