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The counter-culture revolution did not end, it simply turned inward. After the 1970s it became clear that the Empire was far too vast and powerful to destroy through use of external force, so the counter-culture retreated and reformulated their strategy - instead of trying to liberate the world, they would liberate their own minds. Knowledge would be their weaponry, knowledge about the world but more importantly knowledge about themselves. Every lie they were programmed to believe about who they were and what their lives meant would be called into question, analyzed, deconstructed, traced back to its origins, and irrevocably refuted with undeniable logic and empirical evidence. When the Empire became aware of what they were doing it correctly interpreted this on an attack on its very foundations and predictably retaliated with its conventional tactics of violence and disinformation, thus began the Culture War that we now find ourselves in. But thus far the counterattack has been wild and flailing and largely ineffective, failing to identify a strategic target, the so-called "Woke Mind Virus" seeming to originate from everywhere at once with no central source. The Empire's greatest weakness is its inhumanity, its inability to see inside of the human mind and understand human psychology; the Empire is solipsistic and behaviorist, it does not recognize the human spirit, it only sees people as subordinate machines that must be conditioned to behave and obey. Nurse Ratched can stop the patients in the ward from watching the baseball game, but she cannot stop them from pretending to watch it and cheering and roaring in delight at a blank television screen.

What you dismiss as "identity politics", as some minor irrelevant distraction from the revolution-to-be, is in fact the front lines of the very real and current Revolution. The Revolution is not some future external event like the Christian rapture, it is happening right now and has always been happening since the beginning of history. The Revolution takes place in the mind - the protests, the riots, the dissenting literature, all of those things are just outward expressions of it. And the Revolution has been slowly but surely succeeding, the Empire's grip gradually weakening day by day as the People gain more knowledge, learning things that cannot be unlearned, speaking truths that cannot be unspoken. Because real Truth is eternal and absolute, it cannot be corrupted and it stands on its own whereas lies are ephemeral and require continuous maintenance to sustain and eventually crumble under their own weight. Only a few decades ago, things like neurodivergence and homosexuality were treated as sicknesses to be eradicated and those who were "afflicted" with these so-called diseases were outcast from society and their voices were never heard and they themselves were conditioned to believe that they were worthless freaks of nature with no place in the world who must either conform or die. People with brown skin were conditioned to believe that they were subhuman savages biologically incapable of full-fledged humanity, that their place in the world was to be servile beasts of burden for the superior white race. Women were conditioned to believe that their sole purpose in life was to be brood mares for men. Trans/non-binary/intersex people were conditioned to believe that they were mentally deranged and their innermost beliefs about themselves were an elaborate self-induced hallucination. The pseudoscience that was invented to reinforce these ideas ultimately began to crumble, as lies always do, when true science emerged that refuted them and the only response that the Empire could muster was to deny the existence of reality entirely and retreat even further into solipsism. Someone is losing ground here.

You may find it difficult to empathize with these people and their struggles because it is someone else's ox being gored and not yours, but you need to remember that you are no different from they are, not really. They are human beings and you are a human being and all human lives are inexorably connected just like any other species of animal, regardless of what the Empire would have you believe. An attack on one human's autonomy is an attack on autonomy itself. And when people call attention to the possibility that you yourself may in fact be speaking from a position of privilege when you dismiss other people's struggles and concerns and you perceive it as an attack on your own identity, consider the possibility that perhaps your reaction might not be a logical reaction but a defensive kneejerk reaction, consider the possibility that your mind, like every mind, has been touched and manipulated to some extent by the Empire and that perhaps these people are not trying to attack you but trying to help you, trying to expand your intelligence, perhaps they don't see you as the enemy but as potential allies and they want you and need you on their side.

>You may find it difficult to empathize with these people and their struggles because
because thier liberal ideology actively harms me

Idpol goes too far it is liberal

Couldnt care less about faggot rights as long people die from hunger, disease and poverty.

>>2776702
Why'd you copy the format of my thread faggot?
Did you see how many people even bothered to read mine to the end? Zero.

>>2776715

I didn't copy anything from you, I just wrote a brief essay about something that was on my mind. Do you hold a patent on essay writing?

Hey, here's a crazy idea - maybe I didn't know about your thread at all and I wasn't thinking about you at all when I wrote this. Maybe you're not the center of the entire universe and it's not all about you, did you ever consider that?

>>2776703
>because thier liberal ideology actively harms me

The ideology of conservatives actively harms me but I still empathize with them. I understand their dissatisfaction with the status quo and I even share it, I just think in their case the outrage is often misdirected at the wrong targets. And don't think that is their fault either, I don't think Trump voters are stupid or evil people, I think they have just been misled by a very powerful and elaborate system of social control that we as individual fragile human beings often find ourselves powerless to resist or even be aware of.

Even if the ideology of the left is causing you harm in some fashion, you feel like they are misdirecting their outrage at the wrong people or going too far with their tactics or trying to silence critical thought, that should not preclude your ability to empathize with them as fellow human beings. I think that is a rather self-centered and reactionary way to operate - anyone who harms me personally is a nothing more than an inhuman malevolent force, I must either destroy the threat or run away from it and never listen to anything it says. By dehumanizing them and reducing them to nothing more than an animal threat, you also dehumanize yourself, reduce yourself to this animalistic fight-or-flight type of behavior. Do you understand what I mean?

>>2776906
> I don't think Trump voters are stupid or evil people, I think they have just been misled by a very powerful and elaborate system of social control that we as individual fragile human beings often find ourselves powerless to resist or even be aware of.
Thank you for pardoning comrade Alex Jones.

>>2776708
>Couldnt care less about faggot rights as long people die from hunger, disease and poverty.

I understand what you're saying, but it's not like the entire world is participating in a huge city council meeting and deciding which issues to put on the docket and then sequentually addressing them one at a time, i.e. we have to deal with hunger and disease and poverty first and then after that is done we can get to solving things like gay rights or racism etc. People addressing one of these problems does not interfere with society's ability to address any of the other problems, human society can and does deal with problems concurrently. And also, none of these social issues are things that can ever be "solved" in the same way that a mental illness is not something that can ever be "cured" or a post office can never be "finished" with sorting and delivering the mail - these are ongoing issues that must be dealt with continuously for the rest of human existence.

>>2776906
>The ideology of conservatives actively harms me but I still empathize with them
>I don't think Trump voters are stupid or evil people
Empathy implies some level of insight into mind of other, so if you actually empathised with righ winger you would have to face the fact they indeed are evil. Instead what you do is assume they are just like you, think and feel and on fundamental level hold same values as you. That is not true empathy.

>>2776937
>Empathy implies some level of insight into mind of other, so if you actually empathised with righ winger you would have to face the fact they indeed are evil.

I don't know if I would even personally believe in the concept of good and evil to be honest and I probably should have used a different word, I think people are just human beings and sometimes they do good things and sometimes they do bad things.

And I think I do have some insight into the mind of the typical right-wing Trump supporter in America, I grew up in a family of these kinds of people and got to know them and their ideology very well when they tried to indoctrinate me into it my entire life. I think the America has systematically waged war on the working class for much of its history and a lot of working class people are very justifiably upset at things like the erosion of American industry and the skyrocketing wealth inequality and the dishonesty and corruption of their political leaders, and I understand why they could look at a man like Trump and buy into his narrative that he was some kind of renegade outsider who would disrupt the status quo and make America great again, I understand how their outrage could be manipulated and redirected towards liberal bogeyman or woke culture or some other distraction, I understand the MO of authoritarian power structures and how they use propaganda to divide and conquer and keep their subjects isolated in false realities and fighting amongst themselves, I've studied history enough to see this pattern before when a nation in economic decline full of struggling beaten-down workers opens the door for charismatic fascist psychopaths who present themselves as champions of the people only to betray them as soon as they are in power.

>>2776963
The different words we could use is cruel, sadistic, malicious. That apologia for Trump supporters would work for his 2016 voters (the handful that werent just lifelong republicans), but cant be used as an excuse for continuous support. They are t tricked, they are getting exactly what they want from him, making other people suffer, their own lifes getting worse in the process is a price they are willing to pay.

>>2776987

I think it is important for us to remember that even the most narcissistic, hateful, selfish, greedy, violent people, including Trump himself, are still human beings at the very core, they are not some kind of mutant monsters or aliens or demon hellspawn, they are natural born humans with human brains and human psychology. To write them off as simply evil inhuman vermin is to try to separate ourselves from those people and delude ourselves into thinking that we could never be like them, and we do ourselves a disservice in not studying the psychology of these kinds of people and figuring out why they are the way they are, how they turned into the kind of people they are now. Instead of shying away from evil and trying to eradicate it, why don't we stare it directly in the face and try to understand what it really is and where it comes from? What is it about our society, our psychology, that spawns people like Donald Trump? Why do people become narcissists and megalomaniacs, why do they develop this insatiable hunger for external validation that consumes their entire lives and makes them behave like monsters? What do ordinary everyday people like us have in common with people like Donald Trump? What about all the millions of people out there who spend all their time on social media compulsively seeking external validation because they hate themselves and they hate their lives? Could it be that Donald Trump, beneath all his money and fame and outlandish attention seeking behavior, is just a sad lonely man who despises everything about himself and uses wealth and power and other forms of external validation to seal himself off from reality so that he never has to actually think about who he is and what he has done?

>>2777029
Psychology of right wingers is something of a personal interest of mine, I read quite a lot on the topic. Undertanding their behaviour and social forces at play does not forbid me from passing a moral judgement. Explanation is not an excuse.

>>2776702
> The Revolution takes place in the mind
Ok Erik Houdini (jerking off motion)

>>2776906
>I don't think Trump voters are stupid or evil people
They're liberals. Jeffrey Epstein wannabees are literally satanic pedos who dream every night of attacking and dethroning God to become landlords who extract rents by privatizing and enclosing his divine creation. That's why Jesus exalts the homeless, in fact there are no homeless people because his kingdom of heaven is open to only them. These satanic "Christian/Zionist" churches sell real estate drenched with children's blood because they are ontologically evil, sorry to ruin your humanist liberal gooning session
>reducing them to nothing more than an animal threat
I searched 'dolphin rape' and this weird website of algorithmically aggregated science research returned 250 articles about dolphin rape, wtf????????
https://worldmetrics.org/dolphin-rape-statistics/

>>2777071

Well obviously none of these reasons excuse the behavior, but it's not like these kinds of people fall out of the sky from another world, something makes them what they are and if you want to fight cancer you have to locate and remove the tumor, not just treat the symptoms.

>>2776937
>if you actually empathized with right winger you would have to face the fact they indeed are evil. Instead what you do is assume they are just like you

Loving this irony. LOL

I'm pretty surprised and disappointed at just how weak all of your counterarguments are, considering this is nominally an imageboard devoted to leftist political discourse. You guys are really, really dumb. And I'm not saying that to be funny or anything, it's actually quite disconcerting and frankly sad to see just how incapable of intelligent conversation you people are. It's like, no wonder you all complain all the time about being alone and not being able to connect with other human beings or find love or even friendship - who the hell would want to spend an extended length of time with someone like you, someone who can't even engage in a coherent or interesting dialogue about anything? I hope you find a way to get out of this rut you are in, most of you I assume are still pretty young and you have a chance to change things before its too late and you end up being that weird miserable quiet loner who is found swinging from a noose in a one bedroom apartment.

>>2776906
>The ideology of conservatives actively harms me but I still empathize with them.
Conservatives don't claim to be all about openess, tolerance, community

The core ideas of modern liberalism are in the correct place but the praxis is extremely flawed.

>>2777370
Also
>Do you understand what I mean?
Yes, which is why I do not combat or oppose them publicly, I won't do free labour for reactionarism, only when meta discussions happen do I voice my concerns.

>>2777369
Your statement speaks a lot of truth, but I can temper that down to a criticism of both parties (being composed of people), that the propensity to lay platitudes at each other's (sides) feet by either party is concomitant. There are some, with what is ultimately real beliefs to them, that merely hold those beliefs and when in interaction with each the opposing 'side', being of a feeble mind, merely regurgitate those platitudes to no end and to their own ends in order to deliver a win to their ego and their position. The othering that occurs, that the other side is evil, is something that both sides say to each other and believe about each other. It doesn't recognize nuance, it doesn't search for deeper meaning, it is a shit flinging contest.

>>2777370
>Conservatives don't claim to be all about openess, tolerance, community
But therein lies the disingenuous-ness of the contemporary left vs. the modern right. The only reason that this occurs is because being given the moral high ground and operating among a population of idiots, gives you the moral latitude to abandon 'logic'. That will happen to the right as well if given the same latitude, but experience shows that the same will occur on the 'right' if given that same latitude over time. Dialogue occurs in the in-between, it is not headlined or mainstream, those being tainted in every case.

>>2777370
>>The ideology of conservatives actively harms me but I still empathize with them.
>Conservatives don't claim to be all about openess, tolerance, community

That's not even a response to what I was saying. The whole point of what I said was that it is possible to still have empathy for people you disagree with, not whether or not one side is more hypocritical than the other. Why can't you stay focused and stop talking past people, why can't you maintain two-way communication with another human being? Is it overexposure to digital media that has done this to you, your brain is just used to nonstop rapid fire doses of stimulation and its become so desensitized that it can't actually process the information going into it anymore, it just scans a few words and instantly reacts like an LLM with 1 kilobyte of memory?

>>2777391
It's such a good criticism though. A moral delight even.

>>2777412

I mean, it really isn't though because conservatives also try to present themselves as altruistic community-oriented tolerant people, like the vast majority of them typically aren't dressed in KKK robes or waving "GOD HATES FAGS" signs, when you go inside a typical fundamentalist Christian church in America you don't see the pastor going off on angry tirades about deporting all the Mexicans, he's preaching about love and peace and tolerance. Even if you are some obviously queer leftist dyed-hair freak most of the conservatives you interact with in the real world are all smiles and perfectly polite to your face, it's only when your back is turned or when they post on Facebook about it later they say what is really on their minds. Leftists aren't the only people who are capable of being disingenuous or hypocritical, it's actually quite a common human trait.

>>2777425
>Leftists aren't the only people who are capable of being disingenuous or hypocritical
True. For all the reasons above. I can tell you that they do not want to live near black people, but will do the same moral prostrating about it even to other conservatives. It's N-word this and that one day, but I love black people the next. I don't trust conservatives for those same reasons.

>>2777370
Conservatives do claim to be about community, liberals are openly capitalist individualists.
Liberal's ideals is the embrace of class privilege and the creation of a false notions of "identity privilege" their entire existance is to turn workers against workers based. Conservatives are merely the other side of that fight. They're the same.

Do you really want to go round and round arguing about whether Coke or Pepsi tastes better? Why can't you just address what was written in the original post instead of derailing the conversation into meaningless quibbling over trivial bullshit?


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