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The temporal development of capitalism consistently produces results that resemble socialism, but without the equality. Progressive deskilling and automation tends toward a situation where service positions are the only jobs available, functioning as an equalizer for the proletariat and an enricher for the bourgeoisie.

Skilled labour is alienated into machines, which then impress these abilities against man. Marx talks about this in the Grundrisse. Its shocking today how people imagine that AI appropriating artistic skill isnt part of the same process of social efficiency, where individual craftsmanship is substituted for mass production.

>>2766267
> Progressive deskilling and automation tends toward a situation where service positions are the only jobs available
china is more automated than the US but still produces commodities. no. imperialist outsourcing of productive capital did what you described.

>>2766452
China will begin to outsource production or else they will fall into crisis.

>>2766454
china is further along than the USA was when the USA deindustrialized, and still hasn't deindustrialized. why?

>>2766501
China still has a massive reserve army of labor in agriculture that have not yet been proletarianized. In general, it still makes more sense for Chinese investors to outsource to Xinjiang and Xizang than to outsource to other countries.

>>2766454
Outsorourcing only make sense if the commodity can be made cheaper elsewhere, but china is already the cheapest place for manufacturing

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>>2766454
China’s 15th Five-Year Plan is explicitly pro-manufacturing.
"The real economy cannot be lost" - Xi Jinping

Xi’s slogan means Beijing is now extending state support to sectors once deemed outdated like steel, machinery and textiles. They will continue to build an industrial system backed by subsidies and political orders.


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>>2766745
We used to build things.

>>2766745
Why would they need to focus an entire plan towards that? Are tou implying they perhaps, outsourced?

>>2766700
China is not the cheapest, not by any stretch

>>2766267
yes in many ways monopolization has already done a lot of work for socialists. If you nationalized the tope fortune 500 companies youd basically have everything already ready to run a planned socialist economy

>>2766267
>The temporal development of capitalism consistently produces results that resemble socialism, but without the equality
well (scientific, Marx-Lenin derived) socialism isn't about equality per se, but about winning the bulk of the class struggle (I say bulk because class struggle actually continues under Socialism, according to Lenin) and establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat that will eventually lead to a withering away of the state. It does not purport to solve, for instance, idpol struggles, or even to treat the ex-bourgeoisie and workers as equals. Under the Bolsheviks for example there was a mixture of punishment and pragmatism. By punishment I simply mean that ex-bourgeoisie and clergy, often very elderly, were made to do manual labor that they had no skill in whatsoever because they had never done it in their entire lives. But on other occasions highly educated bourgeois specialists were given collegial seats on soviet government councils because their knowledge was essential to planning the economy or winning the civil war. So even among the ex-bourgeoisie there was unequal treatment. Some got a much better deal than others.

What socialism does purport to do is to socialize what has not already been socialized. Because under capitalism, so much has already been socialized in service of capital. I actually read People's Republic Of Wal Mart right after reading Lenin's Imperialism for the first time and you'd be surprised at the amount of overlaps. Mainly they both stress the need to nationalize monopolies instead of taking the ultimately pointless approach of breaking them up only for them to merge back together after a few decades. Where Lenin differs from that book however is he stresses this process of nationalization can only take place AFTER a violent revolution, while PRWM is a book in a more social democratic tradition, which seems to suggest that reformists under the current system can nationalize these monopolies.


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