the cuban flotilla is being run by the PSL but they aren't using the PSL to push the flotilla because everyone with half a brain knows by now that the PSL has a history of sexually assaulting cadre across multiple branches, so they are using other orgs they run like code pink to do the promotion and optics of the flotilla
the flotilla, much like the PSL and the rest of these astroturfing organizations like Veterans for Peace or Code Pink are funded primarily by this billionaire:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Roy_SinghamI would be highly suspect of any content creator or activist who joins the flotilla. The PSL is one of the biggest obstacles for a revolutionary American left to overcome.
We should sabotage and wreck the flotilla, the strengthening of PSL is more damaging than the aid to revisionist Cuba anyway.
>>2747996Any nice resturants you reccomend in Quantico?
How's the weather in Langley?
The billionaire's wife runs Code Pink lol
totally inorganic, non-grass roots org with no ties to the american working class
>>2748097Literally this. I'm not American and this is the first time I've read about this guy but he sounds BASED as fuck, of course I don't know what his ideology is specifically but to be honest I'll take 1 millionaire of a socialist branch I don't like over 50 unorganized common guys that agree 100% with me.
>the biggest obstacle to a revolutionary movement in the US is a the PSL
your retarded
>The PSL is one of the biggest obstacles for a revolutionary American left to overcome.
Bro wtf has to happen to your brain to say some shit ironically jfc. There's the alphabet soup, the surveillance apparatus, the world's most advanced propaganda system, the Democratic party eating radicalism and shitting our liberalism, armed right wing psychos, etc etc. But okay, some functionally irrelevant socialist party is "one of the biggest obstacles" to overcome. The absolute state of this place. People just say whatever.
Source on PSL cadres being sex pests?
>>2748081you say that as if this board has ever praised anything that was "grass roots", it's immediatly accusation of them being petit bouj or if somehow there is nuance,of false consciousness
>>2748208The only true socialist tendency on this board with actual commited ideologues, is Crackhead Communism.
>>2748196controlled opposition is still opposition!!
do not think about why they are controlled opposition or what the non-controlled opposition loses by dealing with the controlled opposition
I hope the people handwringing about PSL's billionaire connections never find out about Engels and how he became so intimately familiar with factory conditions during his time.
Singham publically praises Trotskyism, I.e. the program that says that capitalism hasn't developed or changed since the 1930's. This is your PSL, a do nothing joke party. Cool that they are dropping off some solar panels and medicine I guess but it's a long way from bringing Cuban medicine to American lung cancer victims.
Where's Bob Avakian?
No the flotilla is run by The Progressive International you yankeebrained dumbcunt not everything is about random sects in your fetid crackkker entity.
>>2747991You should be highly suspicious of any "content creators" because they're all egotestical pedophiles.
Nonetheless, in that case, even if it's a PR stunt, they help the people of Cuba a bit, there is worse in the world. Can't think the activists who join it are bad people, probably just want to help
>>2747991OP is a glowuyghur.
>>2748500Amerikans always make the siege of cubans about themselves. Cpusa was doing this when they said cuba has life saving treatments that amerikans can use. Cuba has cure to diabetes
https://www.cpusa.org/article/lifting-blockade-on-cuba-will-bring-life-saving-treatments-to-u-s-shores/ I follow China’s policy of doing nothing and winning. I’m spreading socialism by not joining a union, voting, organizing, spreading socialist ideas. So do nothing and socialism will win by its own ontological momentum and epistemological inevitability.
Dude some of these people literally just flew a plane, stayed at a resort and then left.
10/10 internationalism bought and paid for by a billionaire
What's interesting about this is that it revealed how many people I follow are actually ops, or controlled opposition. Anyone who is sponsored by and paid for by the PSL is no ally.
>Content creators partake in charity and give money to Cubans and spread the good word about American cruelty
<This is le bad
Either this the CIA or some Anti-revisionists are fucking stupid
>>2754724More than you did today
>>2748081the bolsheviks got lots of funding from russian billionaire class traitors early on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savva_Morozov I don't know, man. I just, I feel like this reorients my perspectives on the left as a whole in the U.S., because it just dawned on me that every fucking one of these political influencers or spokespeople, if you will, who, in my mind, I thought were organically produced people who, you know, organically rose through the algorithm and organically connected with the masses, are actually paid and funded by this Roy Neville Singham guy, and they're all PSL members. But this fucking PSL group is so dishonest that they do not fucking disclose this shit. They don't disclose who their members are. They don't fucking, like, I don't get it. Like, they don't want you to know that Chris Smalls is a PSL member, but they definitely want Chris Smalls to go do PSL shit for them. They don't want you to know that the reason that these people are able to do this sort of professional revolutionary work isn't because they're getting donations from, you know, possibly even hundreds of working class people to go pursue that. It's because there's some Chinese, you know, billionaire funding them. And it just shows how weak the left is, in my opinion, because nothing here is grassroots. Nothing is built from the masses by the masses. It's all transplanted in by billionaires who live in other countries. The fucking leader of Code Pink is literally married to this guy. They've got dozens upon dozens of accusations of sexual assault by leadership. And they're a controlled opposition, and every fucking leftist that I know that I follow is funded by them. Yeah, they are. The PSL is a big fucking issue that we have to overcome if we're gonna actually win, because you can't win a revolution or a movement if it's not grassroots. It's not actually funded by the masses. If people don't want it, you can't force them to take it because you have billions of dollars. Otherwise, we're no different than capitalists.
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I wonder how many of these people realize the billionaires funding this have funded multitudes of liberal activist NGOs aligned with the DNC, they're so clearly all intelligence backed, counter insurgency'd up organizations. The PSL is literally a rebranding of the liberal NGO, with roots in the ANSWER COLIATIONs methodology.
From a realistic perspective, having a grassroots movement of working-class people in America arrive at the conclusion of socialism is simply not a possibility. The American people are too reactionary and too imperialist. It's simple. The average American supports these wars and supports the bloodletting of children in the global South. Ergo, only a secretive, tightly controlled vanguard party, which is funded from without, i.e. not by those same imperialists, can truly bring about revolution. The American people really don't have much of a reason or to care about revolution, nor would they support it. So we have to go through other means. Or at least that's the logic I'm assuming that the PSL supporters believe in.
>>2747991>they aren't using the PSL to push the flotilla because everyone with half a brain knows by now that the PSL has a history of sexually assaulting cadreAs former PSL, I think you're missing the mark. Those sexual misconduct allegations are 100% true for the record, and the organization is rife with male chauvinism. That being said, that's not why PSL is laying low about their involvement. Internally PSL couldn't care less about the allegations against them. Rather, PSL follows standard Marcyist (quasi-trotskyist) practice in believing that elevating the consciousness of the masses is secondary to "doing something". This means essentially mirroring (and oftentimes taking part in) the liberal nonprofit industrial complex, but it's super duper different because they
sometimes admit
some of their politics upfront. If you want an example of this in their public writings, look at their book "Socialist Reconstruction", which actively minimizes the question of revolution in favor of openly idealist fanfiction depicting a "United Socialist States of America". It hardly needs to be said that this is tailism and opportunism. It reflects a basic fear of the masses and their propensity to reject Revolutionary Communist politics in the US, and its practical demands. Rather than grapple with
why people (particularly whites) in the US embrace fascism and social-fascism over Communism, they prefer to minimize politics in favor of empty "militancy" and economism. Again, quasi-trotskyism.
>I would be highly suspect of any content creator or activist who joins the flotilla.I don't think it's worth making much of a fuss over if I'm being honest. The flotilla is ultimately a performative gesture of "doing something". I think PSL should be critiqued for minimizing the need for revolution as they campaign to defend a country they consider socialist, a patently absurd practice but not one that's anything new for them, and "content creators" deserve the wall regardless of their involvement with PSL anyways. Nothing about the flotilla or joining it is actually producing any long term changes to how Revolutionary Communists should relate to revisionist and liberal forces in the US. So like, don't waste your breath. Focus on the ongoing struggles that actually matter.
>The PSL is one of the biggest obstacles for a revolutionary American left to overcome.Sure, but it's a little bizarre to place the flotilla at the forefront of that. PSL needs to be struggled against for a litany of reasons, the flotilla is a comparatively obscure hill to die on.
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