Were the fashies triggered by him depicting them accurately in Salo, therefore they went out of their way to prove him right by abducting, torturing, and murdering him? Or was he just a libtard bourgeois film maker making exploitative torture porn and got killed completely randomly?
Interested in what y'alls various takes are.
Pasolini was murdered on 2 November 1975 at a beach in Ostia.[70] Almost unrecognizable, Pasolini was savagely beaten, and run over several times with his own car. Multiple bones were broken and his testicles were crushed by what appeared to have been a metal bar.[6][71] An autopsy revealed that his body had been partially burned with petrol after his death. The crime was long viewed as a Mafia-style revenge killing, one that was extremely unlikely to have been carried out by only one person. Pasolini was buried at the cemetery of Casarsa della Delizia.
Giuseppe "Pino" Pelosi (1958–2017), then 17 years old, was caught driving Pasolini's car and confessed to the murder. He was convicted and sentenced to nine years in prison in 1976,[6] initially with "unknown others", but that phrase was later removed from the verdict.[64][72] Twenty-nine years later, on 7 May 2005, Pelosi retracted his confession, which he said had been made under the threat of violence to his family.[73] He claimed that three people "with a southern accent" had committed the murder, while insulting Pasolini as a "dirty communist."[74]
Other evidence uncovered in 2005 suggested that Pasolini had been murdered by an extortionist. Testimony by his friend Sergio Citti indicated that some of the rolls of film from Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom had been stolen, and that Pasolini planned to meet with and negotiate its return from the thieves on 2 November 1975 following a visit to Stockholm, Sweden.[75][76][77][78] Citti's investigation uncovered additional evidence, including a bloody wooden stick and an eyewitness who said he saw a group of men pull Pasolini from the car.[64][72] The Rome police reopened the murder as a cold case after Pelosi's retraction, but the investigative magistrates responsible for the investigation found that the new elements were insufficient to justify a continued inquiry.
Speculation that Pasolini's murder was connected to the Propaganda Due (P2) masonic lodge emerged in the 1990s, after his writings were revealled to have linked the P2 member Eugenio Cefis with violent crimes.[79][80][81][82] As of 2023, a plea to reopen the case was filed based on DNA analysis and links the murder to the Banda della Magliana, a criminal organisation with close ties to P2 and far-right terrorism, as the probable culprits.[6][83][84]
>>2778463i already read the wiki. i wanted to see if people here had more interesting takes
It was the fash and the upper class of italy working togther to kill him.
If you understand ᴉuᴉlossnW rise to power, they did this during it as well - the upper classes allied with the fash and carried out violent purges of rural farmer communists - Pasolini was just a carry on of this marriage. The thing is they would also act against the church, which at times was aligned with Pasolini and the workers movements.
The thing also was, it wasnt even the police - the police in Italy where mostly working class boys from rural villages, which was where socialism bloomed in Italy. They found themselves facing a post ww2 reality of the mob, the fash and the entrenched politicals from nazi-ww2 all beating down on there family and friends. Passolini was a victim of this.
>>2778707but do you think his final movie Salo directly motivated the killing because it showed what sickos fash were?
It's very likely that Propaganda Due was responsible for his murder, and paid the mafia to get rid of him and make an example to what happen if you are too subversive. Salo is just the tip of the iceberg for its shock value, he was initially an edgy communist writer and poet against Catholic religion. Italy was the Western European country where communism was the most popular, GLADIO started for this reason, and Pasolini was already influential among the arty left-wing of Italy before Salo. Many "unexplained" deaths/suicides/bombings happened during that time, see the 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station, and the death of Giuseppe Pinelli, there are even suspicions that the Red Brigades were manipulated by SISMI into killing Aldo Moro because he was the last non-corrupted centrist politician of Italy. Silvio Berlusconi was part of Propaganda Due by the way.
I'm sorry, I made a mistake, Pasolini wasn't anti-Catholic. However he was openly gay, and Italy is a somewhat conservative country. It's kinda ironic because he also celebrated the traditional culture of Italy and despised Americanization. He also knew about GLADIO and P2 25 years before it was public knowledge. In any case he was a weird edgy man, rather dangerous for an intellectual during a time of political instability.
Also forgot to mention, but regarding Aldo Moro, but he wanted the Christian Democrats to make an alliance with PCI. I know adventurism is a thing, and hardline MLs hate Eurocommunists like Berlinguer, but isn't it weird that the Red Brigades would specifically target a centrist who was willing to compromise with communists? Secret services also do inflitrate radical organizations. Anyway, the Years of Lead in Italy were a really wild time, but it didn't end up well for the left there.
>>2780139Yeah pretty much, it was Pasolini's hit piece against the upper class and the fash, they are both prominent in them.
Its like if someone made an actual film depicting the 500 days of sodom today on Epstein island and trump and made a film that was just trump and Epstein torturing working class boys and girls for years in graphic detail. You can bet someone in the upper class is going to shoot who ever makes that film.
>>2780370
you could say that about half the shit on the catty
>>2780286We should make that film
>>2780286>>2780508Since nobody replied Im making a movie
"One Decade of Epstein"
A movie about Trump and Epstein and other political and pop culture figures doing the worst crimes imaginable on the island.
>>2780788get ryan gosling to play trump and zayzay to play esptein
>>2780370
i don't know about op but i'm capable of abstract thinking. for example maybe OP already had an opinion and just wanted to have a discussion with others. maybe you aren't actually stating your real opinion but are just addicted to replies.
>>2778455>>2778707>>2780286Just because fascists killed him doesn’t mean we have to defend a bourgeois pederast who made torture-porn movie.
>>2781087>torture porntorture porn is just an accurate depiction of fascism and sometimes you need to accurately depict fascism to get people to realize what it is. that's why they were triggered into killing him
>bourgeois pederastevidence?
>>2781094Fascists can become comrades and vice versa, pretentious rerards will remain degenerates.
>>2781130>i hallucinated where you live>i hallucinated what you thinkdamn that's crazy
>>2778455How big do protests need to be to stop a fascist government?
>>2781151bout three fiddy
>>2781145Again this magical thinking about Fascism is something I see from westerner's
>>2781130>fascism is just hecking syndicalism you fucking westoid, they would never torture peopleget a grip ᴉuᴉlossnW
>>2781130>he thinks "fascist" follow the thought of ᴉuᴉlossnW instead of their base impulsescap,they don't read shit
>>2781167>>2781163By that logic, all communists torture and rape because of Beria. I find the way Westerners talk about fascism akin to how Christians talk about Satanists, it’s trite and lame. Communists in my country have to work with Islamists and ethnic nationalists because we are adults who are serious about politics, while western leftists charging windmills at imaginary Fascists for 50 years.
>>2781130wtf is this image. switch revolutionary syndicalism with national syndicalism. And put soralian syndicalism before national syndicalism
>>2781253aw hell naw it's dem epstein diddyahh file!!
>>2781265LGBT censorship laws
>>2781268The kremlin have gone bananas
>>2781268thats some top shelf idpol retardium on their behalf honestly, the depths of the orthodox church and its reactionary nature will always be depressing to me.
>>2781417>>2781356Pederasts from Israel
>>2781205>By that logic, all communists torture and rape because of Beriayou are not using the same logic as the person you are responding to, but substituting an imaginary logic.
anon's actual logic: pasolini accurately depicts fascists because fascists often rape and torture
your substitute logic: you are saying all fascists rape and torture because of what a few did (nobody said that) therefore you are also saying that all communists rape and torture because muh beria
your conclusion doesn't follow your premise, and your premise isn't even based on anon's logic.
>>2781657You might be right, but I do find the Western left's obsession with the Fascist spectre rather pretentious. I remember westerners in 2017 just kept saying that ISIS were Fascists, it was as if it were a sacred word from which a demon would be exercised.
>>2781087>bourgeois pederastquit larping
>>2781645>Pederasts from IsraelYes, indeed the orthodox church clergy are all israeli pederasts who love to molest children
I, personally killed him.
A.M.A
>>2781753How old are you now? 80?
>>2781265>>2781645>>2781356>>2781268Better declare Russia public enemy no.1
>>2781703Words have meanings that change over time. Fascist means a far right psycho who's OK with killing people who are different from them in ethnicity, religion, culture etc and that describes 99% of them to a T, including ISIS and a bunch of other far right Islamists. You're just offended by this because you either support those fascists or are not bothered by them enough to not ally with them.
>>2781793Blahblahblah, your mom gott fucked by Puglia chads, it's life
>>2781793I live in Pakistan, and calling an Islamist a Fascist would be so absurd that no one would take me seriously and they would be right. Calling Islamists or neoliberals Fascists is genuinely stupid, it makes you come across as retarded.
>>2781714The truth is that you want your leaders to be Fascist because you want to feel like rebels. Despite holding leading positions in academia, Western leftists have done jack shit for 60 years. All they’ve done is be clowns and that’s why they love Fascism, because it explains why the Western left has never accomplished anything, it’s because of those dastardly Fascists.
>>2781811Peter Thiel is literally related to Mosley, fascism is alive and in power and your retarded crack smoke seethe narrative wont change that.
>>2781838>Peter Thiel is literally related to MosleyWhat in the bananers are u talkin about, m8
>>2781811Banal crocodile tears, the "western left" as any left (the left hand of capital) currently is, on the contrary, obsessed with the actionist dictum of "doing things" solely for their sake, an exalted fascist virtue.
>>2781860>Mosley>senior role at IDF linked PalantirLmao
But seriously, are we arguing now that fascism is when you have ancestors who were in the fascist party?
>>2781871You do know what he meant by that? He wasn’t some insane blood purist like the Nazis, but he intended to wipe out everyone’s in the Mediterranean culture and have them all LARP as Romans.
>>2781645I'm a pederast from AES
>>2781895Yeah i hate Thiel and all the silicon valley homunculus but they're in the tradition of randian cosmopolitan robber barrons, they have hardly anything in common with recognisable facsism unless you define it at being rich.
>>2781873>muh left always means left wing of capital>muh doing things is bad, stay in armchair foreverwhat brought you to "lefty"pol.org
>>2786167>i'm proud of being ignorantGo back to 4chin with the rest of the burger cattle.
>>2786172not that anon but do you except the entire world to know of the existence of some degenerate film producer
>>2786181>degenerateI agree with the rest of your point, but fuck off with that reactionary ignorance.
>>2786167the director of salo
>>2781811>you want your leaders to be Fascist because you want to feel like rebelswhat if I think my leaders are fascist because they actually are and i don't in fact feel like a rebel but acknowledge that i'm a do nothing coward?
>>2789481The fact that you aren’t in a camp and that your nation hasn’t imprisoned, exiled, or killed its political dissidents tells me that you must have one of the most ineffective groups of authoritarians ever. Again this literally confirms my view, you want your leaders to be Fascist because you want to feel like a rebel. You’re unwilling to acknowledge material reality, like every western leftist that’s why the western left is in the state it is.
My country is not Fascist, it’s a corrupt hybrid regime, but I still could be jailed for my real political opinions about the state religion. I could be murdered if I speak against certain political figures who might send party thugs to kill me me. Still, I do what I can within my limitations and that’s what most of us do here.
I’m going to give you the same advice the Vietnamese delegation gave the Weather Underground, donate whatever you can spare and write to your congressman. That’s it, that’s all anyone has asked from the western left.
>>2789518Fascism is liberalism in crisis
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