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The relation between religious retards and their disillusionment with the world coming to bring their baggage while demanding change from the real movement that has already done its hundreds of years' worth of material analysis to explain the phenomena occurring by atheist anti-theist might, to come and label onself as "christian, muslim, jewish, pagan socialist-esque" or even worse an "anarchist" clinging to the niche of creative writings, seeking legitimacy and to be legitimized of ones' metaphysical supersititous retardation gives no room for development of the real movement, it stagnates it as a retrograde aesthetic tending towards reactionary stillness in life - a status quo of demanding to preserve feudal and pre-feudal mythos when the movement is trying to bring workers to view reality for what it really is, all conceptions of GOD, GODS, SPIRITS, DEITIES and such being man-made as words and remaining solely as conceptions with addendum of personal experiences always unexplained as "feelings" - trying to mitigate research and development by situations presented in such a way that they inherently deny rationale.

It is the status quo of the majority of the world population being turned retarded-submissive by abstract religiosity and contempt with its decay. To synthesize decay and growth or present decay as growth in an attempt to paint oneself a "socialist" or "progressive force" is to lie for closure.
As Il Duche himself wrote before opportunistically clinging to the catholic church in Italy for politician gains - God Does Not Exist, so we affirm his essay. Luddic left liberalism and leftism as the bourgeois liberalism it will always be - is always reactionary and the road of religiosity and negation. Reactionism will always be against the notion of revolutions, a reactionary revolution or a conservative revolution can be nothing less than Adolf Hitler's rise.
Call for the liquidation of religiosity and not its synthesis and integration within the movement against the present state of things, it is a part of the present state that has plagued civilization since all previous modes of production and continuing in liberal "secular" capitalism. Deny entryists. A "religious socialist" is either a confused socialist in need of psychiatric help or a religious reactionary posing as socialist.

A religious "socialist" is only a re-branding in name of the same feudal bullshit that has stagnated and appropriated human development for itself. To quote Marx himself:
>Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a Socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the State? Has it not preached in the place of these,charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian Socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat.

You have to be utterly retarded and a desperate popular-frontist, class collaborationist retarded jewish nigger to legitimize this, to legitimize it means that you are illegitimate yourself, you are a liberal lumpen or bourgeois collaborating with the reactionary forces. Fuck your liberal-tion theology. All of you go from cradle to grave with the end of this mode of production and remain in soil.

  1. There's nothing contradictory with paganism and socialism, but they're also unrelated to each other.
  2. Abrahamism does contradict it since there is no way to avoid having them interoperate and be incompatible with each other, because abrahamism is inherently religious and theistic.

Very loose, non-religious, non-theistic pagan practices will replace the hobbyist and aesthetic aspects of religion under socialism.

>>2775573
>There's nothing contradictory with paganism and socialism, but they're also unrelated to each other.
In bourgeois socialism there isn't. In the communist movement there is - paganism is a broad term for regressive reductive world views hostile to material analysis stemming from attributing deities to natural phenomena that have been explained millennia ago, it has been reduced to a faggy aesthetic for contrarian losers mad at abrahamism yet still yearning for "spiritual" identity to avoid facing material reality.

Paganism is an orientalist umbrella term for polytheist creative writings, folk tales that demand to be taken seriously or slither into roleplay to distract and legitimize the former by pop-culture influence. It is retrograde garbage and lacks utility, undeniably attracts the worst of reactionaries and modern fascists / bourgeois nationalists.

Blood and soil tribal / native fetishization of african, south american voodoo idpol stands firmly in autonomist liberal trends. A struggle against the "small and oppressed" "marginalized minorities" - completely detached from class analysis and always in a dangerous flirtation with luddism and worse forms of reactionism.

Bordiga himself was guilty of endorsing the latter. Others like Camatte fell into it as a result of depression seeking a " retreat from capitalism".

>>2775548
I agree strongly but cool it with the run-on sentences.

>>2775587
>. A struggle against the "small and oppressed" "marginalized minorities"
Clarification - against their status as such.
Formula often seen in the works of Crimethinc as reference.

>>2775587
>deities
Not inherent to paganism

>>2775792
Or spirits. Animism is the most basic form of paganism, probably the first and original belief system. If you can find something older than animism do tell.

>>2775573
Capitalist postmodernity is neo-paganism, you utter retard.

Personal "truths" (in the fucking plural) = house/clan deities/spirits.

Fucking Christianity with its insistance on the One is closer to rationalism (hence Marxism) than this shit.

And no, I'm not endorsing Christianity either. I'm just pointing out the "history of ideas" perspective and how fucking reactionary our current zeitgeist is.

Ffs.

>>2776227
Your analogy relies of defining things in a way that is simultaneously vague yet over-specific. You could just as easily argue that pagans pick their approach based on the circumstances of the local area and thus would be closer to historical materialism than abrahamism.

You seem very invested in a thesis born from speaking in the abstract.

communism socialism marxism Marxism-Leninism is atheist and anti-religion

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>>2776296
Interestingly enough, Jesus is fairly communist. At least that's the impression I got when reading the Bible .

Christians practiced communal living as described in the Acts of the Apostles. However, mainstream Christian theology generally does not align with communist ideology.. Gee, I wonder why.

didn't ask for your yapping
didn't read your yapping
still going to be a christian communist
cry about it

>>2776311
Neither christian nor a communist, just a libtard.

>>2776321
You should at least become a communist since liberalism is so retarded that there is no excuse for anyone to ever be a liberal unless they make more than 250,000USD a year.

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>>2776322
Nah I was talking about you, you're the libtard religious moron

>>2776325
At least he believes in something, even if it is retarded.

>>2776327
You can say the same for O9A cosmology, but it doesn't make it any more compatible with the movement

>>2776325
I despise liberalism cry harder it's not my fault you don't know what words mean.

>>2776330
You don't despise it, its what allows your bullshit to proliferate in the first place

>>2776260
Thank you, CHATGPT, for not understanding anything that was written.

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>>2776332
You have no understanding of history or even basic etymology. Seethe harder.

>>2776338
You have no analysis of anything, you deny material reality, everything you write is false

>>2776341
>NO U
i would respect atheists if they had half the intelligence they think they possess

>>2776344
That's all you've been doing this entire thread, we're not the ones saying no u, you're the one saying no u, you are not intelligent atheists are intelligent, all communists are atheists, you're delusional and reject material reality its that simple.

>>2776344
A real atheist respects religion. I don't like any of them, but I don't go around disproving or calling someone a retard for believing in it. I'd say it's about half and half of retards and honest believers.

He's the latter.

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>>2776346
>a real atheist respects religion

>>2776346
The only real atheists are anti-theists, liberal secular faggots are the same ones choosing "lesser evil" making coalitions with reactionaries

>>2776347
M'Lady. You are not achieving shit by alienating people in trying to disproving their god doesn't exist. Wasting your fucking time.

>>2776350
Its already proven the word is man-made and so is the concept, language itself is man-made, there is no proof of it being from divine origin

>>2776351
That's not up for you to decide. Your cause is meaningless if you alienate the people who genuinely believe it and not those fakeones that have lavish sermons.

>>2776350
>by alienating people
When religgers are the majority its the other way around, you don't get class consciousness by coddling reactionaries taking folk tales seriously

>>2776354
>That's not up for you to decide.
It is, its material reality, people invented the word god you objectivist retard, you deny material reality

Idealist faggots believing "everyone's worldview is true" are the ones propping up religious retardation on this board

>>2776358
There’s a difference between respecting people’s right to their beliefs and agreeing that all beliefs are equally valid or true. One can co-exist, however if do get extreme, that's a conversation for a topic.

Believing “everyone’s worldview is true” isn’t really a coherent positio different worldviews often contradict each other, so they can’t all be true at the same time.

As-salamu alaykum brothers. As Ayatollah Khomeini once remarked, the enforced atheism of the Soviet bloc dealt the harshest blow to the Soviet project. All modern socialist states accept religion and no longer fight against it. Religion has outlasted slavery, feudalism, state-socialism, and will outlast capitalism as well as any future mode of production. For all the talk about "material reality" in this thread, it seems that some people haven't actually looked at material reality to realize that many religions across the world have lasted far longer in world history, and under far more modes of production, than any average communist party.

>>2776361
>There’s a difference between respecting people’s right to their beliefs
There is no way not to respect them because we can't just magically press a button and do away with it all, but at the very least we can agitate against them by analysis and criticism as was intended

>>2776363
No mop has tried to do away with it, most prior to capitalism were oriented around them, capitalism lead to some secularization but no concise action
we have seen religions die, we have historical examples of religions being destroyed by forced convertions like in the case of christianity removing tribal beliefs by colonialism and other cases like the bogomilists, it is definitely possible to eradicate belief sets by force alone

>>2776368
<mop
*ref to mode of production not means

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>>2776363
all the Maoists in Palestine realised this and converted to islam is th 80s.


>>2776373
And Stalin was okay with sharia law and created Israel
Mao and Stalin were opportunist anti-communists

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>>2776373
<Chairman Mao: Religion is poison
>Maoists decades later…

>>2776363
Based.

>>2776311
Based.

>>2776373
>>2776383
Based.

>>2776304
Semi-Trvke. Christianity came to be in the mode of slavery so you would see something like Christians owning Christians as slaves, but then Bible says if that does happen, you should not treat them as a slave (which is like the whole cooperatives within capitalism argument today).
Tldr Christianity was born during slavery, but was paving the way for life post-slavery. Modern evangelicals are just Judaizers wanting to return to the OT.

>>2776386
Broo based based based based based everything bad about this thread SO BASED! I love religgers, I am a socialdemocrat

>>2776380
>clergy
<ignores base and superstructure
Many such cases on leftardist communism

>>2776386
Weren't you that iranian diaspora uyghur, why not go back there?

>>2776390
Religgers inevitably organize by interests, a clergy is naturally formed as an outcome, the clergy is the conclusion of religgers' will to spread enforce their agenda

>>2776391
LOOOOL
I was a magafag until I converted to stalinism. My family is hardcore southbap q-tards who think tucker is playing 4d chess with orange king.

>>2776390
uygha you're a muslim succdem of course you'll defend them, thats like 60% of the board's retards

>>2776395
Of course you're an american

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>>2776393
>no materialist analysis
<spooks of interests and agendas
should have known.

In case you are very retarded:
Religions are shaped by the very political and economic infrastructure that supports them. This is why if communism keeps evolving, you will see both syntheses of previous religions and marxism and (most importantly) entirely new religions with new fundamentals and philosophy. In the year 3000 AO you will see communist religions. North Korea is already 20% there.

>>2776397
>a muslim succdem of course you'll defend them
Reading comprehension was never a strong suit of imageboards.

>>2776381
You left coms have done nothing except sit down and goon in your chairs

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>>2776333
>chatGPT is when text is almost square on a phone
Reading level of a twitter user

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>>2776386
Stop tooting your own horn. FFS

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>>2776411
Bordiga.party soon

>>2776464
0% Muslims
0% Christians
0% Religious Jews
0% Pagans
0% Religgers
100% The Invariant line of the real movement

>>2776468
The greatest invariant line is the one that divides Bordiga's ass into two

>>2776304
Communes are Hitlerite and the family must be abolished. Communes do not abolish the state but return to the state in its most primordial and despotic form. GTFO with your communal slave plantation.

>>2775548
Does it really matter? Ideology is a meme in the original sense of the word. it evolves, mutates and takes on different characteristics. So it is synthesis


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