Why does trotsky cause so much seethe among ml's?
Is it because history has proven him completely right with the ussr collapsing?
he dropped truth nukes sometimes for sure but he was overall too schizo and represented a right deviation, he was at his best when lenin tard wrangled him
well he thought stalin was going to collapse the country with his 5 year plan and it didn't happen, so he was wrong on that
>>2755272Based video and trvke
>>2755323Dude saw the horrors of fascism before everyone else while Stalin was making pacts with nazi germany
>>2760553the frontlines may have been a bit better if st*lin didn't purge military high command because he was a schizo
>>2760715the military purges actually were needed and good, without it, deviationist factions would coup stalin.
>>2760717should have just allowed for open factionalism and peaceful, regular transition of power instead of murdering all opposition and creating a weird bureaucratic thermidor whose leaders only change through death or coup
>>2760733>should havevoluntarism
You can't convince me that the murder of Bukharin was good. Stalin apologists are the worse.
>>2760733>should have just allowed for open factionalismSo called inheritors of Lenin's will
>>2760794Good? Maybe not. Murder? No. That uygha was 100% guilty.
>>2760800I'm not basing that position off of lenin but off of the historical results of the ban on factionalism
>>2760802
>Stalinoids are so retarded they will literally try to argue that loyalists who fought for the Bolsheviks during the Civil War, when there was a high chance of failure, and when treachery would be rewarded extensively by the Western nations, would seek to betray the USSR almost 20 years later because…THEY JUST WOULD OK?????
>>2760811He disagreed with my heckin daddy ok that's basically high treason and uhhh wrecker or something
>>2760826
>his desires to enslave the USSR to Anglo-Japanese finance capital
BUKHARIN DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SPEAK OR WRITE IN ENGLISH OR JAPANESE YOU FUCKING RETARD.
HOW THE FUCK DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT AND STILL SOMEHOW BELIEVE IN THE BULLSHIT STALINOIDS PUT OUT?
KILL YOURSELF STALINOID MORON
>>2760826
His only crime was upholding Marxism in a social-democratic government
>>2755271It's mostly an artifact of Trotsky's own behavior towards the USSR and Stalin and the fact that his retarded followers are still continuing his dumb "lets never win" ideology almost a 100 years after the dude got ousted from the party for being annoying.
Im sorry guys, Im so so sorry. But being a trotskyist is just a signal that you've swallowed the western anticommunist pill hard, as evidenced by dumb memebrained morons like
>>2760440>>2760715>>2760733>>2760811Basically indistinguishable from anarchists, leftcoms, etc. Some are alright I guess, but the majority don't want communism
>>2760933>let's never winBy being the a socialist country sorrounded by capitalists states? God stalinoids are so dumb.
>>2760933this is only sometimes true. i do fear a lot of them are too idealistic to ever build a large workers party and successfully launch a revolution, but this is certainly less true than in the case of anarchists and leftcoms
>>2761115>hard dick bronsteinsomeone post the letter to his wife
>>2761123everyone ages. civil war trotsky had the hardest dick around
Trotskyists and stalinists are functionally the same nowadays, just ultraleft sects of academics reminiscing about history, they seethe about one another because they teamsport opposite traditions of dead generations. For all the flak leftcoms and anarchists (not that some don't do that too) get, I at least saw them take charge during working class movements instead of sloganizing impotently in newspapers and spending all their energy running in bourgeois elections like headless chickens
>>2761132well because they are doing different things. leninists are trying to build a mass party
>>2761133welcome to socdempol
Comrade Trotsky was the best among the Bolsheviks after Lenin
>>2761104Yeah dog they shoulda just decided not to be surrounded lol
>>2761299indeed, they should've started a permanent revolution.
>>2761306>They shoulda just done this thing my guy made updeclaring war on the world is retarded sorry man, this isn't hoi4
He was a bitch ass bum who most likely worked with the fascist collaborating tukachevsky, goo's fucking riddance that he got assassinated.
>>2761276Never say such blasphemous things. Stalin was 100000% right to kill him
Trostky is like Bad Empanada: a very brash and annoying dude who talks too much but occasionally drops TRVKES. Stalinoids seethe because Trostky refused to cuck to him.
>>2761618Like who bukharin? Zinoviev? Kamenev? Tukachevsky? All of them were traitors. The USSR developed and thrived after the 5 year plans, it went to shit the revisionist that came after stalin like with kruschev.
>>2761620"refused to cuck to him", motherfucker was too egotistical for his own good, even the trotskyists that self criticized still followed him but luckily they were wiped out during moscow trials
>>2761660>All of them were traitorsbecause your God said so?
>>2755271>Why does trotsky cause so much seetheIts like how after Jesus was killed his followers became world-historic cringe, except Trotsky was already world-historic cringe so Trotskyists are double bad
>>2761713dude stop being insufferable.
You know what he meant. And you and i both know that trotsky would be a brain injured streamer too if he lived right now
>>2761618if we accept that stalin was right then that means like 50-70 percent of multiple parts of the soviet gov deserved to be purged. And thats just insane to me
>>2755272WTF I love Trotsky now.
>>2760553"Trotsky would have done the same thing"
Do you have any evidence for this whatsoever? From Trotsky's writings, it's pretty clear he wouldn't have wasted time "rebuilding" the USSR after the civil war, and instead would have moved the army and therefore the revolution south.
Germany being invaded in the 20s would have nipped nazism in the bud.
>>2760933M-Ls resorting to ad hominem as per usual, since they don't have any substantive arguments against Trotskyism.
>>2755271Because trotskyists are moral opportunists who have never managed to accomplish anything politically. Trotsky initially had indeed some good points : it was true that the USSR was degenerating, that it had mostly kept the revolution within its borders, and that it was dogmatic etc.
However, by the 1950s, why did this dogmatic position still survive ? It doesn't make sense to argue against Stalinism in the late 1950s and onwards when by then most marxist-leninists had rejected it, with only a minority of them calling themselves anti-revisionnists.
So why is there still at least 4 trostkyist parties in practically every country that exists ? It just doesn't make sense for them to exist in the 21st century. The only valid reason is that it's mostly larp, exactly as how anti-revisionnists also larp as if it were the early 1950s.
As for ideas specific to Trotsky, permanent revolution is frankly not a good concept because any revolution is going to be determined by the local conditions by which it takes place, and it shouldn't apply to arbitrary criterias of universality. Beyond that, the man himself was not exactly a saint and super democratic, in contrast to how his supporters usually paint him (i.e. Kronstadt rebellion)
>>2762040>germany invaded in the 20'sSure if you wanna get raped by western europe
Lenin didn’t like any of the bolsheviks btw
>>2760826
How dogshit is your regime that it faces existential threats from “pencil pushers” in the schizophrenic hitlerite ML view of the world?
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