If there exists class conflict between proletarians and bourgeoisie and historically proletarians have established their supremacy in certain countries and certain time periods like the dictatorship of the proletariat under Stalin in USSR for example was t

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Anonymous 12-04-26 19:01:39 No.2779227

If there exists class conflict between proletarians and bourgeoisie and historically proletarians have established their supremacy in certain countries and certain time periods like the dictatorship of the proletariat under Stalin in USSR for example was there ever a place where Lumpenproletariat has won the class struggle and established themselves as the ruling class?
Would it even be possible for Lumpenproletariat to seize the power and make their class interest the dominant one? How would such system look like and function?
Is there any political party at this moment advocating for the interest of lumpenproletariat?

Who even constitutes XXI century Lumpenproletariat?

Anonymous 12-04-26 19:21:32 No.2779258

marx describes bonapartism as the political mobilisation of the lumpen in his "eighteenth brumaire". its my opinion that fascism largely builds power from the lumpen, rather than the petty bourgeois

Anonymous 12-04-26 19:26:11 No.2779267

>>2779258
In your opinion did the original Italian fascism REALLY draw power from the Lumpenproletariat?

Unless you consider ww1 vets to be Lumpenproletariat

Anonymous 12-04-26 19:27:59 No.2779270

~~>>2779268~~
In that case could military junta be considered the triumph of lumpen class?

Anonymous 12-04-26 19:53:49 No.2779314

A portion of the lumpen proles, that being the criminal class, usually get into government positions and become capitalists. That's why this portion at least isn't revolutionary.

Anonymous 12-04-26 19:56:23 No.2779320

>>2779227
Failed states are generally like that, Haiti is a great exemple, a country controlled by a coalition of gangs with no real meaning or revolutionnary potential.

Anonymous 12-04-26 20:00:23 No.2779328

>>2779320
>Eliminate the currency because there is no minting or central banking
>State withers away
>Bourgeoisie cant exploit the working class because means of production dont exist
Maybe the REAL revolutionary class were the lumpenproles all along?

Anonymous 13-04-26 01:22:35 No.2779937

>>2779227
lumpens and petty bourgeois are minority classes that act like individualist loner antihero edgelords and usually side with either the proletariat or bourgeoisie based on their personal whims.

Anonymous 13-04-26 03:21:40 No.2780041

>>2779937
Sounds like they are the protagonists
>act like individualist loner antihero edgelords and usually side with either the proletariat or bourgeoisie based on their personal whims.

Anonymous 13-04-26 03:22:38 No.2780043

Lumpen cops

Anonymous 13-04-26 03:50:27 No.2780059

>Lumpenproletariat has won the class struggle and established themselves as the ruling class
"What a country!" - retarded illiterate pedo Jeffrey Epstein on class mobility
>>2780043
>Lumpen cops
"ICE is a counter-revolution of satanic guys who can't do productive labor against devout Catholics who actually produce real material value in their communities"

Anonymous 13-04-26 06:42:59 No.2780142

~~>>2780056~~
Nah, lumpens are lame. They're like failed actors who become conspiracy theorists. Proles are good.

Anonymous 13-04-26 17:58:06 No.2780586

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>>2779227
The great Lumpenproletariat are being organised in fascist anarchist squats in order to march against any worker's state available.

Anonymous 13-04-26 18:59:35 No.2780630

>>2779258
The lumpenproletariat is just a scapegoat for the labor aristocracy. Fucking Social Demokkkrats scapegoat queer people and the poor instead of their own labor aristocracy.

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