/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

liberal zionist psy op. you just want to go back to brunch and get treats while kamala bombs real proles quietly and politely for you.

This didn’t need another thread, just more evidence of Amerikkkan narcissism. Your protests and organizations are what the system wants out of you, your anarcho maoists are feds along with the NGOs, there’s not a single proletarian in the US.

>>Vanguard Leadership and the Correct Line

The apparent schism between these methodological tendencies must be understood not as an equivalence of competing approaches, but as the manifestation of a correct line struggling to establish its hegemony over a still-developing movement. The Marxist-Leninist-Maoist and anarchist emphasis on confrontation, tactical escalation, and the forcing of revolutionary conditions represents the scientifically superior orientation, one that recognizes the irreconcilable antagonism between proletarian and bourgeois interests, and rejects the illusion that systemic transformation can be achieved through the gradual accumulation of liberal sympathies.

>>The Necessity of Vanguard Formation

Yet the recognition of this correct line does not negate the material reality of the variegated social base from which the movement draws its forces. The proletariat or lumpen, the precarious service worker, the indebted student, the undocumented laborer each faces distinct regimes of surveillance, repression, and economic vulnerability that constrain their immediate capacity for sustained high-intensity conflict. To abandon these elements to their own immaturity, or to denounce their present limitations as irredeemable, would constitute a sectarian error, a failure to exercise the very vanguard function that the MLM and anarchist formations claim to perform in militant street politics.

The task, then, is not to dissolve the correct line into a pluralistic tolerance of all methods, but to establish the hegemony of the advanced over the intermediate and backward elements through practices of solidarity, defense, and strategic articulation. The MLM and anarchist cadres must function as the vanguard, the leading force that determines the strategic direction of the movement, while simultaneously serving as its defenders, creating the conditions under which those of differing temperaments and risk-tolerances can be drawn up into revolutionary praxis rather than left behind or cast aside.

>>Solidarity as Pedagogy of Conflict

This solidarity is not a passive coexistence but an active pedagogical relationship. The confrontational elements provide the leading edge, the capacity to escalate, to force contradictions into the open, to demonstrate through material practice that the existing order maintains itself through constituent violence. In doing so, they create the objective conditions for consciousness-raising that no amount of voluntary pamphleteering can achieve. But this leading function must be exercised with accountability to the base, not through command, but through the construction of trust, mutual aid, and demonstrated commitment to the physical and political defense of those who cannot yet sustain the same level of exposure.

The DSA and orthodox Marxist-Leninist formations, with their institutional resources and their access to liberal civil society, perform a necessary auxiliary function of maintaining continuity, providing infrastructure, and engaging in the war of position within existing structures. But this function must be subordinated to the strategic direction set by the militant vanguard. The agitational-propaganda apparatus serves the movement best when it operates as a transmission belt, carrying the lessons and energy generated by moments of rupture into the everyday work of organizing, rather than dampening or containing that energy in the name of respectability or gradualism.

The Defense of the Movement as a Whole
Ultimately, the MLM and anarchist formations must recognize that their own capacity for sustained militancy depends upon the breadth and resilience of the social base they seek to lead. To burn through comrades through adventurist disregard for material constraints is to undermine the vanguard itself. Conversely, to allow the movement to be captured by pacifist reformist inertia is to betray its revolutionary potential. The correct line is thus not merely a tactical preference for confrontation, but a strategic conception of leadership, one that holds firm on the necessity of rupture while developing the organizational and interpersonal practices that make such rupture generative to power and propaganda. The CIA literally does this, because all studies show what appears to be "spontaneous unrest" is actually indeed, a very powerful social force.

In this conception, solidarity is the practice of vanguard responsibility, the recognition that the temperament of the individual militant, whether predisposed to sustained organizational labor or to episodic confrontation, must be developed and defended as a resource for the revolutionary process rather than judged as a deviation from it. The movement advances not through the suppression of difference, but through the conscious direction of difference toward the common end of proletarian emancipation, with the most advanced & militant elements providing the leadership, the defense, and the correct line that alone can ensure that emancipation is won rather than indefinitely deferred.

>>2760036
You’re nothing and no one, you will be worked to death by the JDPON when they arrive on your shores along with all your lumpen friends and pretend lumpen enemies (cops)

#RuthKanda
#BrunchMala

>>2760020
It’s fascinating to see such a broad coalition forming, especially when tactical unity holds despite those deep-seated ideological cleavages. These moments of strategic convergence are historic, but as you mentioned, the real challenge lies in bridging the gap between theory and praxis.
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>>2760024
>>liberal zionist psy op. you just want to go back to brunch and get treats while kamala bombs real proles quietly and politely for you.

The Twitter-generated leftists like yourself reveal themselves as subjects of the very affective economy they purport to critique, driven by moralistic sentiment rather than strategic science, and evidently incapable of studying propaganda of the deed and the construction of material counter-hegemony. One observes with weariness the substitution of emotive posturing for the disciplined study of revolutionary warfare, particularly the specific domain of ideological struggle as theorized by Mao and practiced by those who actually seized state power.

The question poses itself with stark materialist clarity, when the bourgeoisie and its NGO auxiliaries deploy sophisticated psychological operations,manufacturing consent, channeling dissent into manageable circuits, constructing the very horizon of thinkable alternatives, what scientific basis exists for the proletarian camp to abstain from counter-propaganda? To renounce this field of struggle is to cede ideological initiative to the class enemy, to accept the terrain of the conjuncture as given rather than actively reshaping it. This is not principled abstention; it is strategic capitulation masquerading as idealogical purity.

The historical record is unambiguous. The rupture of liberal counter-insurgency architecture, their foundation-funded networks, the professionalized advocacy complex, the managed dissent apparatus, has consistently been effected not by those who engaged the enemy on their own terms of "respectable debate," but by ultra-left formations willing to wage parallel psyops, the injection of unpermissible demands, the disruption of narrative coherence, the forcing of contradictions that expose the NGO complex's structural subordination to capital. This is the correct line on ideological struggle, not to mirror the enemy's methods, but to outflank their hegemony through superior audacity and tactical surprise.

The fact that socialism now registers as a thinkable position within the American ideological field, a transformation unthinkable two decades prior owes precisely to this clandestine labor of counter psyops. Not to the affective labor of online moralism, but to the material practice of cadre who understood that consciousness does not develop spontaneously, that the breaking of liberal ideological hegemony requires active intervention in the symbolic order, and that such intervention is itself a form of class warfare no less decisive than economic or military struggle.
Your incapacity to recognize this history reflects your own class position, or your history of inaction, strictly limited to online spaces, typically petty-bourgeois, affectively invested in the performance of radicalism rather than its material execution, and consequently hostile to any operation whose success depends upon strategic deception, disciplined silence, or subordination of individual expression to collective objective. They have built no worthy psyops because they have built nothing; they are consumers of online radical aesthetics, not producers of revolutionary effects.

>>The task of the serious cadre is to absorb this lesson and proceed with the work, leaving the moralists to their eternal complaints while the terrain of struggle is transformed without their consent.

>>2760065
> driven by moralistic sentiment rather than strategic science
you want treats. you want dead workers. you are epstein. you are zionist. you are liberal.

The historical record is unambiguous, every American, Japanese, Israeli, and European, needs to die, every single one of them.

>>2760065
>This is not principled abstention; it is strategic capitulation masquerading as idealogical purity.
LLM, you just replaced the emdash with a semicolon

the no kings organisers have called for a general strike but they havent mentioned any support if you get fired.

>>2760086
Where’s the strike fund?

>>2760070
>the only alternative to the current predicament is uyghr hell
no thanks

>>2760039

Your formation, by contrast, retains the flexibility, creativity, and scientific understanding of social contradictions necessary to construct interventions that resonate, that split hostile coalitions, that render the existing order ungovernable in the realm of ideas. You can continuously try to disrupt things, but you are up against people who better understand psychological war than you. The only benefit you could potentially hold is a mass organized physical attack, and unfortunately for you, even that is not enough to stop the coming future.

>>2760088
Die honky

>>2760090
You and your cops are the same, all corrupt, all blood drinkers

>>2760087
>>wheres the strike fund

Right here.

>>2760102
Congrats, you just created four more jobs and further feed the epstein empire’s economy

>>2760063

You notice all these suits circling us in the thread, attempting to divert conversation with attack? Feds, suits, same difference. Pathetic, really. College degrees up to their eyeballs, and here I am, ninth grade education, street diploma and I'm still three moves ahead of them. Mentally and physically. They really think they're going to disrupt these conversations from happening, when their results are already playing out physically?

>>2760070
Who are you exactly?

>>2760113
Congrats, you contributed to the Dems electorally by being at their rally

>>2760107


>>You fail to grasp the structural logic. Under late-stage capitalism, productive labor has become increasingly immaterial, surplus value extracted through finance, logistics, digital mediation. The worker no longer relates directly to physical production. When dialectical materialism is applied rigorously, one arrives inevitably at this conclusion, mass urban expropriation represents not mere criminality, but a concrete form of class struggle in relation to the material conditions of the proletariat. The negation of relation to commodity is class struggle

>>The negation of the proletariat's relation to commodity, that is class struggle. When the worker cannot possess what they move, looting is the direct negation of the dispossession of the proletariat. The commodity stripped of its mystification, returned to hand, to need, to use. That relation, negated, inverted, forced into contradiction, is most definitely class struggle



Two things. First, dialectical materialism is science, not scripture. Second, the negation of the proletariat's relation to commodity, that is class struggle here, now, in these streets where no one makes anything solid, and most people are employed related to the movement of commodities. You want a one size fits all formula? There isn't one. The dialectic applies to the varying. People need to learn 2 dialectical materialism and stop repeating what they read. Instead observe how theorists come to the conclusions they reach, so you can apply them to situations where nobody from history can guide you.

>>2760126
Nazi Germany wasn’t destroyed by its own proletariat, which was impotent and collaborationist so they could get a house in polish land. It had to be destroyed from without, by the Red Army. The same will apply to Amerikkka.

>>2760116

You'll see it soon enough. Democrats, their 'base', slipping through their fingers like wet rope. People like you, who oppose liberalism, but are not willing to engage in psyops against the liberal counter-insurgency architecture are either federal agents, or emotional, chronically online people who don't know how to become a player in the world of psyops. Have you ever infiltrated a liberal NGO, and turned it's based against liberalism? Have you ever forced a liberal to display allegiances that make them lose their base? Amateur.

>>2760134
You can no more turn Amerikkkans into communists than you can turn mud into wine, the PLA will make no distinction when it smashes through the continent

>No Kings
>anti-capitalist
It's a bunch of white collar liberals and boomer pensioners who want to go back to brunch and didn't give a shite about any of the human rights abuses when a democrat was doing it a couple years ago.

>>2760132

Ah, another leftist who hasn't seriously engaged with any post ww2 anti-capitalist / Marxist theory, Not worth engaging. You'll stay stuck online, LARPing classical revolution while those in the present, act as the movers of the future.


>>2760138

I watch you all react, knee-jerk, emotional, loud. And I understand. The vanguard exists because of this. You cannot see the necessary operation beneath the liberalism, because you do not fully understand counter-insurgency, and how to unravel it. You cannot hold steady against the psychological. You need the tone set. Clarity imposed. Don't worry, comrade. Clarity, It is coming. Stand by, comrade. The tone will be set, and you can follow. The liberals will soon lose all control.

>>2760144
I’ve engaged with actually working, what it revealed is the proletariat is a reactionary class and not a revolutionary one, capitalism is an evolutionary dead end, its contradictions don’t produce socialism, it produces extinction and common ruin. Feudalism will reassert itself as climate change rapes the earth and all productive capacity is lost.

>>2760132
>>The same will apply to Amerikkka.

Implying that China wouldn't fund and boost networks that engage in militant street level tactics in Amerikkka.


>>2760149

Bro thinks the gainfully employed will be revolutionary in the west. When social conflict it appears, it'll be lumpenproles, labor reserves, and lowly uneducated workers. Possibly trade unions if their leadership shows solidarity.

>>2760155
Define gainful employment

>>2760156

That you don't get the urge to rob somebody or something when you see your pay check, or work-places that aren't dominated by ex felons, and shady blue collar types. Even if it is well paying, if it is a high risk job, it attracts or builds a certain personality. When I say gainful, I mean people who can think "man this is not too bad". lowly or bluecollar workers were always the gangster types. do you think typists in the 1900s were as ready to up the poles as coal miners? case, point. If you work in a "gangster" industry, the workers will be more likely to support getting gangster on oppressors, even if not educated.

>>2760169

basically, if the job is grueling, feels like hell, or if it is so low paying, and precarious that you feel under constant attack by capitalism, this builds individual temperaments who want to "attack oppressors", and when organized, this makes for collective temperaments that represent that broad coalition of individuals.

>>2760082
>This is not principled abstention; it is strategic capitulation masquerading as idealogical purity.

>>LLM, you just replaced the emdash with a semicolon


The Marxist A.I. project has more dialectical materialism than most leftypol users. The semicolon is included.

>>2760061
What's this liberal obsession with brunch? I had brunch once and it was alright but nothing to go crazy for.
Breakfast for dinner is much more appealing

>>2760208
Brunch is an excuse to have bloody marys and champagne in the morning

>>2760086
The problem I see is: what are their demands? Without any demands there really is no way of meaningful opposition.

>>2760232

The left coliation should hijack it, and make one demand, which is, the public redacted of every Epstein client. Even if the demand is not met, it will lead to an awakening of class consciousness, and allow the workers to see the usefulness of class jihad.

>>2760232
They're demanding Americans vote the Republicans out of office.

>>2760020
Thanks for the reportback fam
>instead, they advance a thesis of forced radicalization through confrontation, the position that liberal and petty-bourgeois elements must be compelled into direct conflict with state apparatuses, irrespective of their subjective willingness, as the necessary precondition for revolutionary consciousness.
Partially agreed. The willingness to affirm rupture with the impotency of democratic protest amongst the participants in the first two videos you showcased is clearly evident. However equally evident is the lack of preparation and tactical cohesion, and even more strikingly the lack of security culture these young protesters seem to possess. This indicates the spontaneous nature of their rupture more than it does the concerted effort of a revolutionary minority which has learned the hard-earned lessons of past struggles. That's by no means to say they can't or won't, but I think you're being a bit too confident about the current correlation of forces here.
>>2760036
Again, in a lot of ways this is a solid analysis but it comes across as far too optimistic considering how the current state of the anarchist "movement" is an embarrassing mess and you're the only MLM I've encountered who isn't an utterly laughable caricature.
Don't take this as an attempt at dissuasion. Keep up the fight..
>>2760232
>>2760277
>muh demands
Making demands from the capitalist state is a reformist dead end. Our blood can't be repaid in crumbs.

>>2760020
>first vid
The person with the pink and purple hair is a fed. You can see her directing some protestors.

>>2760228
Libs care too much about appearances. I dont need an excuse to drink in the morning, if i want to do it I will.

>>2760345
Beer right before coffee hits different, especially with eggs and fatty meats

>>2760232 (me)
>>2760331
Okay, and how shall those who refuse to make demands from the capitalist state, take what they want instead?
When there is no good strong socialist party in the US, what can we tell those in the movement open to more radical actions to do?

>>2760331
>>even more strikingly the lack of security culture these young protesters seem to possess.
>>This indicates the spontaneous nature of their rupture more than it does the concerted effort of a revolutionary minority

I will have to disagree. I know comrades who are deeply embedded in an investigative journalism collective, one that uses study, investigation, and research to protect organizers. Through them, and through my own experiences, I observed a series of very strange patterns that began emerging around 2014, though I did not yet grasp their full scope at the time. Over the years, the escalating targeting has pushed the vanguard further and deeper into the dark.

What is happening now is that after 2020, the FBI, along with a host of other federal agencies and private NGOs, immediately began investigating and covertly (and openly) but heavily disrupting three specific formations, anarchists, the pro‑Palestinian liberation left, and the Black revolutionary Maoists who serve as elders to younger organizers. They have always done this, but they ramped it up heavily in this era in response to the success of these formations acting as unit. Analysts from the GWOT determined that the major successes of these formations in modern anti‑police and prison struggles were what led to the George Floyd uprising boiling over, not spontaneity. They identified individuals who consistently flew to places like Chile, Mexico City, Greece, Belfast, Italy, all places with a very militant left (based on stories from people I cant share). The fbi even began to question a lot of individuals who they believed were trained in certain things by "kurds" due to their flights.

You had major prison strikes, anarchists in the IWW communicating with radical prisoners who organized prison riots and work stoppages, the biggest prison strike in U.S. history, and waves of city‑level anti‑police riots that grew in intensity with each occurrence. Anarchists and Maoists of this era often communicated with families of people murdered by police more directly than Democrats did, and the FBI knew this. In fact, this is how I was introduced to these politics. A friend of mine was killed by police. Liberals tried to pacify all his rowdy friends and family, but anarchists and Maoists organized outlets for them and taught them how to stay safe if they wanted to “go hard.” So what we know is this new wave of COINTELPRO was built on years of investigations from Ferguson, Baltimore, and the broader anti‑police and prison system movements. Those three groups, anarchists, the pro‑Palestinian liberation left, and the Black revolutionary Maoist elders became the primary targets. The operation began under the tail end of the Obama administration and has steadily intensified ever since.

The decentralized nature of these movements means that beyond the current active arrests and long prison sentences exhausting people, there are very dirty covert tactics at play such as fake social networks in real life (essentially gang‑stalking), rumors, varying attempts to drive individuals insane, attempts on people’s lives, covert assassinations, tampering with vehicles and personal property, costing people their jobs, manipulating relationship troubles, manipulating people into acting out of character through breaking their mental-state down, the list goes on. The decentralized nature of the movements, offering no central decapitation, means they have begun to identify leadership based on “age,” “knowledge,” and “years of experience.” The goal is not investigation but disruption of people’s lives, a modernized idea of Zersetzung / COINTELPRO. The most seasoned anarchists and Maoists are under a covert intelligence‑agency‑level war right now, and the broader left will not offer them support when they currently sit in prison, so why should anyone expect support for those suffering covert repression? This leaves the youth increasingly disconnected from those who would be sharing them the lessons learned over the years. Which is what makes sharing knowledge like this, and taking it seriously, very important.

The main issue is that the left with the most resources and legitimacy to operate in public spheres does not support the prisoners and repressed people of their own movements. Abroad, maybe in theory, but as soon as you get hard time in Amerikkka, the left forgets about you and engages in election cycles. In real revolutionary movements, they campaign hard for every single person behind enemy lines or under attack. That is the difference.

source for the term used;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung

>>2760529

I remember during my arrest in 2014ish, they tried to pin “gang member” on me. And now I’ve seen plenty of posts trying to paint “juche poster” as a gang member when we first began posting here. Funny how that label is weaponized against me by detectives in Missouri, and years later on similar folk in AZ; as if it's not isolated, but a program that exists everywhere else they need to discredit someone.

>>2760086
That's the issue with the lack of labor militancy. You need those organizations as support in case you get punished. When it's just individuals organizing freely then there's less support.

>>2760549

This is mos definitely a push in the right direction if people play the cards right. If you pay close attention, you'll notice the labor movement in America may be shifting towards their old rank and file militancy. There is always a solidarity fund for arrests at events, even within broad decentralized movements. And when a general strike is called, you can be certain there will be one. I am actively in contact with multiple trade unionists who are leftists, not liberals and all of this is already being prepared. There is a radical wing growing within the AFL‑CIO, and it is that wing that is pushing the “No Kings” coalition towards general strike. “No Kings” is not just an NGO; it is a coalition that includes labor groups with enough power to provide funds for workers on strike, independent of the autonomous crowdfunding that will almost certainly organize itself as well. And then, of course, there is the possibility that things reach such a state of rupture that you can simply help yourself to a free Rolex.

>>2760331
>the lack of security culture these young protesters seem to possess.

In Montreal, Anarchists and Maoists used to have shopping bags filled with hundreds of balaclavas and skis so it could be handed out to individuals who saw them engaging with police, and wanted to join, but were bare faced, or green-horns curious leftists, or public onlookers. Just one person doing that such things would solve many issue seen in video.

>>2760529

What you are saying is truthful, but it is not an excuse for what the leftcom rightfully called out. I am usually under the umbrella of the Juche Poster Alliance, but I will mark myself with a different tag to avoid confusion, since we are not cohesive in this moment.

We all know this new COINTELPRO has ramped up, but I do not think that is the sole reason for the problems we are facing. The entire point of the distributed vanguard is redundancy, so WHY would knowledge be limited to a certain age or intelligence level group? The real issue is that most of the leftist formations younger people are joining are not equipping them with operational security or security culture. They are being taught electoral participation and basic theory, while the organizations that actually do this work are being overshadowed. The popular leftist platforms in the United States will not share ideas from a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist or anarchist conference on staying safe from police tactics. These leftist orgs are not our own strategic organizations; they are liberal NGOs with red imagery, and their members need to be made aware that these organizations are enemies. The energy and bodies that were drawn into leftist spaces by the actions of the distributed vanguard were promptly captured and contained by liberal NGOs masquerading as leftist organizations. This is the result. Yes, this means not just the DSA, but the PSL, CPUSA, and a lot of the other alphabet soups of “leftist” organizations.

Secondly, there is a lot going on lately. People are playing it smart because the stakes are high, and your most seasoned Anarchists and Maoists do not want to martyr themselves for the DNC. Tactics are being rethought, quiet relationships are being built, and the more serious groups are generally not engaging in adventurism. When the moment is ripe, they will be ready, and that will become apparent.

It's a bit weak but still more useful than 95% of leftist armchair.