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>>2760245>>2764082If it doesn't have vampires and witches I'm not reading it.
>>2764082I have it on my bookshelf and IIRC de Tocqueville called out the Supreme Court as likely causing major problems for American democracy down the line.
That said I’m reading
House of Leaves right now so I probably won’t pick up another book soon.
honkoid status?
> Alexis de Tocqueville
If_you_only_knew_how_bad_things_really_are
>>2764082Needs more wizards
Oh, yeah, it was like lightning
Everybody was frightening
And the music was soothing
And they all started grooving (yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah)
And the man in the back said, "Everyone attack!"
And it turned into a ballroom blitz
And the girl in the corner said
"Boy, I want to warn you, it'll turn into a ballroom blitz"
Ballroom blitz, ballroom blitz
Ballroom blitz, ballroom blitz
>>2764126Because I would rather spend my days masturbating in the comfort of my own bathroom.
It is indisputable that American workers benefit from imperialism and I dare any of you to actually refute this. You will fail, because it cannot be done.
im gay
>>2764141CPUSAnon, I dare you to try to dispute the premise that American workers (and this means YOU) materially benefit from Imperialism.
>>2764142Man, you guys are getting really lazy with the bait.
>>2764144You can't do it either. None of you can. American workers benefit materially from imperialism.
>>2764142Nah that's dull. I wanna hear your hobbies man. Tell me a bit about yourself anon. Do you paint? Draw? Like Chess? Like Go? I've been trying to get into Go myself, but I keep getting my ass kicked by the computer.
C'mon Anon, tell me a little about yourself.
>>2764146Your hobbies are all we ever hear about because you're obsessed with games and toys rather than material reality. You can't even begin to dispute the fact that you are a beneficiary of a global genocide, you are basically the Aryan in Nazi Germany, and you enjoy it.
>>2764142WHAT LYING TREATLERS SAY:
>porky does privatization, deregulation, austerity, union busting, labor discipline, outsourcing, exploitation of immigrants and prisoners, and builds prisons while schools, hospitals, and bridges crumbleMY REAL IRON FELIX TRUTH:
>porky bribes every """"worker"""" (treatler) with free McMansions and national socialist healthcare every time an iranian or palestinian dies >>2764147Eh, I tried. Look Anon, if you ever develop a passion for clay sculpting and want to show us, I'll be the first to comment on it. 'Till then, good luck, hope life treats you well.
>>2764082I was thinking of reading it when I saw someone post that image before. It's not a novel, so it's not like it's going to spoil anything to read the wiki summary first right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_America
>Tocqueville eventually extrapolated this work into the book Democracy in America, which was first published in Paris in two volumes. In the work, Tocqueville holds a critical lens to early 19th century socioeconomic affairs in the United States. He notes the influence of American government and Puritan religious history on its entrepreneurial and relatively egalitarian culture. However, Tocqueville criticizes the moral, spiritual, artistic, and interpersonal costs of a society where social mobility and restlessness are organizing expectations.[1][2] Ultimately, since its publication, the work has had a dramatic impact on American—as well as broader Western—thought and education; especially in history, political science, and the social sciences.
>Tocqueville begins his book by describing the change in social conditions taking place. He observed that over the previous seven hundred years the social and economic conditions of men had become more equal. The aristocracy, Tocqueville believed, was gradually disappearing as the modern world experienced the beneficial effects of equality. Tocqueville traced the development of equality to a number of factors, such as granting all men permission to enter the clergy, widespread economic opportunity resulting from the growth of trade and commerce, the royal sale of titles of nobility as a monarchical fundraising tool, and the abolition of primogeniture.[4]
>Tocqueville described this revolution as a "providential fact"[4] of an "irresistible revolution," leading some to criticize the determinism found in the book. However, based on Tocqueville's correspondences with friends and colleagues, Marvin Zetterbaum, Professor Emeritus at University of California Davis, concludes that the Frenchman never accepted democracy as determined or inevitable. He did, however, consider equality more just and therefore found himself among its partisans.[5] Given the social state that was emerging, Tocqueville believed that a "new political science" would be needed, in order to:
<[I]nstruct democracy, if possible to reanimate its beliefs, to purify its motives, to regulate its movements, to substitute little by little the science of affairs for its inexperience, and knowledge of its true instincts for its blind instincts; to adapt its government to time and place; to modify it according to circumstances and men: such is the first duty imposed on those who direct society in our day.[6]
> The remainder of the book can be interpreted as an attempt to accomplish this goal, thereby giving advice to those people who would experience this change in social states.[citation needed] Tocqueville's message is somewhat beyond the American democracy itself, which was rather an illustration to his philosophical claim that democracy is an effect of industrialization.[citation needed] This explains why Tocqueville does not unambiguously define democracy and even ignores the intents of the Founding Fathers of the United States regarding the American political system:[citation needed]
< To pursue the central idea of his study—a democratic revolution caused by industrialization, as exemplified by America—Tocqueville persistently refers to democracy. This is in fact very different from what the Founding Fathers of the United States meant. Moreover, Tocqueville himself is not quite consistent in using the word 'democracy', applying it alternately to representative government, universal suffrage or majority-based governance:
<The American institutions are democratic, not only in their principle but in all their consequences; and the people elects its representatives directly, and for the most part annually, in order to ensure their dependence. The people is therefore the real directing power; and although the form of government is representative, it is evident that the opinions, the prejudices, the interests, and even the passions of the community are hindered by no durable obstacles from exercising a perpetual influence on society. In the United States the majority governs in the name of the people, as is the case in all the countries in which the people is supreme. Democracy in America, Book 2, Ch I, 1st and 2nd paragraph
<Such an ambiguous understanding of democracy in a study of great impact on political thought could not help leaving traces. We suppose that it was Tocqueville's work and not least its title that strongly associated the notion of democracy with the American system and, ultimately, with representative government and universal suffrage. The recent 'Tocqueville renaissance', which enforces the democratic image of the United States and, correspondingly, of other Western countries, also speaks for the role of Tocqueville's work.
<— Andranik Tangian (2020) Analytical Theory of Democracy, pp. 193–194[7]Main themes
>Puritan founding
>Tocqueville begins his study of the U.S. by explaining the contribution of the Puritans. According to him, the Puritans established the U.S. democratic social state of equality. They arrived equals in education and were all middle class. In addition, Tocqueville observes that they contributed a synthesis of religion and political liberty in America that was uncommon in Europe, particularly in France. He calls the Puritan Founding the "seed" of his entire work.
>Federal constitution
>Tocqueville believed that the Puritans established the principle of sovereignty of the people in the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut. The American Revolution then popularized this principle, followed by the Constitutional Convention of 1787, which developed institutions to manage popular will. While Tocqueville speaks highly of the U.S. Constitution, he believes that the mores, or "habits of mind" of the American people play a more prominent role in the protection of freedom. These include:[citation needed]
>Township democracy >Mores, laws, and circumstances >Tyranny of the majority >Religion and beliefs >The family >Individualism >Associations >Self-interest rightly understood >Materialism
>Situation of women
>Tocqueville was one of the first social critics to examine the situation of U.S. women and to identify the concept of separate spheres.[8] The section Influence of Democracy on Manners Properly So Called of the second volume is devoted to his observations of women's status in U.S. society. He writes: "In no country has such constant care been taken as in America to trace two clearly distinct lines of action for the two sexes and to make them keep pace one with the other, but in two pathways that are always different."[9]
>He argues that the collapse of aristocracy lessened the patriarchal rule in the family where fathers would control daughters' marriages, meaning that women had the option of remaining unmarried and retaining a higher degree of independence. Married women, by contrast, lost all independence "in the bonds of matrimony" as "in America paternal discipline [by the woman's father] is very relaxed and the conjugal tie very strict."[10] Yet despite this lack of independence, he believed America would "raise woman and make her more and more the equal of man" and praised America for having more legal protections for women than in France.[8] Tocqueville believed women would be contributors to America's prosperity and strength despite the limitations of the time, stating:[8]
<As for myself, I do not hesitate to avow that although the women of the United States are confined within the narrow circle of domestic life, and their situation is in some respects one of extreme dependence, I have nowhere seen women occupying a loftier position; and if I were asked, … to what the singular prosperity and growing strength of that people ought mainly to be attributed, I should reply,—to the superiority of their womenSummary
>The primary focus of Democracy in America is an analysis of why republican representative democracy has succeeded in the United States while failing in so many other places. Tocqueville seeks to apply the functional aspects of democracy in the United States to what he sees as the failings of democracy in his native France.[12]
>Tocqueville speculates on the future of democracy in the United States, discussing possible threats to democracy and possible dangers of democracy. These include his belief that democracy has a tendency to degenerate into "soft despotism" as well as the risk of developing a tyranny of the majority. He observes that the strong role religion played in the United States was due to its separation from the government, a separation all parties found agreeable. He contrasts this to France, where there was what he perceived to be an unhealthy antagonism between democrats and the religious, which he relates to the connection between church and state.[citation needed]
>Insightful analysis of political society was supplemented in the second volume by description of civil society as a sphere of private and civilian affairs, mirroring Hegel.[13] Tocqueville observed that social mechanisms have paradoxes, as in what later became known as the Tocqueville effect: "social frustration increases as social conditions improve".[14] He wrote that this growing hatred of social privilege, as social conditions improve, leads to the state concentrating more power to itself.[citation needed] Tocqueville's views on the United States took a darker turn after 1840, however, as made evident in Craiutu and Jennings' Tocqueville on America after 1840: Letters and Other Writings.So from that article, it sounds like it would certainly be intriguing to read this Frenchman's perspective from early in our country's history, but it doesn't sound like I'm going to read any mind-blowing ideas I've never heard before.
>>2764153He's going to sculpt you into a swastika using bullets as chisels because you are nothing but target practice for his cadres 🤪🤪🤪🤪
>>2764137>you benefit from the thing>marxism says people do what benefits their class interests>yet i will still try to recruit you to blow up factories out of a pure moralism even while calling you fascist treatler imperialism benefiterwhere is the materialism in this
>>2764150Despite internal repression and cannibalization, the standard of living of America still remains much higher than the vast majority of humanity. It is an objective fact, verifiable with statistics, that American workers have a higher standard of living, lower expenses and a much greater access to high quality commodities than the vast majority of humanity.
How do you explain this imbalance, if not the spoils of imperialism?
>>2764147>Your hobbies are all we ever hear aboutFrom who tho? Last time I remember him talking about Warhammer it was prompted by Felix spazzing out about it. He's far from the only one here to talk about Warhammer as it's a popular franchise. Me, I never got into it and think the art style is ugly, but I hear you idiots going on and on about CPUSA WARHAMMER more than I've ever seen him talk about it.
>>2764158You're probably a self-flagellating American, and if you weren't, you probably also enjoy a much higher standard of living than the majority of the world as everyone who posts on this board does.
>>2764158>i set all my neighbors houses on fire, therefore i benefit because my house is the only house not on fire, even though i have to breathe in all the smoke.this is a very stupid conception of benefit. if I had simply decided to co-exist with my neighbors, I would be doing even better, though I might not be numero uno.
the us government goes around blowing up kids and people all over the world grow up hating me and wanting me dead for something i had no say in. how is that benefit? you're a silly silly little man. you want to have it both ways. you want people to "confess" that they "benefit from imperialism" to you like you're a judge getting ready to sentence them, but at the same time you want people to go against their own material interests that you insist they have. pick 1 or the other.
This video is all that needs to be said. >>2764160>you probably also enjoy a much higher standard of living than the majority of the world as everyone who posts on this board does.<The global median income is approximately $7.56 per day (in 2021 PPP, adjusted for cost of living). This means that half of the world's population lives on less than this amount, and half lives on more. While global incomes have risen significantly, 85% of the world population lives on less thanper day
>>2764162Truth be told, I don't believe these PPP numbers either. Does PPP raise their number to American dollar standards?
>The average cost of groceries for a single person in the U.S. ranges from $250 to over $500 per monthYou can't even buy food for $7.56 dollars a day in America.
>>2764160I benefit from imperialism, because I am an American.
It's not very hard to understand. I benefit from a higher standard of living, political stability, reliable utilities, lower costs as a percentage of my income and much higher access to high-quality, especially imported, commodities.
You benefit from this too, because you are also an American.
>>2764162Yes, and the reason why the average American income is so much higher than this is imperialism.
>>2764158i will never join the military or pigs. I will never invest in MIC stocks. I will never get a job that supplies MIC. I will continue to be a leech on burger reich so it is unsustainable. that is my praxis. no i will not risk myself. no i will not apologize for existing to imageboard losers because that is silly. i will learn mandarin and move to china if they let me. you will go around crying at people to "confess" their original sin of getting lucky to be born in the core instead of the periphery. everyone who's alive is lucky because they won a race against a billion other sperm. we're all statistical anomalies standing on a mountain of dead losers. life is unfair
>>2764164damn. you've convinced me. i'll never do class struggle now because I realized i'm already ruling class. thanks langley!
I'm sure the USA having massive natural resources and having had a capitalist economy since even before its establishment has nothing to do with it having a higher standard of living than countries which had only started developing in a capitalist manner in the past 100 years or less. Like, countries like Cambodia had fucking peasant revolts as late as the 1970s.
>>2764164maybe the rest of the world should get to live like you instead of you getting to live like them
The conclusion from this is not "Do nothing" you fucking imbeciles. Imperialism is killing the world and is a grotesquely unfair system which must be defeated and destroyed if we want to have any chance of averting the climate apocalypse that imperialism itself created.
Imperialism must be defeated if we as a species are to have any hope of survival. You can admit this while also admitting to the fact that you materially benefit from it.
>>2764169The reason why America has massive natural resources is because of Imperialism, though.
Unless you have forgotten, all those resources were stolen, by means of extreme violence, from sovereign nations of people who lived here before your ancestors arrived. After the indigenous people were wiped out, another race was then violently subjugated to replace them, yet another act of violent imperialism.
>>2764164>>2764171Neo-liberalism has not benefited the average American at all. Us not having employment doesn't benefit us. We're a large country with a continent's worth of population. We need JOBS. That's what the politicians are always talking about creating jobs! Because they've stolen all the fucking jobs. The average American doesn't need cheap goods more than they need fucking employment.
>>2764174If imperialism and neo-liberalism worked, why is China beating us?
>>2764173Read Lenin's Imperialism: Highest Stage of Capitalism if you actually want to know what phenomenon this conversation is about, buddy. If you hadn't noticed, US capitalist imperialism in countries like the Philippines looked very different than what you're talking about.
>>2764173>from sovereign nations of people who lived here before your ancestors arrived. ok felix go back to europe. i'm more indigenous than you anyway
And if you got some kushy 6 figure make work, no show, fake job. Good for you. Don't take that out on the rest of us faggot. Just kill YOURSELF. We don't like you or support you. Leave the rest of us out of your guilt and take personal responsibility.
>>2764174America's unemployment rate is much lower than that of poor countries.
The reason for this is imperialism. America was able to develop to an extremely high level because of violent imperialism. Every American benefits from this high level of development, things like reliable utilities, for example, which are not a given in the rest of the world.
>>2764181Yes.
That is precisely why you have them. Where do you think you get all that oil from?
>>2764180>America was able to develop to an extremely high level because of violent imperialism. LOL
Apparently, productive forces actually have nothing to do with the relations of production.
Americans spend less on:
Food
Fuel
Rent
AND GET HIGHER QUALITY PRODUCTS
This is not difficult to understand, your standard of living is objectively higher than a worker at your same job in the Philippines, Brazil or India.
Why?
Why is this so.
Imperialism is the reason why.
>>2764186ok i benefit from imperialism. it's in my class interests. thank you for convincing me to NOT fight imperialism. I was about to fight imperialism because I was convinced it was making everyone around the world hate me and want to kill me, but now i know that it benefits me so i won't fight it, because marxism teaches me to pursue my class interests.
America's entire economic scheme is built around having the world's reserve currency and forcing the sale of oil in dollars, which allows the country to use endless deficit spending to prop up it's own economy forever.
Why can America do this?
The reason is imperialism! Violent, aggressive imperialism, perpetrated against the rest of the world. Any nation that refuses to go along with this is sanctioned, placed under siege and starved, or directly invaded and destroyed by a military of world-conquest proportions.
>>2764190>ny nation that refuses to go along with this is sanctioned, placed under siege and starved, or directly invaded and destroyed by a military of world-conquest proportions.that sounds rough so I'll go along with it. thanks for convincing me to go along with it
>>2764182Of course the fall in oil prices from foreign extraction is a big help. We're not talking about the US developing relatively slower or faster, we're talking about the US being a highly developed country at all. Even if it had to pay a fair market price to the Arab states in the 20th century its productive forces would still be far higher than the rest of the world.
>>2764186A lot of this is because of higher productive forces for housing construction and farming and such. But even so, how is having cheaper banana prices the reason why the US has a high standard of living, its clearly not the primary reason. Obviously its a significant reason for the Central American countries to having been able to use those decades for productive development of their own, but having bananas is not why the US has historically had big industry.
>>2764141>>2764191some1 already posted it
fuk
>>2764192You are literally the Aryan in Nazi Germany and it does you no good to deny this.
>>2764195You are the Aryan, I am the gypsy.
The US economy is fundamentally structured around imperialism. This is not a difficult situation for alleged marxists to understand. How much more clearly do I need to explain this to all of you?
America's global dominance depends on extracting wealth from other countries through military power, financial blackmail, and control over key global commodities through the dollar’s role as the world’s reserve currency and its central place in oil trade. These mechanisms generate enormous profits and rents, which flow back into the U.S. economy and support high wages, bonuses, and job stability for certain privileged workers in finance, technology, energy, and managerial sectors.
Even for the broader working class, there are indirect material benefits. Access to cheap imported goods, relatively stable energy prices, and the overall wealth generated by U.S. dominance improve living standards.
This is basic shit. You should all be able to understand this. Your standard of living is OBJECTIVELY higher than that of an Indian worker at the same job as yours. It is OBJECTIVELY higher than a Filipino worker at the same job. It is OBJECTIVELY higher than a South African worker.
Why?
The reason is IMPERIALISM!
>>2764201>Your standard of living is OBJECTIVELY higher than that of an Indian worker at the same job as yours. It is OBJECTIVELY higher than a Filipino worker at the same job. It is OBJECTIVELY higher than a South African worker.Maybe because US steel production is magnitudes more productive than Indian steel production. These are not the "same jobs". You are delusional.
Ultimately, the reason for Western Europe and the US having such a high standard of living is that they've been undergoing capitalist development of hundreds of years, and that capitalist construction was built by domestic labor. "Why do automobile workers in the US have a higher standard of living than those in Kenya" is very obviously because car manufacturing is far more productive in the US.
After having reached a highly developed point, THEN of course imperialism can keep other countries down, ensuring they do not develop on their own. But that could only happen because of Western Europe and the USA having a highly developed capitalist economy in the first place. These imperialist plundering missions are done first and foremost for the bourgeoisie of the United States, and in some sense, a strengthened bourgeoisie is a bourgeoisie less likely to resort to harsher crisis measures on its own proletariat. Sure. In that sense, one can say the US American proletariat benefits from imperialism.
Flood Detected.
>>2764204Tell him this
>>2764189and this
>>2764184and he will stop replying
>>2764204Why does America have so much steel and all these natural resources then?
It's not a difficult question to answer.
>>2764209What happened to all these people?
Did someone, perhaps, murder them all and take their land and resources, an act of imperialism the likes of which has scarcely ever been seen in human history?
>>2764209We stole it from the Lazy Mexicans who could do nothing with it.
>“Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans, who did not know what to do with it? That the energetic Yankees will exploit the mines of California, increase the means of circulation, and, within a few years, populate and develop commerce along the Pacific coast, build cities, open steamship lines, and build a railroad from New York to San Francisco? That for the first time the Pacific Ocean will be really opened to civilization? What does the ‘independence’ of a few Spanish Californians or Texans matter, or the violation of ‘justice’ and other moral principles, compared to such historical facts?” >>2764211Sorry that quote is too clipped. I liked the Bakunin part.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Marx_Articles_from_the_NRZ.pdf>How did it happen that over Texas a war broke out between these two republics, which, according to the moral theory, ought to have been "fraternally united" and "federated", and that, owing to "geographical, commercial and strategical necessities", the "sovereign will" of the American people, supported by the bravery of the American volunteers, shifted the boundaries drawn by nature some hundreds of miles further south? And will Bakunin accuse the Americans of a "war of conquest", which, although it deals with a severe blow to his theory based on "justice and humanity", was nevertheless waged wholly and solely in the interest of civilization? Or is it perhaps unfortunate that splendid California has been taken away from the lazy Mexicans, who could not do anything with it? That the energetic Yankees by rapid exploitation of the California gold mines will increase the means of circulation, in a few years will concentrate a dense population and extensive trade at the most suitable places on the coast of the Pacific Ocean, create large cities, open up communications by steamship, construct a railway from New York to San Francisco, for the first time really open the Pacific Ocean to civilization, and for the third time in history give the world trade a new direction? The "independence" of a few Spanish Californians and Texans may suffer because of it, in someplaces "justice" and other moral principles may be violated; but what does that matter to such facts of world-historic significance?>We would point out, incidentally, that this theory of universal fraternal union of peoples, which calls indiscriminately for fraternal union regardless of the historical situation and the stage of social development of the individual peoples, was combated by the editors of the Neue Rheinische Zeitung already long before the revolution, and in fact in opposition to their best friends, the English and French democrats. Proof of this is to be found in the English, French and Belgian democratic newspapers of that period So again. America only exists because of imperialism. It's entire economy is structured around imperialism. It's high standard of living is because of imperialism. Literally the reason why we are having this conversation is because American imperialism dumped billions into developing better semiconductors than the USSR had so they could create better weapons, and then they linked those computers together on a military communications network that turned into the internet.
Violent imperialism has built and sustains the American standard of living. It is impossible to deny or dispute this.
If America is imperialism, than imperialism is Marxist. Read:
>>2764212>>2764215
So the imperialism spammer is also the "everyone here is a bot" spammer?
>>2764209Every nation has natural resources to it. If you didn't notice Western Europe also has a very high standard of living. I hope you're not asking for a land acknowledgement for their prehistoric cultures.
>>2764210that's settler colonialism, an interrelated, often overlapping, but not identical phenomenon to imperialism.
I know you are not an LLM bot because a LLM would've attempted a convincing argument based on what I wrote in the post. I don't know if the LLM technology exists yet to just totally disregard what its replying to and reply with a non-sequitr because it is designed to generate tokens based on your text then generate a reply based on those tokens.
>>2764217Western Europe also directly benefits from the same system of Imperialism that America imposes on the rest of the world. They are willing participants in the same hegemonic military-financial alliance which hegemonically dominates the world.
This is especially true after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, all of which (sans Russia and Belarus) is now economically dominated and controlled by the European imperialist bloc known as the EU.
Seriously, this is basic shit here. Europeans also directly benefit from imperialism.
>>2764225I'm guessing you are a teenager, early 20s at most and you have never worked a job in your life. Your parents are college-educated and higly paid. You maybe entered university and didn't do well because you are directionless.
I am talking about the era of neo-liberal capitalism here, the epoch we actually live in instead of the epoch of the dusty tomes we all read.
The entire economy of the EU is based around now based around imperialism, just like the USA. NATO, as a whole, is an Imperialist bloc, and both the US and EU are also imperialist in their own right.
>>2764225Ah, I see the problem. You lack the ability to form short term memory, so as soon as the latest post shows on your screen you lose the ability to follow a coherent line with the post you made immediately before it. Sorry man, must be tough.
>>2764233I recommend a certain author named Karl Marx. He teaches that the historical development is actually quite important if you want a real understanding of the current reality.
>>2764084>If it doesn't have vampires and witches I'm not reading it.>>2764112>Needs more wizardsAlexis de Tocqueville: Vampire Hunter
>>2764126>What's your excuse for not going full Luigi Mode?The Laibach album coming up has a song called Luigi Mangione. I'm so excited.
>>2764142>CPUSAnon, I dare you to try to dispute the premise that American workers (and this means YOU) materially benefit from Imperialism.Do you ever get tired of this. Are you ever like, I'm all partied out here, I don't wanna party no more.
>>2764146>Nah that's dull. I wanna hear your hobbies man. Tell me a bit about yourself anon. Do you paint? Draw? Like Chess? Like Go? I've been trying to get into Go myself, but I keep getting my ass kicked by the computer.I'm getting a handle on airbrushing lately. It's pretty good. I'm a Battletech guy though, I don't fuck with Warhammer. They have a new core box coming out later this year. I've got a sprue of American war of independence minis that I need to get to. I picked up a sample, it's a British company that makes a game for that. I've discovered the Brits are really a nation of hobbyists. I'm reading a book on the American Revolution as well, and not a moment too soon because it is the 250th anniversary of our nation.
>>2764155>So from that article, it sounds like it would certainly be intriguing to read this Frenchman's perspective from early in our country's history, but it doesn't sound like I'm going to read any mind-blowing ideas I've never heard before.>>2764159It'd be worth looking at it. Pezeshkian writing a direct appeal to the American public shows a better understanding on the part of the Iranian leadership than I've seen from the Russians (to be perfectly honest). I think Trump gave this speech and Rubio gave a short statement the prior day because they don't feel like they've got a handle on the narrative.
The EU descended, like a vulture, onto the carcasses of the workers states of Eastern Europe and stripped every last ounce of profit from them, along with their best, most highly educated and productive workers. Plus, Western European liberal capitalists financialized and de-industrialized their own nations, shipping most of their industry and jobs to the east to exploit the well educated, low paid labor. This scheme is basically Poland's entire fucking economy now.
The EU is also an imperialist bloc that generates imperialist super profits from imperialism. This is not difficult to understand.
>>2764236>Plus, Western European liberal capitalists financialized and de-industrialized their own nationsYou're not very good at keeping track of what argument you're trying to make, huh.
>>2764239The standard of living of a German or French worker is still objectively better than that of a Pole or Czech. Some of the imperialist superprofits make it home and provide material benefits to the people of Western Europe, mostly in the form of reliable access to energy (especially after Germany intentionally dismantled it's own world class nuclear power grid for no discernable reason and now has to pay Poland to burn coal), political stability, a semi-functional welfare state and cheaper commodities. Entire car brands like Skoda essentially depend on the lower price of Czech labor as their selling point.
wishing you all a great Thursday
>>2764235>It'd be worth looking at it. Sure maybe, why not, like I said it sounds like he's just saying the same shit we've all heard a million times in a million forms. Same goes for all the prophets like Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, etc.
>Pezeshkian writing a direct appeal to the American public shows a better understanding on the part of the Iranian leadership than I've seen from the Russians (to be perfectly honest). A lot of people have done that. Ho Chi Minh did it too any I posted it hear recently. It matters not.
>I think Trump gave this speech and Rubio gave a short statement the prior day because they don't feel like they've got a handle on the narrative.Who gives a fuck what they say. Americans don't care what Trump or Rubio said in a speech anymore than they care what Pezeshkian or Ho Chi Minh said in a speech.
https://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon2/hochiminh/
<Message to the American People, December 23, 1966
>On the occasion of the New Year, I would like to convey to the American people cordial wishes for peace and happiness.
>The Vietnamese and American peoples should have lived in peace and friendship. But the U.S. Government has brazenly sent over 400,000 troops along with thousands of aircraft and hundreds of Warships to wage aggression on Vietnam. Night and day it has used napalm bombs, toxic gas, fragmentation bombs and other modern weapons to massacre our people, not sparing even old persons, women and children, it has burnt down or destroyed villages and towns and perpetrated extremely savage crimes. Of late, U.S. aircraft have repeatedly bombed Hanoi, our beloved capital.
>It is because of the criminal war unleashed by the U.S. Government that hundreds of thousands of young Americans have been drafted and sent to a useless death for from then homeland, on the Vietnamese battlefield. In hundreds of thousands of American families, parents have lost their sons, and wives their husbands.
> Nevertheless, the U.S. Government has continually clamoured about "peace negotiations' in an attempt to deceive the American and world peoples. In fact, it is daily expanding the war. The U.S. Government wrongy believes that with brutal force it could compel our people to surrender. But the Vietnamese people will never submit. We love peace, but it must be genuine peace in independence and freedom. For independence and freedom, the Vietnamese people are determined to fight the U.S. aggressors through to complete victory, whatever the hardships and sacrifices may be.
>Who has caused these sufferings and mournings to the Vietnamese and American people? It is the U.S. rulers. The American people have realized this truth. More and more Americans are valiantly standing up in a vigorous struggle, demanding that the American Government respect the Constitution and the honour of the United States, stop the war of aggression in Vietnam and bring home all U.S. troops. I warmly welcome your just struggle and thank you for your support to the Vietnamese people's patriotic fight. I sincerely wish the American people many big successes in their struggle for peace, democracy and happiness. You know Maduro also gave some speech during Trump's first term I think when they were edging towards it about how he loves the American peoples and it's just our evil gubment who is attacking us all. These speeches do nothing.
The American worker lives a more precarious existence than the Chinese worker.
>>2764235>Yeah, c'mon on all you big strong men>Uncle Sam needs your help again>He's got himself in a terrible jam>Way down yonder in Vietnam>So put down your books and pick up a gun>We're gonna have a whole lot of fun
<And it's 1, 2, 3,<what're we fighting for?<Don't ask me, I don't give a damn<Next stop is vietnam<And it's 5, 6, 7, open<up the pearly gates<Well there ain't no time to wonder why<Whoopee! we're all gonna die
>Well c'mon on Wall Street>Don't be slow>Why this is war a-go-go>There's plenty good money to be made>By supplin' the Army with>the tools of the trade>Just hope and pray that>if we drop the bomb>They drop it on-the Vietcong
<And it's 1, 2, 3,<what're we fighting for?<Don't ask me, I don't give a damn<Next stop is vietnam<And it's 5, 6, 7, open<up the pearly gates<Well there ain't no time to wonder why<Whoopee! we're all gonna die
>Well c'mon generals, let's move fast>Your big chance has come at last>Gotta go out and get those Reds>The only good Commie is one who's dead>And you know that peace can only be won>When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come
<And it's 1, 2, 3,<what're we fighting for?<Don't ask me, I don't give a damn<Next stop is vietnam<And it's 5, 6, 7, open<up the pearly gates<Well there ain't no time to wonder why<Whoopee! we're all gonna die
>Well c'mon mothers throughout this land>Pack your boys off to Vietnam>C'mon pops, don't hesitate>Send 'em off before it's too late>Be the first one on your block to>have your boy come home in a box
<And it's 1, 2, 3,<what're we fighting for?<Don't ask me, I don't give a damn.<Next stop is vietnam<And it's 5, 6, 7, open<up the pearly gates<Well there ain't no time to wonder why<Whoopee! we're all gonna die >>2764262I want to note too, not a single fat person, let alone an obese person. You disgusting freaks make me want to scream. What is wrong with you?
>>2764282I'm sorry phytoestrogen just refers to the soy and what not. I meant xenoestrogens.
>>2764082You are epstein and you promote that guy, so that guy is epstein. This can be reckoned assuredly.
>>2764101Wrong. The french says exact opposite of what you say. The french man glazes fascist colonial settler democratic. The french man's ideas are toxic to prole mind, which is why you fabricate nonsense to validate his french glazing in effort to sublimate his glazing to your epstein amerika loving bill of rights fascism cpusa agenda.
>How the judicial power of the Union is conservative without harming that great principle of the necessity of a single dominating principle in constitutions. It slows, it cannot stop the people, because the latter by changing the constitution can always arrive at what they desire.The french man sounds like cpusa, dick riding the worst social system that exist
>>2764082>In his Democracy in America, Tocqueville also forecast the preeminence of the United States and Russia as the two main global powers. In his book, he stated: "There are now two great nations in the world, which starting from different points, seem to be advancing toward the same goal: the Russians and the Anglo-Americans. … Each seems called by some secret design of Providence one day to hold in its hands the destinies of half the world."how remarkably prescient
a good article on why its impossible to win elections through an independent socialist party (the state considers much of the democratic centralism mechanisms inside socialist parties to be illegal, on the flipside Porky relinquishes control over picking candidates for Primaries)
Political Parties Are Illegal in the United StatesWhat are the state’s rules? Well, they’re things like:
>Maybe the Socialism Party wants to select candidates at its annual convention after a rich and edifying political debate. Too bad, that’s illegal. The state doesn’t care for these smoke-filled room candidate selection processes, it got rid of them back in the Progressive Era. Candidates will be selected inside a state-sponsored ballot box by individual voters.
>Maybe the Socialism Party wants to select candidates on a statewide basis–deciding strategically which districts to run candidates in, strategically targeting resources to those races, and ensuring ideological unity across the slate. Too bad, that’s illegal. The state thinks local voters should have a voice in who runs locally. Candidates will be selected by party members in whatever district they want to run in. If the six party members in some random rural county want to run one of themselves for mayor, the rest of the party will just have to live with it.
>Maybe the Socialism Party wants to make sure that only dues-paying party members can vote in elections; they don’t want random people who joined because they heard about the Socialism Party on Twitter determining endorsements, and they especially don’t want some grifter stealing the party’s ballot line by persuading all his friends to join and vote in the primary. Too bad, that’s illegal. The Socialism Party is welcome to collect dues and require political education courses to its heart’s content, but the state says it can’t set up arbitrary barriers so that only insiders get to vote in primaries. The state says that the only thing you need to do to vote in the Socialism Party primary is check the appropriate box on a voter registration form.
>And so on and so forth, for trivial matters and major ones. Do members of the Socialism Party want to pick candidates through RCV? Too bad, that’s illegal (except for the few places where it is mandatory). Do members of the Socialism Party want to strip SP elected officials of party membership if they support a war or genocide? Too bad, the state says those elected officials will still be eligible to run and vote in SP primaries.…
<In DSA and on the US left more broadly, when we argue about whether to use the Democratic Party ballot line or create our own ballot line so we can have a disciplined party, the debate is often over whether our own ballot line is a necessary condition for party discipline and coherence (“can we build a caucus of elected socialists if they’re elected on the Democratic line, or do we need our own line?”) That’s the wrong question. The right question is whether our own ballot line is even compatible with discipline and coherence (“can we maintain electoral unity when our decision-making process on who to back electorally is taken out of our hands, broken up across hundreds of districts and opened to anyone who wants to participate?”) and the answer is, obviously, no we can’t.https://jwmason.org/slackwire/political-parties-are-illegal-in-the-united-states/>>2764290French man looked at two fascist imperialist powers and called them imperialist powers. This proto-ultra-imperialist kautsyite theory. The yank is astonished at this "prescience" for the banal frenchman vindicate their genocidal colonial spirit.
>>2764164>>2764186So, should we help Drumpf bomb Iran so we can maybe afford a home one day…?
>>2764214Wrong. Colonialism and imperialism are different things. Imperialism is the most degenerate capitalism. Colonialism is primitive accumulation.
Imperialism is epstein, colonialism is george washington. You are epstein
>>2764305That seems to be the implication.
>>2764164You would benefit more from socialism.
>>2764164>It's not very hard to understand. I benefit from a higher standard of living, political stability, reliable utilities, lower costs as a percentage of my income and much higher access to high-quality, especially imported, commodities. You'd only be benefitting from imperialism if you believe that these things would be impossible without imperialism. Otherwise you might as well argue that more privileged slaves "benefitted from slavery" even though they would be able to obtain the same or better conditions as free people.
>>2764327They are impossible without imperialism
>>2764330Is china imperialist too then?
>>2764330>under communism, nobody will live as good as americans do now, let alone everyoneTRIF Thought always leads back to Heritage Foundation talking points, lmfao
stable government = literally imperialist!!!! i am very smart.
>>2764333Socialism under climate change is going to mean austerity, imagine the Cuban special period forever
>>2764330This has been proven false empirically. Western European levels of QoL outcomes are possible with a fraction of current economic output and energy consumption if you eliminate the inherent parasitism and wastefulness of capitalism. This study found that every country on Earth could achieve an HDI equivalent to Denmark with only 30% of current global GDP through strategic and rational economic planning. You're just peddling lies designed by the ruling class to make workers go against their own interests.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452292924000493 >>2764335Just kys you fucking hippie retard
>>2764190How can America sanction countries without control over key monopolies in resources and intellectual property?
>>2764335you've highlighted the absurdity of TRIF thought
>he insists imperialism is in your class interests<but he wants you to fight it anyway, contrary to the marxist doctrine of pursuing your class interests>but he thinks it won't matter because climate change will bring everyone austerity and mass starvation instead of socialism<but he thinks you should not give up or become cynical, instead become an acolyte of his>because he insists AMERICA ITSELF is the personification of capitalist imperialism, rather than a dying hegemony<even though American hegemony is actively coming to an end and it is unable to project its power the way it used to, and keeps losing its regional influence outside the Western hemisphere. >>2764309It's telling which posts he responds to and which he does not
>>2764344what the fuck is trif
>>2764190reserve currency status is a symptom of imperialism not the root cause. in the case of the petrodollar, the agreement was the EXCLUSIVE sale of oil in dollars, now that the saudis sell their oil in whatever currency is convenient, the petrodollar is in effect dead, even if the majority of oil is still priced in dollars, since it was always the exclusivity part of the deal that mattered
>>2764347The Regular Irritating Follate
>>2764356No it's actually Tits Really Interest Friends
>>2764339Suburbanite racist
>>2764344>marxist doctrine of pursuing your class interestsYou are stupid
>>2764358aAnti-Americanism is fine and dandy until you, an Ameritard, gets called out.
Just kys asap
>>2764316THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO WATCH US SHART TO DEATH INSTEAD OF HAVING HEALTHCARE.
>>2764366but don't you understand? every bomb dropped wins you healthcare. i don't have to explain how. it's obvious. ignore all the evidence to the contrary!
Anyone notice how resistant Americans are to calling themselves proletariat/working class?
Their arguments boil down to “I’m actually middle class because I make exceed a certain amount of money per year” or “but I have stock options” and not any arguments related to their relationship to the means of production.
Is this why class consciousness is dead?
>>2764367>every bomb dropped wins you healthcareyes. universal healthcare in amerikkka exists. as long as you're a soldier you have universal healthcare. the entire welfare state in amerikkka is built for soldiers only.
>>2764369>proletariat/working classthese are not the same thing, a part of the "working class" are indeed middle class and not proletarians
>>2764369>Anyone notice how resistant Americans are to calling themselves proletariat/working class?on here we have the opposite problem. the second you call yourself working class you are inundated with accusations of being petty bourgeois.
>>2764371>7% of the population gets universal healthcare in exchange for voluntary service to imperialismas opposed to 100%
>>2764371>universal healthcarefor only a small section of the population? and most of the time, you don't even get those benefits! not even the "baby-killers" as you like to call them benefit from this arrangement
>>2764369Yes, everyone in America self-IDs as "middle class," regardless if they earn 20k a year at McDonalds or 20 mil a year collecting stock options.
Class consciousness is mostly dead in the US except for the uber-wealthy and some outliers like Bernie and FRSO.
>>276437820 years ago maybe, now most people see themselves as poor even if they are upper petty-bourgeois
>>2764369What part of
PROPERTYLESS AND RESERVE-LESS do you not understand? A 401k is a stock, it is property, it makes you petty bourgeois
>>2764383unpaid FBI intern
>>2764391retards like you are why "petty bourgeois" holds no meaning anymore
you just call everyone that
>>2764309As would the world, which is why all your conclusions about doing nothing are incredibly stupid. The literal planet earth on which we all live would benefit enormously from Communism, and this is precisely why we need to fight for it.
>>2764292A good article on the absolute folly of trying to achieve political change through bourgeois democratic means. The article mistakes the legal structure of bourgeois elections for the limits of political organization; in reality, a disciplined party is built outside those structures and uses elections tactically rather than being defined by them.
The problem is not that disciplined parties are illegal in the United States.
The problem is that the DSA is attempting to build a party through the institutions designed to prevent one.
All of this is by design. I urge you all to actually read about Michael Harrington and understand WHY he founded the DSA. The explicit, stated goal was ALWAYS to destroy the American left, to funnel it's energy into the Democratic party where it can be safely dissipated and contained. That is what it does, that is ALL it can ever do.
>>2764327Leninists use “benefit” to describe relative material positioning within an unjust system, not the limits of what’s historically possible. It's clear that you do not qualify for such a name.
>>2764371You don’t know what universal means
>>2764396Money is capital, being paid in capital makes anyone with a job petit bourgeois, the proletariat do not exist and never have
>>2764397But I thought the vast majority of Americans and indeed the first world are willing and eager collaborators who will gladly fight and die for their treats because they know imperialism benefits them? If we all benefit from such a system anyways and we're aware of it and that socialism will only supposedly make our lives worse by taking away our "treats" then what exactly is the incentive to join your cult and die for you?
>>2764369Yeah man it's called false consciousness.
>>2764403False consciousness doesn’t exist
>>2764401Imperialism is literally killing the world and poses an existential threat to human civilization, the fact that you, personally benefit from it (and this is a fact) does not change that.
>>2764397>Leninists use “benefit” to describe relative material positioning within an unjust systemNo they don't, otherwise Lenin would have argued that all workers "benefit" from imperialism because they are better off than the peasants in colonized countries. He could even conceivably have argued that Russian workers benefitted from the existing Tsarist order because they were better off than most peasants and most minority nationalities in the Russian Empire. Instead he argued vociferously that imperialism was against their interests and they should oppose it, that Russian workers had an interest in the liberation of oppressed nations, etc. Stop trying to project third worldism onto Marxists.
>>2764404Embarrassing thing to say tbqh.
>>2764404Liberal nonsense
>>2764408Russian workers did not benefit from Imperialism in anywhere near the same way that American workers do.
>>2764406name in what way most people "benefit" from imperialism, nimrod, if there is an equitable distribution of goods for the need of humanity, over a limited distribution of goods across the world, only benefiting the wealthiest makes the second better and the 1st "bad"
>>2764412You're moving the goalposts now. You said (falsely) that Lenin defined "benefitting" from a system as being relatively better off than others in that system. Now you're saying that even though Russian workers were better off than Russian peasants or minority nationalities, they still didn't benefit from Tsarism. Honestly your whole framework falls apart when you consider the fact that bourgeois states exist at all. The early bourgeoisie were far from the bottom rung of society in the 18th and 19th centuries. They probably lived lives closer to that of the aristocracy than the vast majority of the population. Yet in many cases they still rose up in bourgeois revolutions against the aristocratic system, risked their lives to destroy it, and were ultimately successful. Why would they do this when they were "beneficiaries" of it according to your reasoning?
Thirdies also benefit from imperialism, they get some of those treats produced in the north with the resources they extracted. This is why they are reluctant to revolt unless the CIA tells them to
>>2764412how is living in shitty suburbs, driving busted up cars, and having no universal access to higher education or even basic medical care a "benefit" over an equitable distribution of goods?
heh
>>2764414I've already been over this a million times. Americans, specifically, benefit from imperialism via reduced costs relative to their wages, cheap, easy access to high quality commodities, stable energy prices, political stability and easy credit. This is just what I can think of off the top of my head.
>>2764415Relative advantage within a system does not eliminate contradictions with that system, and therefore does not rule out revolutionary behavior. Especially when the chief contradiction of the neo-liberal epoch is climate change, an existential threat to humanity which must be stopped.
>>2764424>I've already been over this a million times. Americans, specifically, benefit from imperialism via reduced costs relative to their wages, cheap, easy access to high quality commodities, stable energy prices, political stability and easy credit. This is just what I can think of off the top of my head. how is this a benefit if we can factually achieve a better outcome without imperialism, the american worker might be slightly better off than a worker in kazakhstan if you look at raw numbers, but functionally neither of them live well, or are necessarily complacent in their lives
We’re already living through the common ruin of all classes, trying to organize is pointless, you’re telling me you actually want to not just survive, but have children in this environment? Bah humbug
>>2764424You realize all of those benefits are steadily being eroded and have been since the 1970s
why does neo-leftypol have so many demoralization agents
>>2764428not even that, life in the USA can theoretically be better than life in other countries, but this means functionally nothing, a nice number on a statistic, but tell me how the average new mexican lives a better life than someone in brazil
>>2764429You have narcissism and main character syndrome if you think this is an FBI or state actor effort, this is organic responses to the proletariat repeatedly proving to be a reactionary class since WWI
>>2764434no it's organic retardation you baiter
>>2764433We have plastic crap instead of human relationships and marxists will insist this represents progress and not an evolutionary dead end
>>2764424>vibes based analysisThe great period of imperialist exploitation was in the neo-liberal period of globalization since the 1980s, when the welfare and wage gains of workers in the North were taken back. Globalisation of the late 20th century was a response to falling rates of profit in the North. You should try getting a better understanding of marxism
>>2764437there's also a lot of good that this "plastic crap" has created, but also there are lot more things than that
>>2764434considering there's been a clear hasbara campaign on this site, them doing some demoralization on the side wouldn't surprise me
and no it wouldn't be FBI it would be some outsourced keyboard warriors getting paid pennies in thailand or some shit lol
>>2764435The class that repeatedly shot each other isn’t overthrowing anything
>>2764439I don’t care about Chinese development, it’s come directly at the cost of my own social environment, my grandmother is a hoarder because the Chinese flood our country with plastic trinkets
>>2764440This isn’t an organizing space, you have main character syndrome, this place has maybe 100 posters, there was no hasbara campaign, just people hungry for (you)s
>>2764441>The class that repeatedly shot each other isn’t overthrowing anythingirrelevant
>my grandmother is a hoarder because the Chinese flood our country with plastic trinketsyour grandmother is a hoarder because that's what the social incentive is to do, and due to a lack of proper treatment for these kinds of obsessive disorders, not mass production
>>2764429The world is a very demoralizing place. Maybe glowies are manipulating it but I don't think they need to try that hard.
>>2764424>I've already been over this a million timesAnd every time multiple people have called you out for being a fucking imbecile. One would think you should see your mistake by now, but you are too fucking stubborn and stupid to understand
If we had competent moderation they would have banned your ass already
>>2764443You cannot have alcoholism if the supply of alcohol is cut off, you cannot have hoarding and shopping addiction without a steady supply of plastic junk
>>2764429they primarily emanate from latam
>>2764443How many times do the proletariat have to show their naked nationalism and idiocy for you to discard them as the revolutionary subject?
Chinese are drug dealers and the drug is everything at Walmart and Target, yes, shopping addiction is their fault. Just as you hold not just the addict responsible but the dealer.
>>2764432>US puppet repeats US propaganda >The bourgeoisie having an ideology besides class interests means we should be anti-semitic nazisDrop dead /pol/tard
>>2764450The US has done far more damage to the world than Nazi Germany or Japan ever did
>>2764432Surprised she is still alive and how the war with Iran completely obviated any meaningful discussion regarding illegally invading and bombing Venezuela to kidnap a democratically elected leader
>>2764432The US literally carried out a fucking coup and flew helicopters with special forces into venezuela to do this and dumb goycattle like you will say it's le jews no matter what happens kek. I swear you faggots are lower than animals
You know you'd THINK that somebody who's been banned over a hundred times to the point where he pays actual money to get new VPNs to go around said bans only to be constantly berated by users who cant stand his shit would take that as a hint that maybe he's not welcome here and should devote his efforts somewhere that likes him rather than a place full of "militant anti-communists"?
>>2764456If you’re worried about nazism or antisemtism after three years of livestreamed jewish genocide you’re a zionist
>>2764458You are fucking STUPID holy shit
>>2764457We don't kinkshame here let him enjoy the humiliation
>>2764459Naziism is nothing more than a subculture like punk or metal, being worried about it is stupid, our government is far worse than any existing Nazi organization, including the Ukranian government
>>2764462geeeeeeg are you ukrainian
>>2764462You are stupid anon, stop replying until you stop being stupid
>>2764466The axis were the lesser evil in WWII and I’m tired of pretending otherwise, your own god (Bordiga) agreed
>>2764468That has nothing to do with the conversation, retard
>>2764470I don’t fucking care zio
>>2764415the only correct response to TRIF's concern trolling is to agree with him, and conclude that you will not fight imperialism, since it's not in your class interests. He never responds if you say that, which reveals that his entire goal is to extract a coerced "confession" rather than actually agitate for anti-imperialism.
>>2764472Because your tiny ciggy butt brain can't let you understand anything more complex than "jews bad" kek
>>2764477Jews aren’t bad because they’re non white or oriental interlopers subverting society, they’re bad because they’re the highest tier of white, white supremacy became tacky so to rescue itself it became jewish supremacy. Jews are the west’s Brahmin caste.
>>2764480Truly a Jewish negro analysis of zionist ideology, only a jewish negro like you could cone up with something so stupid
>>2764481I hope you flip your F350 into a highway barrier
>>2764455>noooooooo it has nothing to do with the jews it's just the talmudic states of goymerica that's to blamebruh
>>2764480>>2764483waiter, there doesn’t seem to be any class analysis in this leftist space
>>2764480Jews made white supremacy tacky so they could take over for themselves once they made white people too ashamed of being white.
>>2764486Race is class, so is caste if you’re in South Asia
The most "exploited" white is more spiritually bourgeois than the most wealthy BIPOC.
>>2764424>Relative advantage within a system does not eliminate contradictions with that system, and therefore does not rule out revolutionary behavior. So then you admit that American workers can still have revolutionary potential even if they aren't the poorest people in the world. Thanks.
>>2764489I hope you get ran over by cyclists
>>2764428You realize that the same has happened to the rest of the world, too, and so America's position relative to the world largely has not changed. Americans still benefit from imperialism.
>>2764415The bourgeoisie did not benefit from feudalism, it held them back, which is why they overthrew it.
>>2764493When did I say that Americans had no revolutionary potential? All I said is that they benefit from imperialism, materially, which is true.
>>2764493The other way to go is that workers everywhere are reactionary and it’s the third world’s petit bourgeois who are the only revolutionaries
>>2764486Grab a dictionary retard. Economic classes aren't the only classes. Economic considerations aren't the only considerations. Jews have entered their Messianic phase and they have accumulated enough power to make it a "you" problem.
Now there's only Jew vs Gentile. I know some jews don't want this fight. I know a lot of Gentiles are confused or traitorous. But the drive of what will become a race war is coming from Jews.
That's what's happening here. A jewish race war against non jews. Your economic bullshit is actually irrelevant.
Classes can simultaneously gain from a system and have reasons to overthrow it, when that system becomes a barrier to their further development. This is basic Marxism.
>>2764502How anyone can deny this after watching Gaza I’ll never understand
>>2764507I hope they shoot you
>>2764497>When did I say that Americans had no revolutionary potential? All I said is that they benefit from imperialism, materially, which is true.why would a beneficiary of the current system have revolutionary potential? It is contrary to Marx to state that any aggregate group will go against their class interests. This is why you are laying out a moralist philosophy rather than a plan of action. You don't want allies, you want confessions.
>>2764507>posting forced memes obese fast food eating losers over at /fit/ spam to heal their ego over their 56 BMI NGMI
>>2764502>>2764510reported
>>2764509>>2764513kek, the cyclist faggots got triggered
>>2764497>All I said is that they benefit from imperialism, materiallyProve that the American proletariat benefits. Prove Marx was wrong, that there is more than chains, and that there is no world for them to win, counter-revolutionary demoralizer.
>>2764429it got a lot easier with LLMs. they can push many mutually reinforcing forms of demoralization at the same time. Actual sincere posters will always get a negative reply "proving" they are wrong no matter what position they take on any given issue. This is even better because people never admit when they agree with each other on imageboards, they only admit when they disagree. Nobody backs each other up against the spammers, bots, and demoralizers, but everyone will fight those entities individually.
>>2764514Reported for what, you pathetic zionist worm?
cyclist faggots could never, cyclist faggots would rather bang their prostate on a seat than get roadhead
>>2764520nazi drivel
>in his unquenchable bloodlust, the zionist rabbi fantasized about murdering cyclists
Tracks with their ideology
>>2764517most reform Jews are white. The ashkenazi are descended from european khazars who converted.
quote one of my posts saying I want to murder cyclists
>>2764525They don't consider themselves white, and act in opposition to white interests. Race is not just skin deep.
At least the bloodthirsty zionist rabbi is self-aware
>>2764517“White” is an unscientific term that is defiend purely by subjective perspective.
“Whitened” and “blackened” can be applicable to anyone and anything.
>>2764527Bullshit, they use their whiteness and white privilege as a bludgeon against black and brown people
>>2764533Always have and always will. They will cry victim like the retard ITT. They’re just as white as the irish
It all makes sense now, the retard screeching about "muh jewish conspiracy" is a retarded pomo liberal
>>2764527I've met plenty of reform jews that consider themselves white. Not all Jewish people are deranged settlers. Some are just as normal as Lutherans.
>>2764526>>2764537Here’s a quote;
>”I want to murder cyclists and commit to being a car dependent nimby”>>2764540“Normal people” in an ideal form do not exist
Permaban all leftcoms
>>2764543ok, how about "normies" then. plenty of jewish people do hannukah and passover and nothing else, just like christians who do christmas and easter and nothing else.
>>2764543>>”I want to murder cyclists and commit to being a car dependent nimby”who are you quoting?
>>2764545Except the dutch-german ones. Especially not the dutch-german ones.
they are posting lietral /pol/ infographics now
>>2764546>ok, how about "normies" thenThat’s even worse to be honest
>>2764549You dumbss, who else?
>>2764555>You dumbss, who else?where? which post number?
>>2764511Yes, this is why there has been no revolution in the west, because Americans, broadly, benefit from imperialism and know this. There has to be a much more severe crisis before there can be a revolution, and such a crisis has yet to emerge from imperialism in America.
>some propaganda screenshots from twitter are facts
lol
Working class is a revolutionary class.
>>2764563Correction, the revolutonary class. The only one
>>2764560and since neither you nor I have a real incentive to risk/ruin our lives for a chance at starting that crisis, we're stuck waiting for it. You can talk shit all you want, you are not going to get yourself thrown in an american rape dungeon prison or deported to cecot for a 0.00001% chance to tip the first domino
If Americans benefit from imperialism, the expectation isn’t that they’ll eagerly overthrow it—it’s that they’ll tend to defend or accommodate it, unless and until the system stops delivering those advantages or creates deeper crises. The fact that Americans have never even attempted to overthrow imperialism means they benefit from it.
>>2764562making fun of retards that enjoy destroying their prostate and developing erectile disfunction while I get roadhead doesn't mean I want them dead
I want cyclists to be alive so that I can feel even better when I drive comfortably on muh truggg
>>2764572> the expectation isn’t that they’ll eagerly overthrow it—it’s that they’ll tend to defend or accommodate it,nice emdash, it seems you're more LLM than MLM
>>2764573>making fun of retards that enjoy destroying their prostate and developing erectile disfunction while I get roadhead doesn't mean I want them deadYou basically implied it. Also, why are you talking about prostates so much?
>>2764578no i didn't, you are just a schizo radlib that gets triggered at the sight of a vehicle, probably because you have PTSD after getting ran over time and time again
>why are you talking about prostates so much?because cycling destroys your prostate? it also causes you to develop erectile dysfunction. Men, or should I say "men" who use bycicle are transportation are slow turning themselves into eunuchs
>>2764579>because cycling destroys your prostate? it also causes you to develop erectile dysfunction. Men, or should I say "men" who use bycicle are transportation are slow turning themselves into eunuchsbased. cycling will make every AMAB sterile and shrink reserve army of labor while simultaneously providing gender affirming care to transwomen
>>2764579>no i didn'tYeah you did
>you are just a schizo radlib that gets triggered at the sight of a vehicleAutomobiles are bourgeois decadences.
>probably because you have PTSD after getting ran over time and time againAnd the biggest one of the biggest killers of the proletariat
>because cycling destroys your prostate? it also causes you to develop erectile dysfunctionSource it
>>2764587That’s about mental health you dumbfuck
>>2764585>MAGAtards are being psyopped or actively support ditching NATO because "it doesnt server their interests"never interrupt the enemy while they're making a mistake
IN BURSTS IRON FELIX TO REMIND EVERY PETTY BOURGEOIS MAGA CHUD THAT NATO ACTUALLY BENEFITS THEM Imagine watching Who Framed Roger Rabbit and cheering on the villains, that’s leftcom flag, total suburban burgerite, he proves third worldists right
>>2764585what the fuck is happening
>>2764587I have replaced by traditional bicycle seat with a toilet seat. will this protect my prostate?
>>2764591the rank and file VOOTER conservatives are isolationist because they think imperialism means giving endless "gibs" to brown third worlders so they oppose NATO and the UN and the IMF and the World Bank and everything else which helps the American haute bourgeoisie keep a strangehold on the developing world and future competitors
>>2764590Have you considered everyone in the room being wrong?
>>2764588>Say it isn’t so, but the health of your prostate impacts your mental health status. The connection may not seem obvious, but look at it this way: Mental health influences your behavior, thoughts, and feelings. Your physical health, namely a chronic condition involving the prostate, impacts your attitude and behavior, which influences your mental health. One condition directly affects the other.
>A man’s urological health can be a sensitive topic. When men have urological problems related to the prostate such as erectile dysfunction, benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), prostatitis, or prostate cancer, it makes sense their mental health status will be affected. Assessing a man’s mental health is paramount during the diagnosis and treatment of these conditions to reduce anxiety and depression.lrn 2 read
>>2764590You are just a lifestylist, imagine being a fucking faggot on a bike thinking you are le hekin revolutionary for pedaling your silly little toy to work
fucking LMAOing at your retarded ass
>>2764590this entire board is bots trained on acting as absurd strawmen for various positions arguing with each other. that one spamming schizo is right.
>>2764598My toy is less expensive and resource intensive than yours and doesn’t require a license or insurance, car owners are cucks to dealerships, mechanics, insurers, and their governments. You are Marcuse’s One Dimensional Man.
>You are just a lifestylist, imagine being a fucking faggot on a bike thinking you are le hekin revolutionary for pedaling your silly little toy to work
fucking LMAOing at your retarded ass
>imagine picking le bus and thinking you must be le revolutionary loooool just drive a car retard
this comment was sponsored by exxon mobil and probably a bot
>>2764586This is why you should just get a good TV and sound system and pirate movies
>>2764598>muh mental healthYeah, okay yimby killer
>>2764603>This is why you should just get a good TV >a good TV<TV<goodAmericans.
>>2764607Like the radio is any better
Do we just not have mods anymore?
>>2764591Goymericans are extremely mad Europeans don't want any part of the shit sandwich they cooked up in the Middle East.
>>2764610I kinda want them in the shit sandwich
>>2764609What would be the point? Why bother?
>>2764601>dealershipsbought used
>mechanicswrenchlet retard
>insurersdrivers having insurance is a good thing, retard
>govermentsLMAO at this retard thinking he is le hekin V for Vendetta resistance for ridign a fucking toy
>>2764614You give your money to your government multiple times a year for emissions, license renewal
>>2764614ONE
DIMENSIONAL
MAN
>>2764616and in exchange I don't risk my life in the event of a collision with another vehicle
sounds good to me.
>>2764619You literally do that anyways though
>>2764617>my silly little toyA bus is a silly little toy?
>while I use dozens of kilograms of plasticNo one is talking about this on the individual scale
>>2764617you are a epstein apologist, you are a hitlerite chauvinist, you are a exxon mobil / BP / shell LLM dedicated to shit this thread, you deserve to be in the mass ditches dug by beria/yehzov/bloikhin during ww2 instead of constantly shitting threads
behind your "left-communist" flag only the flag of national socialist disdain for minorities is on you. i hope you fucking stab yourself into a pike and get impaled
>>2764609It's better without them
>>2764607i'm saying if you're going to bother with entertainment slop at all. it was in response to someone complaining about movie ticket prices. you never miss an opportunity to miss the point
>>2764625He's obviously some sort of agent.
>>2764625Wrong. You are KKK grand dragon
>>2764571that shut him up
>>2764625>>2764624>You literally do that anyways thoughand? i am not the delusional retard thinking minor changes in my way of life actually stop capitalism, what's next, you are going to suggest to eat less meat too? buying less clothes? fucking lifestylist lmao
>A bus is a silly little toy?you taking the bus doesn't harm capitalism in any way, if anything, your boss is glad you use the bus because your transportation to your work center is now cheaper, there is a reason neoliberal governments love pushing for buses and bycicles
>>2764628>the witch hunt has startedlol you know they are mentally broken at this point
>>2764625meds retard
>>2764632You’re literally making yourself poorer for no reason by owning a vehicle, but you cannot see it because you are Marcuse’s One Dimensional Man, fully acclimated and assimilated into the system, you are its greatest soldier
>>2764634the same logic can be applied to retards like you, when cyclists get ran over, and they do, a lot, you have to spend dozens of thousands in medical bills, you end with life-lasting effects, all because you are a fucking hhippie lifestylist that think riding a fucking toy on the street inbetween buses is le hekin revolutionary
>fully acclimated and assimilated into the systemLMAO at this fucking delusional retard
>>2764636The JDPON will rape you and i will sell you to them for six months off mining duty
>>2764639nice revenge fantasy
>>2764632>>2764629hey fatass american, pick a bus or atleast walk instead of driving a grand SUV, oh wait… you are a amerikkkan contrarian, you must bash on people partaking on individual changes while discarding the effects of automobile and transit industry into polluting the world, and the capitalist system and production and its management of global envirovment.
you are spiritually american, subsequently spiritually israeli and spiritually canadian, you is a parasite just as the canadian mining companies displacing indigenous tribes in brazil. and american oil companies waging war agaisnt venezuelans and iranians, you are a microimperialist, fucking DIE
flood detected >>2764568or it's just how you were raised and you never thought about it that deeply tbh
>>2764641>spirits and ghoststhoroughly and irrecoverably spooked
>>2764562Motorists are servants of the fossil capital class. Cycling is the most radical way to fight capitalism there is because it's a rejection of oil which is the blood of capital.
>partaking on individual changeskek, fucking hippie lifestylists, whatever individual action you take to "fight" capitalism are fucking useless, you and your silly little bike are IRRELEVANT
>>2764646>"I am a hekinn revolutionary like Lenin because I ride my silly little toy!"Imagine believing this lmao
>>2764649You will be my slave when climate change renders agriculture an impossibility
>>2764632>you taking the bus doesn't harm capitalismNeither does your efforts to individualize the discussion
I’m going to take your vehicle away from you and you will do NOTHING
>>2764652>when climate change renders agriculture an impossibilityclimate change will cause a lot of deaths in our lifetime but it will not necessarily render agriculture an impossibility
>>2764652We have already been through this before, you are a delusional fucking retard
>>2764653lifestyleism
>>2764656I am not claiming to be le hekin revolutioonary
>>2764657you will do shit but seethe online and breathe car fumes everyday on your way to work
>ange will cause a lot of deaths in our lifetime but it will not necessarily render agriculture an impossibility >>2764661Then take off the flag
>>2764661>I am not claiming to be le hekin revolutioonaryTrust me, that’s apparent
>>2764663Are you retarded? Explain to me how the leftcom flag stands for voluntarysm and lifestyleism
go ahead, quote any left communist text that states riding a bycicle or taking the bus is revolutionary
fucking retard
>>2764663Let him keep it, it's like a dunce cap, makes him easy to see.
>>2764666Because that was bordigite program. You are racist bordigite. You are epstein
>>2764664wait, so you belive riding a bycicle is actually revolutionary?
>>2764673No you fucking dunce
>>2764674then the discussion is over, cyclists in this thread are fucking stupid and I can add another line to my internet arguments won checkboard
>>2764673In order to be a revolutionary you need to be physically fit, driving a car is a sedentary activity, you are on your ass the whole time, peddling a bike builds cardio and burns fat, something you’re allergic to as an amerifat
>>2764673Not riding your cruiser around the lake, but yeah, if you bike commute to work or for errands it is probably the most revolutionary thing that a burger can do. 100%
>>2764292Not being able to convert internal party structure directly into external ballot control doesn't mean political parties are illegal. Democrats and Republicans get random outsiders, grifters, and cranks primarying under their label all the time but they have enough ways to filter them out that it isn't a problem. Endorsement or condemnation by party leadership, aligned unions, and other affiliated organizations should be enough, but even if it isn't the party can still decide you don't get access to their campaign resources. It reads like the author is approaching things backwards, trying to win elections to build a party rather than having a base that can support a party which can win elections. I don't know how else you'd end up in a situation where you can't find literally anyone capable and willing to run in a local district because all six of your good candidates live somewhere else.
>>2764676They’re not fucking stupid either you actual lobotomite
>>2764681yes tehy are you fucking retard, just read
>>2764677 >>2764676Your rape will be justice for gaza and the world
>>2764678delusional lifestylist
>>2764673>automobile>atomizes the individual by putting them in a box>makes the individual a slave to oil pricesMotorists are the reactionary element in the present day. Car drivers are all fascists and will get the wall.
>>2764684keep seething like the impotent retard you are
>>2764686see
>>2764685 >>2764581(he can't reply to this for some reason)
>>2764685i thought it was cringe when I caught you arguing with yourself under a vpn, but this support for inherently reactionary car culture takes the cake in your long history of shit takes
>>2764683How about you go fucking read for once instead smooth brain
>>2764687>>2764685>cant argue<resort to namecalling>leftcom flag butthurt over "cyclists and stylists"epsteinite asshurt mogged by big black africans like sankara and big eyebrow soviet brezhnev, while trying to defend big oil/big SUV treatlerism.
just pack bags to /pol/ bro you would fit well there
>>2764693you are both LLMs so he will reply to you instead of the actual correct counter arguments
>>2764671hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW invading the UK like bordiga wanted would have helped socialism in the long run, you are eternal anglo
>>2764696nah just trolling him
>>2764689look, it's very fucking simple, if you believe individual actions can cause great effects on capitalism, you are a retard idealist adventurist lifestylist. There is nothign to reply, people taking the bus won't abolish capitalism.
>b-but le hekin traffic jams le hekin pollution le hekin commuunityliberal drivel, I am a communist, not a liberal, I don't give a shit abouut your liberalism
>>2764690I have never used a VPN
>inherently reactionary car culturefucking lifestylist lmao, keep thinbking your silly little toy makes you revolutionary, you can't even begin to comprehend how intellectually superior I am to you just because of this single issue, you are a liberal
>>2764691I read every single post about this topic and I have proved you hippie lifestylists wrong multiple times
>>2764693I already made my point clear, if you belive riding a toy on the streets is revolutionary, you are a lifestylist, and idealist, a retard, go ahead, prove mee wrong, you won't
>>2764700>just trollingat the end of the day, you are the one who got triggered over an image, see
>>2764489 I literally won
>>2764703>I read every single post about this topic I don’t fucking care. Go read some fucking theory.
Samefag
>>2764703From your post all I can say is happy 12th birthday
>>2764703>I already made my point clear, if you belive riding a toy on the streets is revolutionary, you are a lifestylist, and idealist, a retard, go ahead, prove mee wrong, you won't>>2764653 (You)
>>2764581see this exxon mobil
>>2764708you didnt won shit bruh you is larping online and laughing at everyone while pissed over yourself
>>2764679>Democrats and Republicans get random outsiders, grifters, and cranks primarying under their label all the time but they have enough ways to filter them out that it isn't a problemNot necessarily, there's no legal mechanism to get rid of the undesirables, and it varies by state. California Washington and Alaska don't even have (non-presidential) party primaries, all the candidates run against each other in a Jungle Primary where non-establishment non-aipac candidates have an advantage
>>2764515Real wage data of imperialism. Gas prices between amerika and everyone else. Lenin demonstrated that all euroamerikans are colonizer labor aristocrat in his demographic calculation of imperialism.
https://www.marxists.org/archive//lenin//works/1915/ni-misc/notes-nations.htm you are baby blood drinking yank
>>2764725one USD buys you more gas outside the U.S than in it
>>2764710post any theory that states that riding a fucking bycicle is revolutionary and not just some hippie lifestylist drivel
go ahead retard
you won't
>>2764714>see this exxon mobilYou use dozens of kilograms of plastic eevery month you fucking idiot, riding your silly little toy on the streets doesn't make you a "revolutionary agent" against Exxon mobil
fucking clown lmao
>you didnt won shitI literally proved that your PTSD little brain will go berserk at a picture of a vehicle and that your entire way of thinking is controlled by "feel good" liberal lifestylism policies
your fucking bycicle isn't revolutionary, the bycicle industry is an 84.25 billion dollar industry that exploit workers in Taiwan that weld hundreds of bike frams a day.
>b-but it's not as le big as le car indusutryfucking IRRELEVANT you retarded Lassallean
>>2764703You would have called people who refused to own slaves in the 1830s lifestylist kek
>>2764729You would have believed that refusing to won slaves would magically end systemic slavery kek
Besides, Imagine thinking driving a car is equal to owning a slave, the lengths at which lifestylists have to reach to defend their pathetic ideology
>>2764733one USD will buy me more gasoline in mexico than in texas this is just a fact, dollars are worth more outside the US than inside it
>>2764728>post any theory that states that riding a fucking bycicle is revolutionary and not just some hippie lifestylist drivelYou would already know there isn’t any if you had read any, dumbfuck. Hit the fucking books.
>>2764740>"You should read theory" (as in, you should read theory that defends my point)<okay, post it>"Umm, there is none, I am just repeating liberal driven about mass transit being.. LE GOOD, and if you point out how stupid this is, you are a theorylet"good fucking job dumbass.
>>2764744The JDPON will slit your throat in front of your family and they’ll celebrate
>>2764728>You use dozens of kilograms of plastic eevery month you fucking idiot, riding your silly little toy on the streets doesn't make you a "revolutionary agent" against Exxon mobilIf we go in detail, plastic is a derivate of petroleum industry, effectively plastic atleast can be recycled instead of refining, the industry of plastic production averages 651 billions USD, while the automobile and petrol industry which cannot be recycled and its consumption controlled averages more than 1,5 trillion USD, reaching 4 trillion. essentially one industry still manages to have more effect than others, your choice of consumption does not affect the production structure of capitalism, but it is clear one industry can be phased out and actively seeks to harm the world knowing how the petrol industry affects everything and can easily be phased
>bycicle industries exploit workers in southeast asia please consider leee workerimosYour picking of a US colony is irrisory and absolutely stopped, and so the production of any commodity on capitalism will essentially have exploitation of labour and human value, i can pick the example of near slave conditions involved on the expansion of eletric vehicle industries in brazillian northeast.
As a vague imbecile that you are, you would rather criticize the people partaking on action and ignore the superstructure of culture, production and relations of class that capitalism partake, essentially your critiques are devoid of materialism, but leftcoms ditched materialism and critical thought since they are idealistic rabble that seek to shape countries on their model, disregarding the reality and situation.
>>2764751>b-but this form of capitalism is more ETHICAL! so it's BETTER!pathetic liberal drivel
>the people partaking on action and ignore the superstructure of culture, production and relations of class that capitalism partakeyou can label your lifestylist liberal drivel as revolutionary and use big boy words, but at the end, your bycicle is an irrelevant toy and you riding it like a retard doesn't change a single bit, your
>>2764703(he didn't reply to the scientific demonstration that cars make traffic take longer, he just complained about lifestylism again)
>cars make traffic longer
and? why shouuld I give a fuck about making transportation to and from the work centers more efficient?
>>2764766Your family will breathe a sigh of relief as you draw your last breath, free forever from the burden that is your presence
>>2764066The us will fall like babylon, what this means is that the american people angered by tumps misconduct will welcome canadian trops through the streets of washington and celebrate them as heros and mark carney will become the next cyrus
>>2764781Wrong, it will be Claudia Sheinbaum
>>2764777Now he’s just celebrating hit and run, absolute criminal lumpen, need to die
>>2764782Fuck your right… and trans people will be the jews yes claudia will rebuild stonewall (or whatever is the lgbtq version of the second temple)
>>2764787
cite any materialist text that states riding a fucking bike is the real movement that abolishes the present state of things.
you won't
Absolutely unsurprising that this Zionist rabbi derailed the thread by listing over mens’ prostates
>>2764790Almost like they have a habit of hit and runs, like in Harlem
>>2764794>>2764785>>2764790>says the retard celebrating a baby getting ran overfucking DELUSIONAL
>>2764761Again, complaining about lifestylism is inherently devoid of materialist or marxist analysis, while you will complain about lifestylism or "ethical capitalism" you will not adress EVER the looming extinction often promoted by exploitation of petrol, automobile and transport industry and capitalist relations of class and resource exploitation, ITT you explicitly argued about individual/personal actions, and waged a discussion over individual choices, you opportunistically talk about exploitation done by the "ethical industry" while discarding any materialist or structural analysis of capitalism and labour exploitation, you would rather lash on workers and humans instead of directly attacking existing capitalist system.
Socialist countries actively expanded infraesctuture and public transport historically, since capitalist relations mostly do not exist, neither were the incentives to promote class based exploitation and capital production, as result those workers are much less exploited and have better conditions,, link also with soviet urban planning and reform of planning in socialist countries.
>>2764797That’s you, charging people rent and running over their kids then blackmailing Jesse Jackson
>>2764799>you will not adress EVER the looming extinction often promoted by exploitation of petrol, automobile and transport industry and capitalist relations of class and resource exploitationirrelevant when you yourself take part of industries that engage in the same effects, you are just selectively chosing to highlight the effects of the car industry while purposely ignoring the rest of the capitalism economy
Food, clothing, energy, medicine, the entertainment indsutry, buying shit from China do as a much harm as the car industry, yet you still consume food, dress, consume electricity, go to the medic and so on and so on, but since you are a liberal lifestylist retard, you believe youu can do away with "harmful" capitalism and be a good consumer that cycles like a good boy to work and that somehow, by doing this, you have resolved the major contradictions of capitalism
>Socialist countriesnot a single socialist country has ever existed you reetarded jewish negro
>>2764789It's self-evident to anyone who isn't a fascist motorist
>>2764804your response is unmarxist, devoid of materialism and full of idealism/spooks and reactionary
>>2764805>it's self evidentno it isn't, you are just a stupid liberal hippie
>>2764807> while bashing and wishing running over cyclistscite me when I did this
>partaking on individual attacks of personal consumer choiceskek, so consumers of child porn deserve respect to? I can absolutely judge consumer choices you fucking hypocrite, specially when you are doing it yourself, fucuking moron
>back to /pol/modern /pol/ has been infected with Kaczyzm anti-indusutrial reactionarism drivel, you will be right at home defending the "volkcycle" with them, retard
>>2764809big boy words won't change the fact that you are a delusional lifestylist
>>2764585>>2764591I meant to post this when Hegseth was showing off his retarded "Greater America" idea, but I think part of Fascist psychology is this obsession with "national humiliation" followed by "national rejuvenation" but it isn't in a materially sound sense, it needs to be "blatant" in a way.
Like let's say, for example, you've got a small business owner who gets pulled over for some traffic stop and told to pay a fine. Bourgeois logic is that the fine is an insignificant amount that's more or less a fee to do what they want. But this small business owner is enraged by the idea that anyone is taking "his" money. It doesn't matter if he can easily pay it and go on about his day, he won't accept it. So he does something stupid, he escalates and escalates, and then likely ends up in jail all because he's too miserly to pay a fine. The consequences of being in jail for a month or so are far worse than if he just paid the fine, but to him paying said fine is psychologically humiliating.
Fascists see "greater nation" projects as a kind of brute force way of reversing decline, even if economically and geopolitically nothing can be further from the truth. It's like a guy in denial of his broken leg trying to run a marathon, damaging the leg even more in the process. "See?! How could my leg be broken if I can run like this?!"
They genuinely don't recognize that NATO is a net benefit to American Imperialism, because the only data point they see is "OUR money being sent THERE!" They can't even recognize the Euros as our vassals because they still have at least some semblance of independence and wont follow us in a murder-suicide pact. Hence retards like Trump and Pete Hegseth are more enamored by "Greater America" where our flag covers everything from Greenland and Canada down to Panama. "Let's just take the countries and rule them directly!" That feels more "real" to them than a network of military bases and alliances.
>>2764811Honestly, why do you hate bicycles so much? Did you never learn? Are you unable to balance?
Or is your heart just clouded with anger…?
>>2764810>modern /pol/ has been infected with Kaczyzm anti-indusutrial reactionarism drivel, you will be right at home defending the "volkcycle" with them, retardso you actively frequented /pol/ and got driven out by being more retarded than them, so you went to lash out here on leftypol?
>>2764812Fascists tend to be low intelligence
>>2764813I literally won several 4x races on my Giant STP, I bet you can't even barspin
I hate retards, specially retards that think riding a bycicle to work make them better than anybody or makes them revolutionaries
>>2764814Why did you implyi I should go back to /pol/ then? are you implying you knwo whhat /pol/ is like because you lurk it yourself?
this is the second time you have acused me of doing something you yourself are doing aswell, you don't seem very intelligent
>>2764585This is standard small capitalist politics lmao. US won't become any less imperialist if it exits NATO.
>>2764818>I literally won several 4x races on my Giant STPproof?
>>2764824>doxx urselfnice try
>>2764825wow, are those all reservations??
>>2764829I don't care, I don't have a parasocial relationship with anybody here
at the end of the day, you are an idealist lifestylist for thinkg cycling makes a difference
>>2764828No, Osage is a reservation. The others are now tribal statistical areas that are like reservations with their own cops and some casinos.
>>2764830relax infantile im not the cyclist cuck you were bickering with
>>2764844I’ve got a buddy who’s part Choctaw. IIRC I think that tribe, like the Cherokee, were part of the “Five Civilized Tribes” that assimilated to Anglo-Saxon culture and intermarried with White people.
PONDI FIRED
RIP BOZO
THE DOW IS NO LONGER FIFTY THOU
>>2764828currently there is a lot of political back and forth between the govorner of oklahoma, the oklahoma supreme court, and the north easter tribes over treaties and sovereignty.
AFAIK the tribes were determined to have the right to police themselves in the areas that was drafted up in an old treaty, but the governor just doesn't care.
There may have been new developments but it seems like every year there's something big that happens, which consequentially never gets implemented.
>t. oklahomie >>2764850Pretty much every Indian that landed in Oklahoma ended up assimilating very heavily. My friend is one of like 10,000 comanche princes, because his great great great great grandfather raped a ton of white settlers.
>>2764865>princesBahahaha
>>2764728only on leftypol can you find a communist retarded enough to hate bicycles
>>2764939back in the day Leninhat (a.k.a Phil Greaves) was anti-bicycle and pro-car
based transports (faster than cars)
bus
train
plane
cringe transports (slower than cars)
bicycles
walking
>>2764965i didnt know leninhat was phil greaves. did red kahina also posted on leftypol?
>>2764977Most of the leftist "notables" have probably posted here at least once
>>2764852>right to police themselvesThey do. I live on Muscogee land and I see their cops all the time. If there's a crime between nation members then it becomes federal and not state. The dept of interior told Cherokee Nation they had to share the land with UKB cos they were here first but idk, both in Talequah. Not current on the rest.
>>2764728You're the best argument I can think of for flag filters.
>>2764939mexican bike haters are usually seething and coping because they're too poor to afford to live in mexican urban areas where biking is extremely convenient and frequently faster than any other means of transport (15min vs 30-45min during peak hours), so now you know
>>2765012you have a parasocial relationship with me, seek help, you are obsessed
>>2764996>>2764939you are just an illiterate retard, this is your problem, not mine, maybe if you were able to actually read the english language, you'd be able to actually understand what is being discussed instead of seething like a retard
>>2765013it's my first post in this thread, but it seems i nailed it
I'm so tired of these retards with main character syndrome on here spamming their shitty takes.
Used to be jannies would take care of it but they've adopted the 4chan "live and let live" attitude which is what destroyed the site
>>2765016sorry to burst your buubble anon, but in Mexico City, the only people who cycle are people who live in the city center, the wealthy areas aren't in the city center they are on the west periphery
I like how you pretend to know what you are talking about to try and get a cheap gotcha, sadly it never works.
You should drink mezcal until your liver and kidneys give out you parasite
>>2764751>>2764733And why are petroleum products so cheap and common in America?
IMPERIALISM!
>>2765024you live on the northern suburbs, guaranteed. enjoy your 4 hour daily commute.
>>2765032so is it ecatepec?
>>2765035You are trying so hard to learn more about me, thinking that will finally let you have your silly little internet argument victory against me, while I don't care about you at all, how does that make you feel?
The fact that Claudia Sheinbaum hasn’t cut your head off on TV is a condemnation of Mexican society
>>2765041we aren't having an argument, you are being triggered by my online presence
>>2765043>the fact that a neoliberal rat hasn't cut off the head of communists on live TV is a condmenation of Mexican societythe state of the board
>>2765040all of your posts come across as extremely butthurt
>>2765044Pure projection.
We should bring the aztec empire back so your throat can be slit and your blood used to summon the sun, it would be more productive than your posts
Just stop responding to the fucking leftcom flag, holy shit. He's just shitting up the board.
Crazy how I give no fucks that retards want to ride their silly little toy to work, yet when you remind them such behaviour doesn't pose any threat to capitalism, they go berserk.
Is the "fight againts capitalism" your identity? do you define yourself as a "revolutionary"? I bet these retards think shitposting online is praxis too lol.
>>2765053Listen to this man, not because I am not shitting up the board (I am not, I did not start this argument) but because non of you fucking retards have been able to provide any susbtantial theories as to why riding you little bike to work is revolutionary.
I know for a fact you’re Felix posting the opposite of what you used to because it stopped getting (you)s, which are your cocaine, your heroin
>I know for a fact that you are actually another person with whim I also have a parasocial relationship
holy kek, he is really a looney
>>2765054You're the one continuing to make logical fallacies against the self-evident revolutionary nature of the bicycle. As well as stooping to repeated ad hominem
>>2765060I see felix mentioned a lot but I'm not aware of the lore. Is he a youtuber or something
only 600 more days
Lmao you nerds see the specter of Felix absolutely everywhere now.
>>2765077is that the blonde aryan jak getting posted on twitter
The entire western hemisphere needs to be nuked from orbit
>>2765060holy mental illness
>>2765088Holy shit. I bet kegsbreath runs with scissors, too.
>>2764739wrong. Gas costs more $/gallon in mexico than amerika. Mexico import 70% of gasoline from amerika
Want people to stop being parasocial with you? Quit posting, or at the very least, take off the flag
Pam Blondi is gone. Spiderkash is next.
>>2765115Spiderkash has job security (blackmail)
>>2765113They should take their meds
i have a parasocial relationship with lenin
>>2764733>Haiti: 4.269>Israel: 8.718materialist explanation?
>>2765077>you nerdschanging it from waffentwerps to nerds won't make us not realize it's you evan
>>2765117You have no power to make them do that, you do have the power to take the flag off and stop celebrating hit and runs
>>2765119haiti=imperialist oppressors
israel=exploited third worlders
I am very smart.
>>2765127Because they don't want to talk about the fact that Americans benefit from Imperialism.
>>2765129What does that have to do with bicycles?
>>2765129Gas prices are ending that
>>2765127the alternative is talking about american "politics"
>>2765129You will never be argentinian
>>2765129But not bicycles. There used to be a bike in every garage and now we have fuckall.
>>2765128So what porn does he fap to?
>>2765141Or trick riding, hands free without a helmet and making your own ramps
>>2765145The theme song is the plotline, just like Gilligan's Island.
>>2765127Some retard thought I was American and wished me death by rollover on an F350 and I trolled him by saying I preffer lowered trucks
Not even mememing, this is the state of mental illness mods have allowed in this thread.
>>2765150Why do you hate bicycles so much?
>>2765154Read the thread, that was already deboonked
>>2765150Forgot muh image
Why does the Mexican always insist on posting like a single poster here likes him?
>>2765165Im not saying he likes he, he is obssessed with me.
>>2765166No one is obsessed with you. You're just insisting on making every thread about you.
>>2765131You seem delusional. Euroamerikans have lowest gas prices in the world thanks to imperialism
>>2765088These guys aren't very smart huh
Suicides were already really bad in the military and now they're gonna skyrocket
>>2765154he thinks bikes are emasculating
Please start posting more on lemmy, theres no narcissistic mysteriously unbannable leftcoms in there.
>>2765168He wants to have as many info on me, he already memorized that I am a welder too
>>2765119BOG. Haiti import all its gasoline from amerika and the zionist entity refineries are bombarded
>>2765084Hey you mind if I steal this meme?
Gonna build a collection and airdrop it to a mexican chick to make her mentally unwell, then months later date her, and convince her to peg me to relieve the pent up anger from those memes.
Putting together a new group project IRL
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266701002300079363% of litter is unintentional or a product of things like wind, rain, runoff, falling out of the trash truck, etc
which shows the limits of anti-litter messaging that makes it an individual action issue
which is important to think about if we're going to have a group doing litter clean up and using that as an outreach/recruitment/agitprop angle
couple of angles I'd think are decent: connection to the land, corporations produce the litter ('litter as advertising'), the need for more jobs programs that entail keeping these spaces clean, while also using the optics to really hammer in the DSA as a local caretaker, people who care deeply inspire others to care deeply which creates a mandate which can be used to advance other means later (ie electoral ends). would be strong material for the social media and recruitment. both photos of us doing the cleaning, the trash gathered, as well as more nature shots and natural landscapes in general, since ultimate one of our biggest enemies is the developer/land owner class
>>2765186Reminder: Houdini talks to cops like a bitch.
Don't talk to police.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJwKLjMnZsThey say the ZOGbots are lacing up their boots. So how soon do you think they'll be on the ground?
>>2765197when I was arrested I was held for 6 hours without knowing why I was arrested, only when I talked to the detective did I learn why, and now my comrades are using the fact that I talked to the detective, something I had really little choice in the matter, to attack me, it's very disheartening and I think intentionally demoralizing, it was a 5 minute conversation that I was incredibly selective about what I said in, I didn't snitch on anyone or tell anyone shit. I really only asked two questions: what am I being arrest for, and how much do I need to pay to get out of jail so I can go to work tomorrow? I was read my arrest warrant, told I was labeled as a radical "anarcho-communist" in their system, and told I would not be given bond until I was in front of a judge. None of this information was given to me until I talked to the detective, the state simply refused. I feel like the people who are attacking me about this either don't understand how these things work or are intentionally being malicious in-order to demoralize me.
It's like anti-solidarity and it's not cool. You were not in my position and you shitting on me helps no one. I've reposted that same exact video brother, but being in the situation vs sitting at your desk talking shit are two different things.
doing the fascists work for them.
>>2765196the hysteria about littering and recycling trash is just a way to turn environmentalism into a matter of individual personal responsibility rather than the systemic issue that it really is. instead of talking about the real problem of industrial capitalists spewing greenhouses gases and carcinogens into the environment, we talk about everyday citizens throwing their beer cans and cigarette butts out the window, instead of focusing on real genuine health hazards and climate destruction we focus on the aesthetic problem of trash thrown on the ground making an unsightly mess.
Artemis II is conducting its Trans-Lunar Injection burn in 30 minutes.
>>2765205nobody on here is your real comrade. you're literally talking to robots and trolls. don't get your feelings hurt by what they say. learn from your mistakes IRL and move on.
>>2765208That's true but littering is still bad mmkay.
Actual solution is more public trashcans though.
>>2765210They're making the moon trans???
>>2765214Trans for errrbody folx.
>>2765210is that what they mean by dei?
i don't give a fuck the USA "is going back to the moon". that is not a big deal anymore and i'm not gonna be gaslit into thinking that it is. fuck all the news spam trying to meme this into being a big deal
>>2765211I literally am housed because of the solidarity people here have shown me, so unfortunately for me I'm going to continue to act in good faith in the hopes that others will as well. it's the only way to make these spaces worth using, otherwise I'm better off talking politics with Deepseek. I joined the DSA because a comrade from here invited me to the local chapter meeting brother, you should hold your community to higher standards.
>>2765208yeah this is why i've been thinking a lot about the neoliberal messaging behind anti-littering campaigns and the focus on shaming the individual for doing so, certainly that's played out. When I see litter I think advertising tbh, an old mcdonalds bag? that's literally a billboard. If we're going to use community clean up as a propaganda tool, the messaging has to be aligned with the working classes owning the means of production, so that's a challenge, but something to consider for sure. cigerette companies are already force to pay for healthcare, why can't we force coke to pay for the clean up of their cans? or circle k for the clean up of all of these polar pop cups? obviously we can't without shattering the current system but the propaganda heightens the contradictions which is a start, since we ultimately do want to shatter the current system
>>2765217Show us your bare stomach
>>2765217I support space travel (via NASA and international cooperation, not SpaceX/etc) and going back to the moon is a good first step but it doesn't have any bearing on what's going on now.
>>2765222>I support space travel Why tho? In what way?
>>2765214The moon is mythologically female.
>>2765224Who's the father?
>>2765227Scientific innovations, potential expansion of resources, and because it's cool and inspires people.
>>2765237Have you been living under a rock for your entire (very short) life?
Fuck science and fuck scientists, everything bad is your fault
>>2765217The smartest democrat i know was butthurt because "amerika shouldnt do space travel during war because its a waste"
Holy shit a trans luna just flew over my house!
>>2765242All of this money could have been used to bomb iranian elementary schools, what a waste
>>2765246It could've paid for over a million doses of trans luna injections for earthlings.
>>2765088Hopefully some generals and admirals get fragged.
Space is so fucking gay
>>2765258looks like there won't be an officers coup
>>2765258>>2765259I kind of wonder what the point of this purge right now is? Like if I had to guess maybe they told Hegseth that a ground invasion of Iran is infeasible and Pete figured they were woke pussies afraid of a few people dying? Thats my best guess.
They're saying that they did a double tap strike on the bridge so they could kill the EMTs and firefighters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_tap_strike>>2765262That's what people are saying
>>2765262and mine is that they're removing anyone who might be inclined and able to lead a counter-coup
>>2765262the awful fucking speech was probably some sort of breaking point and some people started breaking rank irt boot on the ground
>>2765262A desperate attempt to save face plus Trump just misses firing people I guess
>>2765119All those taxes that goes to Haredi welfare queens
>>2765281What if it was an inside job, but they intended him to get hit? They just wanted another Zapruder film to keep showing everyone./
>>2765257The earth is homosexual?
>>2765281What's up with the agent's posture? He's so crouched moving the reporters he doesn't have to drop too far during the pop off. I still think a teleprompter shard grazed his ear.
>>2765233There is no potential “expansion of resources here”. No one is excited about a long overdue shitty moon flyby under an administration causing empire collapse.
>>2765281funny how this got forgotten after the news put up the pictures
>>2765289Because without him getting his brains splattered it's just a very disappointing cock-tease.
Would be really cool if it really happens.
>>2765281How did his hole in his ear heal back up?
>>2765288>>2765233>>2765227>>2765222Space is just a cover for the military-industrial complex. Trump's spacism is just handouts to his backers and signaling on the international stage that the USA is still strong.
>>2765294Why does she want credit for a 'scoop' during war when that makes her a target and who would share intel with someone so unhinged?
>>2765299These stupid people are boring. To hell with them all.
>>2765302They're both fucked in the head and need a brain transplant.
>>2765281This would have been the 21st century version of the JFK assassination if it succeeded.
>>2765293Anon you know America existed before Trump right?
Do you really want to seriously argue the space race wasn't a positive?
>>2765310The contribution of the US in the space race was supposedly landing on the moon which is disputed
Anyone else unable to make a new thread?
>>2765296Ego is a hell of a drug
People act like landing on the moon again will convince the conspiracy nuts, lol. Probably not even taking them personally to the moon would convince them.
Stalin murdered Bukharin
>>2765329The moon is already a solar powered graphics card so build ur data centers there.
>>2765329It's stupid as all hell. It's not like in the movies where they are too cheap to fake low G all the time. You can't even walk normal on the moon:
>>2765314You have to hop everywhere and your would be tipping over all the time. Obviously nobody is ever going to live on the moon. It's just a stupid fantasy to sell nerds to get them to support the gubmint.
trum fired pam bondi or something who cares
Really the only thing the moon is good for is stunts and space tourism. Enjoy seeing Charli XCX, and Hasan Piker or some shit on some billionaire moon visit 20 years from now.
>>2765333in the distant future, they will build permenent super structures on it
>>2765264Did they really put a slightly flaccid penis in between the towers?
>>2765213>but littering is still bad mmkay.is it really that bad though? thinking beyond sensationalist news stories about microplastics and dolphins getting beer can rings stuck on their noses, most of this human litter is pretty benign, it just sits there on the ground doing nothing and wild animals just look at it like it's part of the scenery. if it stays in the environment and never breaks down for millions of years then it's probably very chemically inert in which case it's not really going to have an effect on anything around it.
>>2765410this is what they fear
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