This book sucked. It's basically just whataboutism, non sequitur arguments and intellectual wankery (e.g. namedropping Hegel over and over again). It actually made me think that maybe there's a reason Stalin was demonized by post-Stalin USSR and

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Anonymous 24-03-26 01:25:00 No.2752614

This book sucked. It's basically just whataboutism, non sequitur arguments and intellectual wankery (e.g. namedropping Hegel over and over again). It actually made me think that maybe there's a reason Stalin was demonized by post-Stalin USSR and that maybe Trostky was right. Idk why leftists recommend this book so much, it's embarrassing.

Anonymous 24-03-26 02:01:04 No.2752654

Having historical context is heckin whataboutism (the favorite word of the hypocrite).

Anonymous 24-03-26 12:52:12 No.2752917

How about "Liberalism: A Counter-History"? Sounds cool but I dunno.

Anonymous 24-03-26 12:53:00 No.2752918

>average ML when he reads his libtard theory

Anonymous 24-03-26 13:25:58 No.2752961

>>2752917
History and critique of a legendary BBC

S 24-03-26 13:29:45 No.2752968

What's the book about and is it liberal or not? I always hear it recommended but honestly all the 'ML' pop history books that are recommended aren't very useful.

Anonymous 24-03-26 13:36:08 No.2752979

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>>2752968
>is Domenico Losurdo liberal
no. absolutely not.

Anonymous 24-03-26 13:38:10 No.2752982

I don't remember this book exactly, but didn't it talk about how the perception of Stalin changed over time? Was it even that much of a defense?

Anonymous 24-03-26 13:39:34 No.2752986

>>2752982
Anything not bashing the guy is seen as a defense by libs

Anonymous 24-03-26 20:45:46 No.2753521

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>>2752614
>It's basically just whataboutism
can anyone tell me what is actually wrong about whataboutism? it's just comparing things? that's what you are supposed to do?? how else would we get to understand some difference?
btw i know you didn't actually read the book

Anonymous 24-03-26 20:50:00 No.2753531

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>>2753521
It's USian cope for when they were faced with pic rel

Anonymous 24-03-26 20:50:56 No.2753532

>>2752614
>whataboutism
retarded amerikkkikkke term to justify lynching uyghurs

Anonymous 25-03-26 13:48:54 No.2754353

>>2752614
>>2752968
https://mronline.org/2022/08/19/a-unity-of-opposites-the-dengist-and-the-red-guard/
Losurdo's work is defending a kind of non-Marxist, non-liberal developmental state. It's why he defends Stalin and later Chinese leaders like Deng and Xi, but disparages Mao for being 'utopian' and mobilizing the masses.

Anonymous 25-03-26 17:38:55 No.2754594

>>2752614
If you'd like, you can read "Another View of Stalin" by Ludo Martens using this link:
https://stalinsocietypk.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/another-view-of-stalin1.pdf

Or Grover Furr's "Stalin Waiting For… The Truth!", "Khrushchev Lied", "Blood Lies: The Evidence that Every Accusation Against Joseph Stalin…in Timothy Snyder's Bloodlands is False", among other books I can remember.

There's also "Fraud, Famine and Fascism" by Douglas Tottle if you want to debunk more myths used about the Soviet Union by liberals.

Anonymous 25-03-26 17:54:38 No.2754607

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>>2753521
Liberalism is the practice of thought termination
"Whataboutism", " not all x", "listen to x voices" are all habitual thought terminators. It's the liberal saying "cease thinking, NOW"

"USSR was evil" - as compared to what? Without comparison, you're left with ontological, abstract evil.
"not all men" - refusal to categorize, to classify, to move from the particular to the universal,, which hegel called the beginning of thinking.
"Listen to iranian voices" - upholding pure subjectivity and particular essentialism. Essentially heideggerian

A dialectician *continues* to think, moving up and down from particular to universal back to particular

Anonymous 26-03-26 00:46:01 No.2755168

>>2754353
>Rejects Marx, Lenin and Mao but embraces Stalin, Deng and Xi
>Rejects mass movements as utopian and focuses on developmentalism and Nation building
Woah so he's the average leftypoler/multipolaroids/nu-ML

Anonymous 26-03-26 00:47:20 No.2755170

>>2752986
Anything but deepthroating of Stalin's balls is as an offense by MLs (red libs)

S 26-03-26 01:02:12 No.2755183

>>2754353
This article has convinced me not to read the book. If he actually believed this he is not a Marxist but a pure liberal of the Duginist variety. DEATH TO THE FOLLOWERS OF DENG XIAOPING AND ANYONE WHO DENIES THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE TO BUILD SOCIALISM!

Anonymous 26-03-26 01:04:58 No.2755186

>>2755170
case and point

Anonymous 26-03-26 01:07:35 No.2755187

>>2755183
Rare Maotist W.
Losurdo, Furr and Dugin are all favorites of MIGAcoms/multipolaroids/nu-MLs precisely because they speak to their crypto-fascist and revanchist mindset.

Anonymous 26-03-26 01:07:59 No.2755189

>>2755186
Ditto

Anonymous 26-03-26 01:14:09 No.2755190

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>>2754353
Stalinism, it's like being an average social democrat with extra steps.

Anonymous 26-03-26 01:17:19 No.2755193

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>>2755189

Anonymous 26-03-26 12:36:47 No.2755487

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>>2753521
You've never read Marx in your life

Anonymous 26-03-26 13:14:58 No.2755514

>>2755487
>on the final victory of socialism
Whoever made this stupid picture hasn't read that letter beyond the title, because in it he literally argues with someone who said that the final victory of socialism has been achieved, and says it is only possible on an international scale
>commodity production under socialism
Wow, Stalin after 30 years of building socialism in practice and reflecting on that practical experience has corrected Stalin the 26 year old theoretician. MLism destroyed

Anonymous 26-03-26 13:47:08 No.2755543

>>2755487
>hasn't read on the final victory of socialism and gets all of their info from r/ultraleft memes
lmfao pot meet kettle

Anonymous 26-03-26 14:05:12 No.2755555

>>2752614
>whataboutism
Preddit amerikkkan term

PickMe 26-03-26 14:21:49 No.2755567

>>2755555
quints of truth
i am american and do not say that term, please spare me for being one 'o' da good ones

Anonymous 26-03-26 14:24:50 No.2755572

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>>2752614
wanna know about Stalin?
Read Stalin instead. He won't namedrop Hegel or philosophy, he will explain why Leninism (having Marx as background reference). You will understand why he's the first and best Leninist.

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