/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Anyone can recommend some bibliography on the history of modern banking and finance, crashes, depressions etc.?

>>2841001
they're not its retarded rightists who always bring that shit up. the actual trans people I've met talk less about gay shit and trans people than your average rightoid.

>>2855662
that has fuckall to do with the actual economic policies of the NSDAP in power

i dont know jack shit about the armenian genocide. the turks are to blame correct?

Is it scientifically feasible to evaporate all social-democrats? Why has no one tried?

If moralism is a dumb spook and self interest is the only motivating factor, why should anyone be a socialist? Most socialists fail or are persecuted, even if they "win" the revolution they might end up in a gulag or fighting some huge war against capitalist powers. Wouldn't it be easier to just keep your head down.

is anything real?

Why shouldnt people have territorities? If every other animal does it too, it seems to be natural.

>>2855866
he knows but is grasping desperately for straws
>umm da peopo bewieved splain dat commie

>>2865669
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy
>>2865439
I doubt many here are genuine Stirnerites people mostly say that jokingly. Of course most people believe communism/socialism is desirable because of their own moral and ethical convictions. When people here (when Marx himself did it) sometimes laugh at or shit on moralists it is because they perceive them as letting their moral convictions restrain their vision and/or actions in a way that is counterproductive to a larger project for building communism/socialism.

Stirnerites tend to be anarchists, so I suppose one of them would answer to you that nobody should be a socialist, if moralism is a spook and self interest is the only motivating factor.

>>2865669
i mean you will have a 'territory' in communism, it's called your house

>>2865678
We will own houses in communism?

>>2865680
hold tight now: you will own every house in communism

>>2865734
B-but what if some stranger comes into one of my houses and rapes my GF? Am I allowed to bite him and show him the boundages of our territorities?

>>2865934
If you volunteered in the mandatory people's militia, you can execute him right then and there

>>2865680
and you might even get your own summer cabin, especially if your a factory worker

are 1st world normies becoming more commie or are they just going strasserite treatler mode as some allege?

>>2866928
They're definitely going more commie yeah. But plenty of false consciousness too.

does the average prole really care about communism or are they false conscious? Well evangelizing to them make them care or will it just come across as a type of academic hyperfixation? Does the person telling them about communism need to be hot or will that distract them from learning?

>>2867037
Thats why communism ant the workers movement will only be identical after the revolution, because as of now, the distribution of knowledge is so poor that only a small fraction of the population of a given country can truly learn all the shit that must be learnt. Until then, well have to do with a considerable minority of workers to our cause, and the rest will follow after favorable reforms and ideology. The means has usually be what some people here called the kautskian/Leninist mass party form, but wether or not this is the only/best form to do it remains uncertain

I have online commie high school fatigue.
Is there any open/public community that doesn't consist of majority non-Marxist illiterates / edutainment addicts?

Thats a lot.

Can a communist explain to me how you can be a communist without it feeling like you're defending some sort of religion?

I was reading communists online talking about East German zersetzung and they were constantly saying "it wasn't real", "CIA did it first", "they deserved it for blue jeans and bad punk music o algo". They couldn't accept that the eastern bloc, which never even abolished wage labour, became a bureaucratised hellole that harassed people and gave them cancer for interrupting the cohesion of the system so the people doing it could go on holidays in Bulgaria. Communists will also never talk about the time they blamed CIA beetles for destroying all their agriculture or the fact Marx and Engels were wrong about almost everything from the Oriental Mode of Production to mathematics to Irish workers starting a revolution in England. Modern communism was invented by Lenin from Hegel and immediately turned into State Capitalism with the NEP.

Communists also use mental gymnastics to grapple with modern world affairs. They just repeat "billionaires" again over and over because understanding the superstructure and anything but class reductionism is probably racist and sexist (unless it's anti people with light skin and first worlders). When you ask them about Israeli influence in Western countries they just go "the US imperialism o algo" like robots. A few select Marxists can have insightful takes such as the COVID pandemic being a setup to test novel monetary policies and social engineering due to the problems facing capitalism in the 21st century but most also became pfizer bots the second they saw "the chuds" not wanting to take Albert Bourla's Jew juice.

I remember trying to be a communist when I was like 14 and eventually I just realised communists spend all of their time trying to make everything they see conform to a contrived narrative. For /pol/tards this is actually easy since Africans have heads the shape of peanuts and eggplants, but for communists this involves constant mental gymnastics, moral-religious appraisals of why they're arguing for the shit they do and extreme nitpicking autism about Chilean CIA operations in the 1970s (which they get wrong half the time anyway because they only do a half-assed attempt at learning about things to try and do apologetics for their religion). Being a communist honestly seems fucking exhausting. How do you aging millennials on this board do it?

>>2867037
u can talk to people normal without "evangelizing" don't be a sperg about it

>>2879549
Don't forget your booster shot this year bro

>>2879549
Damn you baked like 20 different baits into your loaded question. Good job faggot.

>>2869911
nice bait

>>2865734
If you own something you can dispose of it.

>>2879626
only through it's destruction in that case

Are conservative muslim terrorists right wing?

Is Beevor’s Battle for Spain any good such that I should continue reading? I stopped reading 10 pages in when he started saying the Anarchists were just as, or more, bad than the fascists.

>>2879693
Obviously.

>>2879736
Answered my own question. Into the trash the book goes

what were the contradictions of primitive communism?

Why doesnt the left seek compromise with the right? Give them their irrelevant idpol goals in exchange for our economic goals?

>>2883511
Ever heard of CLASS?

>>2881394
That it is an abstraction since there's no going back to it unless a global nuclear war goes on or some shit like that.

>>2883511
Their idpol goals require immense suffering and oppression of those they dont like and that contradicts with communist goals of destruction of class and equality of man

>>2881394
>what were the contradictions of primitive communism?
scarcity

How do i cope with the nagging doubt that my ultimate goal of proleterian revolution will not solve social issues i deeply care about and that im abandoning these things in a purely class struggle approach? I understand not wanting idpol but i just dont feel like the end of capitalism will mean an end to those other injustices? Myself and a lot of my friends have skin in the game and i feel deeply resentful of those who inflict oppression that is not strictly class based and feel like im just lettting it all happen while waiting for a revolution that might never come and even if it does, it might mean nothing in the end in that sense. I dont care if i get called an anarchist for this but if im being honest i cometely understand their behavior considering how bland the mainstream marxist movement sounds to people whose rage drives them forward. Maybe im just getting demoralized but it is what it is.

>>2883522
>Their idpol goals require immense suffering and oppression
I agree with this. Nothing will change until rightoidism can be medically cured.

>>2881394
just spitballin here but I wonder if the extinction of megafauna by hunting pressures would count since the basis of food production is hunting large game species but overhunting results in the megafauna going extinct and thus changes the food production.

>jewish billionaries
why do rightoids have such an almost allergic response to any kind of marxist theory? why cant this latinx faggot just say bourgeoisie

>>2883986
anti-semitism is class struggle for idiots

why is marxism so obsessed with petty bourgeoisie when the strict definition of petty bourgeois (individual/family commodity producer) is vanishingly small?
there's also the special category of "haute bourgeoisie", who proportionally control a lot of the economy, but in the grand scheme of things not really

between those categories that receive special attention, there's the vast gulf of seemingly "ordinary bourgeoisie" that nobody talks about, that accounts for like 90% of everything.

>>2883511
>Why doesnt the left seek compromise with the right?
the left™ has compromised with right constantly since forever, its the foundation of multiple leftoid ideologies like social-democracy and marxism-leninism, the hell world you live in right now was born out of the leftoid compromises of the 20th century

>>2885337
You are right, marxists never talk about the bourgeoisie.

>>2883986
because "billionaires, some of which are jewish, importing millions of muslim rapists" makes perfect sense?