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Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.

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>>2907956
>Did second hand embarrassment exist before
Yes?

>>2908023
It's impossible… I'm weak… struck with the consumption…

>>2908954
That's not entropically favorable tho
The most communist thing would be to consume as much as possible to crash capitalism
Although, that is never going to work kek, but that's the theory behind it

>>2908954
this is one of the dumbest posts i've ever seen. the amish are just as capitalist and business oriented as anyone else in america, they consume plenty of commodities. just because those commodities aren't iphones doesn't mean they somehow arent buying and selling goods every single day. you have to be a fucking moron to think that the amish have magic powers that make all their necessary goods just appear out of nowhere.

>>2908954
Amish always use loopholes in their ideas to use modern tech lmao

>>2908954
Listen I agree that some commies can absolutely be hypocritical by always having the newest iPhone and such, the Amish are not the counterpoint you think they are. They constantly find loopholes to use modern tech that makes their lives easier.

Is a planned economy really possible or just a pipe dream, and any modern book on the topic of the feasbility of planned economy?

>>2909021
Peep the handbook >>2566144

>>2908973
For a better critique I'd say Marx didn't want people to practice asceticism or return to handicraft production, so consumerism is a bit of a red herring of the left (especially around the 2000s) which is why the meme is fun to poke them with. Iphones are a bad example because some Amish buy them, the excuse being they use them for business, and don't have them in the house (supposedly). But you're wrong that they're as business oriented as anyone else, some are petite bourgeois land owners yes, worth a few millions at most, they sell stuff like furniture, clothes, jam and other homey food items. If everyone was like them the modern world would collapse, but not in a revolutionary way.

Anyway, socialism will liberate consumerism:

https://buffsoldier-96.medium.com/a-marxist-defence-of-consumerism-c307f9186921

https://ephemerajournal.org/sites/default/files/2022-01/13-2varul.pdf

Still, with resource depletion we might have to mix and match lifestyles to make everything work out.

>>2909021
All economies are planned.
It's just a question of who plans, and for what.

If you could force the whole world to speak in one tongue, like the Tower of Babel; one language, dialect and accent, would you? I see that it would allow for general intelligibility in communication, but it would also erase what is most particularly meaningful in saying what cannot be so easily said. For example, where one language fails to comprise the total horizon of meaning, a foreign word often replaces it. A "café" is a French word used by English-speaking people, and it is incorporated into the general syntax seemlessly, yet this is only possible where two languages are separated. So, it is separation that allows for integration, and thus for meaningfulness to be completed.

So, a one-world code of speech and writing would allow for basic meaning, but could not be totally meaningful. Any thoughts on this?

>>2911022
Language is Propaganda. God was right for once.

So, what's this "Schizo Maximalism" I hear people talk about on USAPol sometimes?

Why there is so much infighting among leftist?

>>2912175
The traditions of all dead generations n that

>>2912175
because we actually take our beliefs seriously unlike almost all other ideologies, therefore don't always agree on implementation

>>2912175
Because whereas rightism is about pruning "troublemakers" from the system which would be fine without them, leftism is about changing the system, from milequetoast reform to total abolition. Problem is there are both a lot of possibles "what comes after" whio are not compatible which each other, and even when people agree on"what comes after", there are a also a lot of possibilities when it comes to "how to get there".

>>2912276 (me)
Also because of COINTELPRO's heritage, anyone with a slightly different opinion is a presumed wrecker, so any disagreement escalate to full blown conflict.

>>2912175
There are like 500 different leftist ideologies.

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Any books on direct action or combat in the streets (rebellions, riots, etc) but from a ML perspective?

What are the cause of poverty?

>>2912646
Gabidalism

>>2912646
Greed.

>>2912646
>What are the cause of poverty?
poor planning + more wealth possessors than wealth itself = Poverty

>>2912646
Poverty is the default. A better question is what causes wealth?

What's the significance of "being from the imperial core?" Like, every time I see it brought up, it's from a "global southerner" calling them privileged for "benefiting from imperialism," but what is that supposed to mean? With almost every country in the world integrated into the US or pro-US institutions like the WTO, World Bank, Bank of Settlements, etc, etc, it seems like the number of people that HAVEN'T benefited from yankee imperialism in a greater or lesser way directly or indirectly is actually very, very small.

>>2914099
It's impossible because the EU was built from ground up to be anti-socialist. Socialists should push for independence and sovereignty from Brussels and then strike bilateral deals with countries rather than going through the neolibtarded EU apparatus. The last thing any socialist wants is some retard like Kaja Kallas or Von der Leyen making decisions for their country.
I've attached a book for more reading if you're curious as to why the EU sucks.

Is philosophy just a hobby, or is it something more?

Why continental philosophy is so popular among left leaning people? Why analytical philosophy is hated by leftist?

>>2914559
You mean online? It's just some meme vibes shit among left-ish and right-ish people. People have heard that their in-group likes this dead philosopher, so they go along. Or they have heard their enemies like that dead philosopher, so they go against. In my (very limited) direct experience with the texts of philosophers, the analytical types like to talk with great precision about shit nobody cares about, and the continental types seem to talk about or at least brush against important topics, but in a way that is both very verbose and imprecise.

>>2915021
>great precision about shit nobody cares abou
Like accountability

How would a genuine communist society and economy truly work? I never fully understood how would work in clear way.

>>2915552
>How would a genuine communist society and economy truly work? I never fully understood how would work in clear way.
It's a scam

Can really change the environment of people make the people change in their behavior? Like, if we give a good environment to the underclass, would that help them or they would keep behaving in antisocial ways as always?

>>2916268
It depends.
Many antisocial types have bad upbringings, not simply because of poverty, but because of a lack of good parents. Most criminals have bad parents - and once that trauma is in you, it's hard to escape it.

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What do Marxists think of Aristotle's writings on physiognomy?
>Aristotle - Physiognomics:
<Mental character is not independent of and unaffected by bodily processes, but is conditioned by the state of the body; this is well exemplified by drunkenness and sickness, where altered bodily conditions produce obvious mental modifications. And contrariwise the body is evidently influenced by the affections of the soul—by the emotions of love and fear, and by states of pleasure and pain. But still better instances of the fundamental connexion of body and soul and their very extensive interaction may be found in the normal products of nature. There never was an animal with the form of one kind and the mental character of another: the soul and body appropriate to the same kind always go together, and this shows that a specific body involves a specific mental character. Moreover, experts on the animals are always able to judge of character by bodily form: it is thus that a horseman chooses his horse or a sportsman his dogs. Now, supposing all this to be true, physiognomy must be practicable.

What's everyone's opinion on how long the Dictatorship of the Proletariat should last?

Are NEETs revolutionary or just leeches?

Would people here agree that Direct Democracy is the only true form of Democracy? Representative "Democracy" is literally just Oligarchy. For example, public opinion does not reflect public policy. Democracy is necessary sympathetic between them, making all "representatives" non-representative of an electorate. So, all politicians are obstructing to the real ends of politics.

>>2919728 I would argue that representative democracy is a more efficient and "democratic" system than monarchy, dictatorship, and outright oligarchy, but yes. Ultimately representative democracy is not pure, true democracy; it's just as colse an approximation as has been tried by modern states on a national scale.

>>2919741
But isn't the reason we don't have Direct Democracy in most Western states because it would more effectively wage class war against the capitalists?

>>2919728
I don't know how you could have direct democracy in a sprawling industrial society that requires highly specialized knowledge. For example, let's say everyone agrees we want nuclear energy. What kind of design? Where should it be sited? What to do with the waste? These are questions for engineers and thus you now have a "bureaucy." At best, it seems like the engineers could offer different plans to the populace, explain the pros and cons, then have another vote, but I somehow doubt that's gonna happen. And who would vote on it? The people of the state, wait, we got rid of states. Should people in Indonesia get to vote on engineering projects in Argentina?

>>2919745 Yes, mostly. However, it is also more efficient at making larger-scale coordinative decisions. Even the CNT had a representative congress.

>>2919766 All good points, and this is basically my only critique about anarchist-communism (and hence why I don't advocate it as a strategy in the present day USA and Europe). This system works best on local, mostly self-sufficient scales. Even Kropotkin knew this and dedicated a whole chapter of The Conquest of Bread to advocating relative self-sufficiency and local resource security, with trade reserved for non-essential goods. In the societies of even the 1940s and 1950s, already a comfortable living standard for most people, anarchist-communism with a confederatory congress of limited representation and gave optional, voluntary orders to coordinate larger projects would have been possible (though even that wouldn't be 100% democratic). But today, the economy is too complex, and Americans are too treatleritic to ever accept it until climate change brings about material conditions that make this system possible again by scaling back industrial producting to mostly essential goods and saving luxuries for local production.

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>>2919766
>I don't know how you could have direct democracy in a sprawling industrial society that requires highly specialized knowledge
This is an argument against democracy in general, not just against direct democracy as opposed to representative democracy (same as picrel, I fucking hate this image). The only requirement for being a professional politician is being of age and getting elected. Might as well have a technocracy if you're concerned about the competence of the people voting for this or that law.

Direct democracy would probably just mean replacing the current parliaments of the world with citizens elected by way of sortition. Of course, we would also want a dictatorship of the proletariat along with that.

>>2919869
This is funny because it's the literal argument for aristocracy from the man himself, the ship of state.

>>2919728
Direct democracy is just like gang rape.
Representarive democracy is just like oligarchy.

Why many leftist don't like Transhumanism?

>>2919869
>The only requirement for being a professional politician is being of age and getting elected. Might as well have a technocracy if you're concerned about the competence of the people voting for this or that law.
Yeah this. Politicians are making decisions about just about any topic.

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So Im wondering if comrades who are better read on imperialism can help me understand something about trade and how it relates to imperialism.

Here is the example: an European Proletarian sells their labor to the bourgeoisie, gets paid a wage, and uses it to buy cheap commodities produced in China. The Chinese bourgeoisie gets paid for those goods and uses that money to pay wages to Chinese Proletarians. The bourgeoisie also use this capital to expand their factories and to sell products to Chinese Proletarians.

To me this looks like a win-win for the proletariat in both countries despite the bourgeois leeches capturing most of the value from the trade between them. Isnt foreign trade with China helping the proletariat there?


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