/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2800754
A russian soldier.

>>2800160
if war and struggle is cool why haven't you joined the military anon?

What exactly is Post-Marxism?

Are Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze, Guattari, Negri, Fisher, Zizek, etc worth reading at all?

>>2800166
Will the space communists be able to defeat the space invaders? Or are space invaders the communists ?

>>2800160
>wouldnt that be kind of shit
no
>no wars, no struggle, no nothing
global communism and no wars doesnt mean everything is solved, theres no problems and its all love circles. And I dont think we're gonna see "global communist peace" in any reasonable timeframe anyway, if it ever happens.

>>2800754
>what people mean when they reference /z/ and “zigger
pro russian people in the context of the ukraine war

>>2801104
>What exactly is Post-Marxism?
"post marxist" are CIA pushed, retards infantile that claim to be communist or "radical left" but are in reality mostly idealists anticommunists, they have no realistic plan to change the world and are often actively hampering the people that do try to move toward socialism in reality. Well thats what I got, I dont think theres any hard definition, its a fuzzy category, but all the people that claim to "move beyond marx" often reveal themselves to be be morons, socdems or anticommunists

>Are Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze, Guattari, Negri, Fisher, Zizek
there can be some interesting shit, but theres also loads of bullshit, and nothing actually useful for changing the world and making a communist revolution

>>2800754
As for the reason - it's because most of the Russian vehicles had big white 'Z' painted on them at the start of the war as their brigade identifier or something

Would starting with Adam Smith be a correct move as a completely illiterate person on political economy/economics? If not, where to start? Where to proceed? I was planning Smith > Ricardo > Marx with essays or secondary literature along the way as difficulties arise. How's that?

How do trade unions form?

>>2802107
The original trade unions (guilds) were secret societies which you had to be initiated into. The freemasons began as a masonic guild. Contemporary trade unions are monopolised by existing organisations, which have millions of members.

>>2802153
So they dont form then? Is that what you are saying?

>>2802154
Not today, not really, since any big company will have established their own union. Smaller places could form their own union and go on strike, but its not common.

>>2802157
So how do trade unions form?

>>2802158
They have formed by canvassing to workers, whether in a particular field or to workers in general. Thus, there are plumbing unions, teacher's unions, etc. But also general labour unions.

>>2802160
So its spontaneous and not something that can be "forced" or hastened?

>>2802160
>general labour unions
Class unions?

>>2802163
General trade unions like Unite and GMB in the UK have around 1.7 million members, collectively and span various industries.
>>2802162
How do you mean? You generally pay a membership fee in a union, so if someone is forcing you to pay something, they're robbing you.

what the FUCK is a human being anyway?

Is there any contemporary marxist literature about the gig economy?

>>2804486
A very intelligent monkey.

>>2804508
Shameless bump with peak for attention

>>2805685
breen is peak not just for the unintentional comedy but also because its literally how your typical Qanon-flat earth-antivaxxer burger views themselves in relation to everyone else, history and the world in general.

How does a communist state look like? A single party like in the GDR?

Is left-wing politics good or bad?

>>2805969
historically speaking there have been one party states, communists that win on a regular basis in multiparty elections, societies that outright reject having a nation-state in the first place and everything in between. It can vary a lot depending on the material conditions.

>>2805969
a communist state is an oxymoron. communism is stateless.
for a description of the form of a socialist state i recommend reading anton pannekoek.

>>2805969
The GDR did not have a single party

>>2792624
the anon you are replying to is quoting marx in gothakritik and the rest of that paragraph after his quote explains exactly what you explain here.

How to handle my Eastern European friend who claims they were traumatized by communism?

>>2806225
Don't. As someone living in the butthurt belt, you can tell these people any idea you have for socialism and they'll still equate it with the worst aspects of the Stalin years or call their own capitalist countries communist and bad. It's a special kind of mental illness born from nationalism and having a failed form of socialism imposed upon your state

>>2806225
Just tell him it wasnt real communism.

>>2804508
Any specific questions you have regarding 'gig economy'? I ask because in the end 'gig economy' merely is a fancy word describing a way for capital to deminish or outright ignore whatever is left of workers' rights. So to understand the destitution of a worker without any rights or leverage to enforce his demands you can just read Marx and other 'classic Marxists'.

>>2806225
Just insult them or laugh at them. Tell them yes, it was in fact better than the system we have today. If they can't handle it that's on them.

>>2806247
Just broadly what a gig worker's relation is to the means of production. How does a gig worker sieze the means of production if the means of production is an electronic app?
Are gig workers a new class within late stage capitalism, similar to a guild journeyman who own their own tools, but are unable to sell their labour other than at a value dictated by the guild master (uber, doordash, amazon)?

>>2806225
ask what specifically traumatized them, I'd bet money it's something that happened after 1989-1991

Why didn't guilds ever have the same class consciousness as unions once had?
….Or did they?

If globalism is capitalists wet dream, why is nationalism not considered left wing?

>>2806538
Left and Right are both bourgeois politics

>>2806444
>Just broadly what a gig worker's relation is to the means of production
Same as for any other worker: he doesn't own means of production. He has to sell his labour power to survive. The novelty is that this happens via an information service provided by a monopolist via an 'App'. Stuff that before the rise of these platforms already was facilitatet by telephone books, black boards, homepages such as craig's list.
>if the means of production is an electronic app?
These apps are not means of production. These apps are systems to distribute information. While they offer some form of information service to the users that results in some (perceived) level of convenience, they primarily aim to become monopolistic platforms taking the form of basic infrastructure to then extract rent from the users. They don't produce. The way they are structured and positioned in capitalism, is mostly parasitic.
>Are gig workers a new class within late stage capitalism
No. They are not even a new class in capitalism. They are merely workers without job securtiy and with even less workers' rights than a conventionally employed worker. They are akin to day labourers and are close to (becoming) 'Lumpenproles'.
>similar to a guild journeyman
Not really. Guilds were a form of organizing (skilled) labour and represent interests in the middle ages. They faded away alongside the development of capitalism. One could argue that trading guilds facilitated the development of capitalism but thats a different matter.
>other than at a value dictated by the guild master (uber, doordash, amazon)
As mentioned earlier: uber, doordash, amazon (mechanical turk) etc. connect supply side and demand side and integrate a myriad of information services to do so. They do not, primarily, organize how the actual providers of the 'downstream service' do the work to provide their service. Nor do they dictate how many workers are allowed to offer their work via the platform. They provide an interface via which users interact.

>>2806444
>How does a gig worker sieze the means of production if the means of production is an electronic app?
Build another one. I read about a city in North America running an Uber alternative, but I forgot which one.

Isn't it kinda funny that the guys who went out and made actual experimental societies in the real world are the utopian socialists, and the guys who sat around in libraries speculating about future society are the scientific socialists.

>>2807535
Idiotic idealist nonsense from someone with 0 understanding of history

those people in libraries used that knowledge to organize those reading groups into revolutionary vanguards that were able to mobilize a militant working class by participating within the struggle and establishing solidarity instead of petite bourgeoisie dream of dropping out of the struggle and being a collective of property owners that support each other but have no incentive to actually participate in the liberation of the working class as a whole and who inevitably die out or get crushed

>>2807540
>Utopian socialists were actually counter-revolutionary opportunists
You know nothing. Robert Owen spent his life in the annals of power trying to establish a global revolution based in his model of a new society.

>>2807545
0 comprehension you dont think maybe the entire reason that it didnt work at all is because when people drop out of society it removes them from struggle

>>2807548
Owen frequently petitioned the British government to enact his reforms and even gave a cost analysis of the materials needed. He was not attempting to remove himself from society, but to prove the efficacy of a new way of society to exist by; what he called the "rational system" of society.
>the reason it didnt work
Why didn't Europe become communist?
Because Marx was a petit-bourgeois opportunist?

>>2807569
except half of europe was

>>2807584
>It was
Why isn't it anymore?

>>2807591
stalinism

>>2807169
Thank you for the consise response.

>>2807737
>>2807686
You must be over 18 to use this website.

>>2806521
They did, but it's an apples/oranges comparison. Guild members weren't proletarians, but typically self-employed artisans, or even members of the nascent pre-industrial bourgeoisie. They owned their own means of production, employed workers (typically apprentices), and sold commodities for a living. Marx specifically cites them as the precursors of the industrial bourgeoisie as a class.