Thread dedicated to discussing the consequences of a Burger-Occupied-Planet. This is not /usapol/ This is about what the USA does outside of the USA.
For the record, this thread is neither for demonizing the American worker, nor for centering them as the most oppressed, nor for spurring them to "do something." This is ALSO not a thread about discussing the debauchery of the US ruling class inside their mansions.
This is for discussing the international non-US-based consequences of US military hegemony, US offshore bases, USAID scams, CIA coups, IMF loan sharking and structural adjustment programs, dollar reserve currency status, petrollar scheming, infrastructure bombing campaigns, sanction starvation siege warfare, embargoes, forced privatization, forced austerity, forced union busting, US-funded anticommunist death squads, US-funded psy-ops, US "playing both sides" in conflicts, US fucking with its former allies, etc.
These constraints aside, the discussion can be both fluid and focused, emotional and scientific.
Please do not confuse this with a "Total Burger Death" or "Total Burger Defense" thread.
If all goes well and this gets full, I will put more effort into a second bake, like links and such.
>>2770197>i'm avoiding both heckin extremes>clearly seething about one side with his screenshotburger tearrs
>>2770206
gubbermint worker distinction status?
>>2770208What are you trying to say?
>>2770213it doesn't matter. this is an imageboard. deliberate misinterpretation is the rule
>>2770213Dr. Burgerkrieg: Or How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Kafka Trap
>>2770206
Stop ban evading faggot
>>2770195is that the church shooter dylan roof on the right
Do we have map tracking of which countries geographically between the US and Iran which have closed their airspace for the US-Israeli war on Iran, vs which dont? I have not seen that yet but it feels it must've been made [?]
>>2770327I think it's an edit lol
This thread is the opposite of a bop
am i wrong to think burger domination will be harder to get rid of than the british empire for example? To have a reserve currency you need liquid capital markets and chinese currency cant be that without relaxing capital controls they need for industrial planning, plus being the reserve currency automatically means de industrialization since it means exports are at a permanent disadvantage, so basically you trade cheaper global imports for no manufacturing capacity or blue collar jobs.
IF china cant provide that maybe the europeans can but that would require european governments giving up national sovereignty over spending and taxing basically making the EU into almost a literal country and EU member states like US states with only maybe slightly less porous borders. Which aint gonna happen.
The best case is more bilateralism and the dollars share of trade dropping to like 30%?
Let them do that id guess?
>>2770636The burgerpire is shooting itself
>>2770645the same was said after iraq and afghanistan and even vietnam, yet its still there
>>2770654the US recovered from Vietnam because it gained the massive riches of Indonesia. Sukarno was toppled and it moved from the non-aligned to the western sphere.
>>2770636I don't think that there will be a grand revolution against the US. Only the United States has an incentive to start military conflicts against the Global South and their former allies, because they would still prefer the slight possibility of reintroducing total domination over their subjects rather than the slow but sure decline of their empire. If the Global South had total control over this process, they would probably rather keep the backbone of the imperial structure, meaning the dollar intact while dismantling its military power and other nefarious structures. If the dollar dissappeared today, it would cause an economic crisis never seen before. The great powers that are interested in regulating international capitalism could do it by influencing the US themselves and thereby jointly controlling how the world reserve currency is issued and how international finance is structured.
Why am I saying this? There have been signs that China is actually able to threaten US economic dominance by controlling the flow of dollars using their massive foreign currency reserves. This is why the unparalelled Chinese productive strength and the BRI hasn't translated itself into currency hegemony yet. A system where global politics is mainly conducted through everyone lobbying the US government already has its institutional foundation laid down. Lobbying itself is an essential characteristic of US politics. Today many people are convinced that currently the Israel lobby exerts great influence or even total control over the US government. Why couldn't this work for other countries, all at the same time? The Republicans and the Democrats already have a major ideological disagreement over whether they should go soft on the Russians or the EU. It's true that this hasn't translated itself into actual policy yet, but what if one of the wars America is waging is fumbled so bad and causes so terrible humilitation to the US that it breaks their imperial hubris and they will be forced to heed the demands of their (former) enemy? This may seem far fetched, but Iran is currently doing exactly this. The way their leaders talking, they are directly interjecting themselves into American domestic politics, talking about Eptsein this Israel lobby that etc while continuing to resist US-Israeli attacks without a hint of hesitation. They are essentially trying to force a regime change in America! If Iran is able exert enough economic pain on ordinary US citizens and as a result the Republicans lose the midterms, wouldn't the Democrats think twice about going to such great lengths to satisfy Israel's demands? Wouldn't the threat of not being able to last a single full election cycle deter them from launching an another war in the Middle East?
But this also means that the rise of the Global South doesn't necessitate the end of capitalism as world system immediately and and in all respects. Essentially the new great powers and their capitalists could agree between each other to a. Only dismantle the worst and more outwardly aspects of imperialism like US interventions, US engineered proxy wars, CIA directed political destabilization, etc. b. Create clear mechanisms to keep the American economy afloat and bribe Americans into not voting for retards like Trump who start wars everywhere, maybe through replacing the system of welfare being disguised as military service with a straightforward UBI c. Keep their precious tax havens alive
>>2770629
Stop ban evading uyghur
Over under on nukes dropping on Iran? Trump is deranged enough to do it
>>2770739not the anon, it was a joke about how you get more replies for posting bait.
>>2770636The Euro is going to become the world's next reserve currency because there is no way in a billion years that China will ever relax capital controls and allow for de-industrialization. Capital always prefers cuck nations that rape their workers and allow for rampant financial speculation and the EU treaties have basically already guaranteed that. If you invested in the Chinese stock market 30 years ago and pulled out the money today, you would have gained a net profit of negative 300%. So with America falling apart, Capital will make the right choice in fleeing to Europe. The fact that Ukraine can single-handedly stalemate Russia using second hand equipment and drones is also a boost of confidence that Europe will not be conquered by anyone for at least the next 50 years.
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