I legitimately do not understand why people believe he was wrong. Look at Jewish people and how specialized into getting better at academia or India with how certain groups become natural fishermen. Lysenkoism feels like it's striking a cord between Stirnerite individualism and collectivism and it legitimately sounds cooler than Darwin's lame "one will breed more than the other and the species will survive". Darwin's system doesn't explain suicide for example.
>>2753058It's common sense
>>2753053your entire question is malformed, loaded, rooted in misunderstandings both of """"Darwinism""""" and """""Lysenkoism""""" since contemporary evolutionary biology is neither of those things but incorporates aspects of both.
Epigenetics shows lysenko was perhaps not as wrong as previously thought
>>2753063You haven't explained what you meant.
>>2753065both inherited traits and acquired traits have strong evidence, and the "Darwinism vs. Lysenkoism" debate is a false dichotomy that presupposes it is only one or the other.
>>2753066But that means both are wrong. Lysenko wasn't wrong about species not existing, for example, try explaining the difference between a human and a neanderthal? Meanwhile other animals have more wide differences while humans and apes have it a lot more specialized.
>>2753084Why did that creature go extinct?
>>2753084yeah but thats why suicide is uncommon
suicidal people can't reproduce to get better at suicide
>>2753257If they can’t constantly chew on something they’ll die just like beavers
>>2753053he wasnt, lysenko is closer to darwin than his opposition
>>2753070>Lysenko wasn't wrong about species not existingmore of an issue with typology generally. its a kind of static positivism that excludes dialectics. binomial nomenclature and taxonomy is just especially egregious and essentially just a fancy refiguring of the christian great chain of being. phylogenetics is currently pretty much overturning it but for the moment it still clings to relevance though sheer magnitude
>>2753450a fish cannot procreate with a man, therefore they are different species, or kinds. no nonsense involved.
>>2753463but fish can procreate with fish, and different species of fish can interbreed, and in some places different genus of fish can, and even with different chromosome sets, and in plants even completely different families can cross with entirely different chromosomes and sometime widely different anatomy. and then cultivars and varieties vs species. it is entirely arbitrary and nonsensical and coming from hard science like chemistry makes biology look like a fucking childrens game a or a joke.
>>2753477>its arbitraryno it isnt
a man cannot procreate with a fish
that is a hard line to distinguish natural types
>>2753480>a man cannot procreate with a fishbut thats not the definition of a species, thats a broad example that is arbitrary and not a hard line at all
phylogentically people can reproduce with fish because people are fish
>>2753070species is a theoretical framework that is useful for explaining some things, but is not universally useful. obviously evolution is real, and obviously speciation occurs when two related species can no longer interbreed…. except for the numerous exceptions where they can.
>>2753279a good post that isn't bait. let's ignore it!
I am once again reminding you that Lysenkoism is literally magical thinking, literally idealism. In order for an organism to acquire a new trait suited to new conditions, the mechanism of mutation would need to have foreknowledge of what kind of biological change would produce what functions, and which functions would be suited to the environment. It's even more built on magical thinking than creationism, which only requires divine intervention at the beginning of life, not all the time forever.
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>>2753559>people are fishTRUKE
Shut up about science, science is why everything sucks, nothing evolved, nothing ever happened, and if it did, it’s not your business, stop poking around with the “nature of reality” and whatnot, you can’t know it and every time you try you make life worse.
this thread reminds me that there are genuine stupid people on this board
>>2753811if you're only just now realizing this I've got some bad new
you're one of them >>2753824>now<remindsanon i said it reminds me. IT REMINDS Me, aka i KNEW ALREADY
>>2753824>>2753827IN OTHER WORDS, U SIR CANT READ. AND THEREFORE YOU ARE STTTTUUUPPPPIIIIDDD
>>2753909Most people who defend Lysenko don't actually care about the science. They just want to defend the soviet union against any accusations of wrong doing and end up digging their heels in on the dumbest issues.
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