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Reading this site was the biggest redpill I ever taken, literally a class of uber rich rig the game in their favor and they don't give a fuck about the little man, ridiculous, I thought this whole idea of some minority class controlling stuff was in the realm of conspirary tard, from both left and right, after reading a genuine rational sociologist arriving at this conclusion made me mad and sad, fuck this shit.

https://whorulesamerica.ucsc.edu/power/class_domination.html

The bigger question to me is: how the fuck we change this arragement? A tiny class of uber rich is destryoing the world in the name of wealth and power, what the fuck?

im not even sure it can be changed. though other leftists will get mad at me for saying this

>>2771315
Sound defeatist, what's your rationale to arrive at this thought?

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>how the fuck we change this arragement?
the people with the money pay the people with the guns to keep the people with no money in line. all civilisations are class societies, which are structured by a monopoly of force held in the state. the people who own the state are the major property owners.

>>2771323
So the anarchoids were right?

>>2771307
>a genuine rational sociologist
You think Marx was irrational?

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>>2771315
>>2771321
He's Brazilian. Those who support Lula end up like this over the years.

>>2771333
I mean I saw Marx as old thinker, this dude from from the link tried to explained better how power work in the USA, the conclusion is kind of marxist in sense.

>>2771334
Are you saying that Lula is a class traitor or a oportunist?

You'd think that Iran molly wopping America would give yanks more hope but it seems as if American leftoids are chronically addicted to being pessimistic

>>2771327
well, all theories of state power come to the same conclusions.
the ability to enforce laws requires the relationship of private property, which then distributes ownership unevenly. By this inequality, some gain more power than others, and so protection necessarily comes at the behest of excessive wealth. if all wealth was moderated, there would be no need for a state. so then, the state can only come into being at a certain level of economic development, which presupposes wealth inequality. so then, unequal wealth is distributed according to the means of protecting this wealth, and so of reinforcing this primary inequality.

>>2771348
Both.

>>2771334
>support Lula
now I understand why freud flag anon's takes are always so ass

>>2771355
SO, what you're saying if there isn't private propaty then inequality would end?

>>2771365
not necessarily; you can have a relative equality of private property, just as long as there is no state. its the state which enforces the conditions of inequality.

>>2771383
Wait a second, bro, isn't that what ancap say too?

>>2771307
>I thought this whole idea of some minority class controlling stuff was in the realm of conspirary tard
How did you think the system worked before you realized this?
video related, about the "conspiracy" thing
>>2771339
>I mean I saw Marx as old thinker
even if a lot has changed since he died the fundamental issues of capitalism he pointed out still stand

>>2771392
ancaps confuse capitalist private property with precapitalist private property. capitalism requires a state (since capitalism begins by primitive accumulation, or the appropriation of private property to be distributed to monopolists). marx in the communist manifesto also writes that capitalism is a war against private property:
<You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm


>>2771315
you are epstein

>>2771334
Unironically I believe him and the ak47 guy are brazilians, Im not surprised because for some reason brazilians usually have either the best takes or the worst

>>2771307
Mass cooperative economy
Democratize capital = Democratize society

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>CAPITALISTS…. RULE THE WORLD?
You don't say, OP

>>2771582
no buddy, the people's wall street, people's blackrock and people's JPMorganchase is not the solution

>>2771339
>I saw Marx as old thinker
"We're modern, we aren't worried about those old historical contradictions" - young German nazis
>kind of marxist
lol no, he's like a religious evolution denier who thinks Darwinism is wrong because of "missing fossils" or something:
https://whorulesamerica.ucsc.edu/theory/marxism.html
<Marxism's emphasis on historical materialism is too narrow a base for understanding the complexity and variety of power structures across time and places. The idea that all power is rooted ultimately in the ownership and control of the means of production, with the ensuing class struggle providing the motor of history, does not fit the origins of civilization in the years from 3000 to 2300 B.C.E., when most property was held by the state and there was no class conflict; nor the 2500 years of empires of domination, when military networks were in the ascendancy; nor the 900 years after the fall of the Roman Empire, when the ideology network called "Christendom" combined with the independent armies of the nobility to create the framework within which a class-ridden capitalism and a closely intertwined system of nation-states began to rise to the fore.
<In short, there have been great stretches of history when economic forces, no matter how broadly conceived to accommodate the Marxian claim about the primacy of the "mode of production," were not primary in either the first or last instance. Moreover, there were other epochs where the activities of the ruling class were far more important in understanding new developments than any "class struggle" with direct producers, who were far too localized and lacking in organizational infrastructure to challenge the dominant class, let alone to be considered a class themselves.
https://whorulesamerica.ucsc.edu/theory/alternative_theories.html#marxism

>>2771498
You forgot Sandianon, the goat.

>>2771986
>the origins of civilization in the years from 3000 to 2300 B.C.E., when most property was held by the state and there was no class conflict

Two of the subjects of the epic of gilgamesh is the conflict between pastoralists and the city, and the tyrrany of a quasi-divine "god king" for those that don't know.


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