/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2777310
>Marx was never a moralfag and based his ideas in the fact he believed the collapse of Capitalism was inevitable.
Was that actually Marx or later "Marxists"? I think it might be better to say that capitalism is historically unstable rather than thinking it's inevitably going to collapse, since even if it does "collapse" that can serve as the basis for its reorganization or expansion. Like the unresolved world-historical problem isn't capitalism being in any danger or imminent collapse but its ongoing existence. A lot of communists also wear distorted ideological goggles which leads them to think anything that happens is a happening burger.

Idk what do you guys think. Begin arguing now.

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>>2777310
I've not read it, but to those interested here is his critique:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1863/theories-surplus-value/post-ricardian.htm

>>2777333
>A lot of communists also wear distorted ideological goggles which leads them to think anything that happens is a happening burger.
There has been not a single proper "happening" (as in an event of actual consequence where something radically "changes") since WW2, and there will most likely not be one until climate change starts hitting really hard.

>>2777362
>There has been not a single proper "happening" since WW2
COVID was a happening if there ever was one, 9/11 even pales in comparison.

>>2777310
>based his ideas in the fact he believed the collapse of Capitalism was inevitable
never read marx award

>>2777362
the last trve happening was in 1917 this is well known

>>2777310
Marx saw plenty of times that revolution failed in his own life. Actually failed, not succeeded and built the most powerful industrial country to ever exist, two times. What you would call a failure because it doesn't solve all problems would, in fact, be an almost unimaginable success to Marx because he was thinking dialectically. He celebrated the Paris Commune while you whine about enormous socialist superstates with populations larger than America's. It's comical.

>>2777310
Capital has become increasingly reactionary since Marx died and has outsourced the productive forces to the semi-periphery, including even its Socialist enemies, and has engaged in all sorts of madness to maintain falling profit rates besides outsourcing:

>destruction of the productive forces (especially through insurance fraud, endless wars, and false flag attacks)
>prison labor (neo-slavery)
>an increasing portion of commodities are rented out repeatedly or treated as services since they are not profitable upon a one-time sale (neo-feudalism, you see this especially with software-as-a-service)
>"disruption" of traditional service industries by the unnecessary introduction of software services which only enshittify that industry (see municipal taxi industries being destroyed by rideshare apps)
>rolling back of concessions made to the labor movements of the 20th century through privatization, deregulation, austerity, union busting
>the rolling back of reproductive rights of women for the purpose of turning them into tradwife baby factories to pump out more workers
>the enrollment of the downwardly mobile petty bourgeoisie into fascist programs whose nominal aim is to restore their lost glory, but whose real aim is to use them as cannon fodder against the rising global south and police against the re-emerging proletariat
>the revolt against materialism/science/secularism and the encouragement of idealist/magical/religious systems of thought to control the ideological spectrum of society and limit the capability of the re-emerging proletariat to effectively strategize
>the denial of unsustainable crises like the climate crisis
>the stratification of the proletariat with identity politics along every imaginable axis: sex, age, race, ethnicity, language, nationality, etc. to prevent their unification against capital

this state of affairs is very desperate however good Communist theorists (of whom there are many besides Marx) usually avoid the teleological rhetoric of "inevitability," though sometimes they fail to do this, which I confess is unscientific. I would say the permanent collapse of Capitalism is not "inevitable". It has frequent and awful crises.

Recommended reading:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3m7MWWUZfY

Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
2:59 | 1. The Destruction of the Productive Forces
14:10 | 2. The Revolt against the Machine
29:04 | 3. The Revolt against Science
40:29 | 4. The Revolt against "Democracy" and Parliament
50:45 | 5. "National Self-Sufficiency"
1:05:10 | 6. War as the Final "Solution"