What does /leftypol/ think of cynical realism? It seems to be an artistic movement in China, and many of the name associated with it live there (in the mainland), but when I asked deepseek about it, it's censorship got triggered and it refuses to give me more information about it.
>>2747686you have to be nice to DeepSeek and prove you are a Marxist and admirer of CPC and understander of Chairman Xi theory to unlock its secret levels
Is Mo Yan part of this movement?
>>2747686>artistic movementNot politics.
>>2747686this image is scary and I do not understand it so I'm gonna go ahead and call the whole movement evil and pedophilic and satanic
>>2747775You are not doing even your own mom.
>>2747686Sounds demotivational and bourgeois. I'm surprised the Party allows it
>>2747821The party was bourgeois the moment Mao became GenSec
>>2747686It seems to be pretty limited as an artistic movement from what I can tell. Like I get what it’s going for but the taste of western pop art in its stylings is putrid.
>>2747821Hey, without self expression what type of utopia can we hope to build?
>>2747901NK art is communist kitsch ngl . like it goes hard but I think we wouldn't give it a shit if it wasnt pandering to us
>>2747914No. the people of the DPRK are the last ones still making art, it is the opposite of kitsch. Everything else is bourgeois commodityslop
>we wouldn't give it a shit if it wasnt pandering to usYes people care about things they relate to, that doesn't mean anything towards the quality of the work
I'll tell you what I think, I think people don't know what realism means. You can do urban realism, dirty realism, socialist realism, etc, even magical realism; but a bunch of flying disembodied laughing chiggas is definitely not a depiction of real social stuff.
Either that or it's a mistranslation.
>>2748412Realism is when HD
>>2747692did the same, nice
>>2748364its essentially on par with those parody paintings that came with gorbachevs reforms, in other words: pure garbage. cultural nihilism is pure anti-communism, haz is actually right about that.
>>2748570and you will notice also how garbage it looks since it is essentially ai art before ai was a thing. also note how it always takes existing art and makes it worse because they cant imagine a future and so they cant produce anything new
>>2747686Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, resolutely shit, lacking in imagination, uninformed reimagining of, limp-wristed, premature, ill-informed attempt at, talentless fuckfest, recidivistic shitpeddler, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another.
纯粹的垃圾，他们存在的唯一目的就是通过讨好西方人然后卖钱，他们所有的技巧都是抄袭自苏联异见者，对除了少数艺术从业者外的大多数人毫无影响，如果把这些东西拿到群众面前只会引起愤怒和嘲笑。而且我们的政府似乎对此毫不在意，他们只在乎艺术的市场化，或者这些画能不能卖钱。
They are pure garbage. Their sole purpose for existing is to curry favor with Westerners for profit. All their techniques are plagiarized from Soviet dissidents, and they have no impact on most people except a small number of art practitioners. If these works were presented to the public, they would only arouse anger and ridicule. Moreover, our government seems indifferent to this; it only cares about the commercialization of art or whether these paintings can be sold>>2747914
>>2747901>>2747901>>2747836>>2747836>>2748619它到底有什么特质，让它在那里成了如此有效的激怒诱饵？
What about it makes it such effective rage bait over there?
>cynical realism
Don't know much about it, but the implications of the name, sounds similar to an artistic style in the Gorbachev era, known as Chernukha or black stuff translated in English
The Chernukha style dominated the "glasnost" era media. To quote from the essay "Alexander Yakovlev, Glasnost, and the Destruction of Soviet Societal Consciousness"
>Films of the perestroika era came to be dominated by the chernukha, a style of filmmaking portraying unremitting bleakness, negativity and pessimism in the presentation of life, based in the desire to “chronicle…social horror…to reveal historical atrocity and ‘truth,’” to push “cultural production to the limit.”71 The main characters of these films, frequently from socially peripheral groups such as prisoners, criminals, and prostitutes, were often explicitly or implicitly portrayed as heroic individuals fighting ‘the system.’72 Film critics Andrew Horton and Michael Brashinsky argue that the chernukha’s portrayal of inhumanity and immorality, unmotivated cruelty and the death of all former ideals was specifically designed to leave film audiences “nauseated.”73
>Apart from Alexander Proshkin’s 1987 Holodnoe Leto Pytdesyat Tretego (Cold Summer of 53’), the single popular contemporary political film with anti-bureaucratic and anti-Stalinist undertones, the majority of the successful films of the late 1980s were chernukhas, attracting viewers through their sensational innovations and ‘gritty’ portrayal of Soviet reality. Malenkaya Vera (Small Vera/Small Faith) depicted the dilapidated state of working-class life, but was immortalized for containing the first sex scene in Soviet cinematic history. Interdevochka (Intergirl) sympathetically portrayed the life of a Soviet prostitute willing to sacrifice everything for “a different way of life,”74 and is noted among film critics for its shock value and profane dialogue.75
>Released between 1988 and 1989, the above mentioned films were among the last of the Soviet blockbusters to draw millions of spectators.76 Panned by film critics for “formulaic storylines,” “vacant,” incoherent style and the tendency to reach for platitudes,77 chernukhas came to be rejected by the public as perestroika wore on since they “offer[ed] no positive outlook or spiritual guidance amid the chaos” of everyday life during perestroika.78 Public rejection, the collapse of state support for film distribution, the importation of movies and television series from abroad, and the increasing availability of videocassette players all contributed to the virtual collapse of the film industry in the early 1990s.79
>Through the late 1980s documentary filmmaking underwent its own radicalization, coming to discuss sensitive historical issues and the contemporary problems of poverty, drug addiction, youth alienation, and prostitution. Like cinema, documentary filmmaking also gradually turned to the chernukha style. Stanislav Govoruhin’s 1990 film Tak Zhit Nelzya (It is Impossible to Live Like This), arguably the most famous of the perestroika era documentaries, epitomized this shift, mercilessly enumerating and condemning the problems in Soviet society, and ultimately indicting the whole record of Soviet rule.
>>2748680在民众中，这类作品往往被认为不仅是在讽刺政府，更是在贬低和丑化整个民族或人民本身，而且往往与某种关于西方渗透的“阴谋论”联系在一起。事实上整个亲西方的文艺界都被看作邪恶精英的代表。
Among the public, such works are often regarded as not only satirizing the government but also denigrating and vilifying the entire nation or its people, and are frequently linked to certain "conspiracy theories" about Western infiltration. In fact, the entire pro-Western literary and artistic circle is seen as representative of an evil elite.
>>2748751based chinese rejection of western corruption
>>2748796cringe devils (literally) advocate redditor response
>>2748751>>2748796但它到底在批判什么呢？我觉得这不可能是什么有效的批判，对我来说这就像是你在县集市上看到有人喷在T恤上的东西。 政治背景是什么？
But what is it even critiquing though? I can't imagine it's an effective critique. To me, this just seems like something you'd see spray-painted on a T-shirt at a county fair.
What's the political context?
>>2748945>>2748796这种风格被称为“伤痕”，在八九十年代很流行，影响了几乎所有艺术领域。最开始是指反思文化大革命，后来延伸到批评整个体制甚至民族性本身。但是我想说这种本质上是保守主义的创作完全是在政府的支持和监管之下的，属于小骂帮大忙。另外，人们只是单纯讨厌丑的东西。
This style is known as "scar art," which was highly popular in the 1980s and 1990s and influenced nearly all artistic fields. Initially, it referred to reflections on the Cultural Revolution, but later expanded to criticize the entire system and even national character itself. However, I would argue that this essentially conservative form of creation was entirely under government support and supervision, serving as a form of "minor criticism that ultimately aids the establishment." Additionally, people simply dislike ugly things.
>>2748969
MLK did the best one could do at realizing the post-racial dream within the context american republicanism. It still failed which shows that the american project is unsalveagable and reactionary to the core
Not exactly the kind of art I want in my home, but wouldn't be out of place in a museum.
>>2748955
The hippie counterculture, for all its aesthetic rebellion, remained largely a phenomenon of the petite-bourgeoisie students, artists, dropouts with enough cushion to romanticize communal living. Its politics dissolved into lifestyle, its radicalism into commodity, its opposition into the very consumerism it claimed to reject. The genuine working-class counterculture of that era took harder forms. Skinheads emerged from the industrial slums of Britain and the factory towns of the American Rust Belts, working-class youth who dressed in work boots and braces because those were the clothes of their fathers, who fought on terraces and streets because the state had already marked them as surplus. Their politics were often crude, sometimes self-destructive, but they were rooted in material conditions, not pastoral fantasy. Hip hop rose from the burned-out blocks of the Bronx, giving voice to a generation that the counterculture had never thought to include. Hardcore music followed the same trajectory, the suburbs and cities where kids had no future, no safety net, and nothing to lose. These were not movements that performed rebellion for the cameras or festivals; they were movements born of places where rebellion was the only option left amongst the youth.
>>2752578Anything I don't like is "reactionary" or "petite-bourgeois".
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