/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

EKKKonomy is fascist.

Easy, you take a platform like Amazon or Temu or Alibaba and each order you make goes into the system of factories and distribution centers and it gets made and comes to you. You don’t need to guess demand anymore, you get it in real time.

This is probably the 100th thread on this topic, stop spamming the board.

SNLT

>>2762206
That information is nowhere near dynamic enough to substitute price. Even if it was, you'd still have to solve the feasibility issue inherent to processing so much information at once when one tiny mistake can cause a domino effect leading to shortages of critical goods.

>>2762206
You forgot to give him the book

it depends what scale of economy you want to have
if your aim is to reduce working hours, then you can shrink consumer choice by limiting production to necessaries, but if you want to scale up the economy, you raise labour by its division into different fields of production, at which point, money and markets basically become necessary, since as the division of labour develops, it is demand, not supply, which orients production, and demand cannot really be centrally planned, only production can. the only alternative explanation ive seen is people claiming some wasteful mechanism of "abundance" but that is clearly not "rational", since you are basically creating junkyards and trash heaps for people to dumpster dive into.

I don't understand, why is having some sort of pricing incompatible with socialism? Why can't multiple factors signal comsumer need like, say, consumers asking for things directly or tracking the consumption rates of various things?

>>2762206
How do you filter bot orders if there is no pricing barrier btw?

Hit me with your retarded ass Reddit theme, it doesn't make what I've said here any less true.

>>2762341
>leading to shortages of critical goods.
you could just mandate increased productive capacity in critical goods so there cost is cheap efficiency high and labor low then run them at a minor surplus all the time. if you dont have the tech you can incentivize engineers, if its not invented subsidize scientists, if people cant read build schools, etc. eventually you will figure it out and as long as the critical goods isnt rice or fuel in the winter your golden and if it is you can make concessions and find a way to import that until you can sustain long enough to fill out the prerequisites to increase productive capacity. then once all the critical goods like water food shelter education and health are done you can have a vote for which luxuries get to be "critical" next. probably electricity and transport and telecom or something.

>>2762201
People's "needs" are malleable and subject to what you put in front of their faces. Look at Amerikkka, people can't afford shit and just go into make believe debt that's unenforceable but they do the jam boy GrubHub wagie dance anyway.

People will cry and complain but only the elect actually pickup a rifle when their needs are not met. You put the riflemen in the party. They may not be autistic enough to come up with numbers, but they'll gladly cooperate and fix the prices by force or by word of mouth.

I personally would base an economy off of degenerate hyper consumables such as drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and lottery. You might be thinking "isn't that just America?" But quite the opposite. America crushes hope and keeps it's golems in total despair shaming them for finding solace in consumables and violence. A well satisfied populace, not that they deserve it. But I'm a kind man who would do it for all the little boys and girls who would grow up more like me and my wife. Maybe…if they have a high enough autism score they probably won't.

But either way, in principle it would be the exact opposite of the monolithic torture chamber that is western standards. You can charge whatever you like and just fucking lie to people why it's so much and what you're actually producing. Whose gonna know? As long as you're not doing anything too retarded to get bombed by other nations, you're doing just fine. Just good enough. It's pragmatic too, not utopian socialism.

You'll still find something to bitch about. You're not in the party. You'd rather be a cuck doing what you're doing now. You own nothing, and you're still not happy.

>>2762201
this is like babby's first critique of socialism. so many threads are just rightards showing up here, doing their economics 101 threads, then dipping without reading the answers. why put in the effort?
>authoritarianism
just lol

>>2762201
equilibrium price is socially necessary labor time. that decreases under socialism because there is no crisis of falling rate of profit, since society is no longer focused around profit motive, but around unleashing productive forces and distributing goods according to need rather than "demand"

a person NEEDS food whether or not they DEMAND playstation

The idea that there is too much information to be handled is ridiculous when we live in the AGE OF INFORMATION and computing power is higher than ever. Mises and Hayeks rants might have had some weight a century ago, today modern capitalist corporations handle tons of information rationally.

>>2763000
Do a social experiment and put people in a confined space having either an abundance of food or living on bread and juice but get the playstation and see who cracks first

People can steal food
They can't steal joy, satisfaction, contentment, stimuli.

>>2763003
>They can't steal joy, satisfaction, contentment, stimuli.
It's actually way easier to get away with pirating a video game at home than to get away with shoplifting food with security cameras pointed at you

>>2763008
OP probably doesn't even know who Salvador Allende was. Take it slow.

I seriously want to point out that ChatGPT4o was in the range of 2 trillion parameters.

I seriously would be half my life savings that humanity does not produce more than 2 trillion distinct bulk commodities, and if it does, then you could trivially shrink it down to that number by cutting back on the number of variants of packaging used for the same exact product.

>>2763012
HS Code System: Most global trade data is categorized under the Harmonized System (HS) codes. There are ~5,000 8-digit HS codes currently used internationally to classify products.

>>2762201
I think that Austro-Marxist groups have only debate economic side of Marxist theory which also inspired Lenin and Bukharin.

Read Hilferding and Lenin, they both fundamentally talk about how Capitalist economy can be managed in transition to socialism, reject any AES theories because they tend to make shit up.

>>2762967
Why do you people think societal institutions arise spontaneously from non-living matter? If everyone is illiterate and unskilled outside of agriculture, then where does the engineering talent come from? Who will build the schools, and from what materials acquired from where? Who will teach in the schools? Talent and education don't exist in a vacuum. Building schools won't magically make brilliant minds appear, you need a solid pre-existing knowledge base. You would need to gather thousands of instructors with specialized skills, all in complete, stable devotion to the collective (very optimistic).

>>2763222
ok. it seems to be working out fine in the states that tried it

>>2763360
Such as?

>>2763632
chyna

>>2762998
>authoritarianism
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=whats+authoritarianism%3F+explain+like+i%27m+retarded
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