/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Nvm hes right that the left should embrace AI but he is a fucking lib apologist

This thread is gonna die quickly or filled with "communism is when you work harder than under capitalism, muh epic factories!!!" retards because /leftypol/ doesn't read any theory more recent than the 1970s. But from the little I've seen, he is alright, I like that the Brits have at least one guy who seems to sanely analyze events and try to adapt socialism for the 21th century, as flawed as his attempt might be.

>>2773610
> /leftypol/ doesn't read any theory more recent than the 1970s
try 1930s

>>2773610
Lenin defended taylorism because it was supposed to reduce work load and working hours of everyone more than a century ago, communism is litteraly about not working in the end

>>2773613
marx said its about making work "life's prime want" lol
<In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly – only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm

>>2773613
Most people here don't know what Taylorism means at this point, get the fuck out of there as quick as you can before someone posts the Vladimir Jesus quote about work and eating.

>>2773618
>after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor […] has vanished
>From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!
Do you understand the type of work Marx is envisioning is very different than wage labour as we know it today or as it existed in the USSR?

>>2773622
so you would retract this comment?
<communism is litteraly about not working

>>2773625
Labour, by its very nature is unfree, unhuman, unsocial activity, determined by private property and creating private property. Hence the abolition of private property will become a reality only when it is conceived as the abolition of labour.

>>2773632
so when marx says that "labour" will become "life's prime want", what does this mean?

>all that's needed is nationalization of compute, energy and robotics research
All that's needed is the complete annihilation of the united states and its running dogs is what you mean

>>2773625
It's about not having to work under the threat of starvation for pennies while the NYC elite bourgeoisie fuck teenage prostitutes. It's about abolishing wage labour or at least reducing it to a strict minimum of weekly hours.
Keynes, who was a capitalist and saved capitalism from the Great Depression, envisioned a workweek of 15 hours by 2030, one hundred years ago. But radical Marxists in 2026 can't even envision that.
So yeah that anon was basically right, and when Marx wrote:
>after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want
He meant working to build a shack in your backyard or helping your comrades to build a communal house where you can play games, party together, that kind of things. You would instinctively understand what it means if you ever did voluntary work for an organisation (i.e. working for free just because it's pleasant and you enjoy the end product and the people around you). But you are so alienated, you probably work become "life's prime want" is if we work 40 hours a week for a state instead of a capitalist.

>>2773639
>[Marx] meant [that communism is] working to build a shack in your backyard or helping your comrades to build a communal house where you can play games, party together, that kind of things
>You would instinctively understand what it means if you ever did voluntary work
If communism is "voluntary work" then we already have communism

>>2773610
Based

What's the point of regurgitating basic marxism everyone agrees with?

The }roblem is that you have to defeat the bourgeoisie first

>>2773639
This is just a few steps removed from the anarcho-fascist delusion where “communism” is perverted into a bandit fiefdom where you and your comrades can have orgies and smoke weed all day, which leads me to believe that you and by extension this author you’re trying to shill are also anarchists

>>2773669
It's a world of various cliques where social capital becomes "capital" and you must be able to sociopath your way to being able to eat. I don't think the people would appreciate artisnal plumbing, electricity, disaster relief.