We have arguably reset back to a time right around the time of marx's life or right after his death. The 1990s free market triumphalism ended in 2008 but the new era also does not resemble the cold war era. We are back in an era of great powers, but the social democratic compromise has mostly broken down. Massive levels of financialization. Workers have no parties for themselves, and the labor movement is weak but burgeoning.
We need to go back to the mass socialist parties before the 1914 split, SPD, SPA, PSOE etc. Though these parties have mostly degenerated into capitalist parties that don't even claim marxism anymore or just dont exist like the SPA, new attempts are currently starting at building new mass marxist parties, DSA in america, die linke in germany etc.
Attempts at trying to replicate a highly disciplined leninist vanguard have just repeatedly resulted hundreds of tiny sects. that stay irrelevant and go nowhere. We need to retrace our steps back to the late 19th century, and stop trying to create yet another vanguard book club with 5 people
>fordist workerism leads to inevitable ruin
>we need more fordist workerism
Kautskyist garbage. Fuck off.
>>2782067Notice I wasn’t advocating for fordist workerism, before their degeneration. The mass socialist parties were revolutionary parties
>>2782075Mass parties, the "workers' movement", opposition to "financialization" are are Fordist workerism however.
>>2782075>Mass socialist parties>Die Linke>SPDAre you drunk or something?
>>2782695yes precicesly he was, lots of people when they attempt to reinvent small disciplined "vanguards" don't know this
>>2782715There is no working class movement as such (a movement who's members see themselves first and foremost as workingmen) with which the socialist (intellectual, intelligentsia) movement can merge with. Have you read Plekhanov? You might appreciate his memoirs on the Russian worker in the Russian revolution. He writes about the 1880s and its remarkably contemporary in its description.
>>2782031Will your proposal result in an eventual vanguard, or are you suggesting that repeating the 19th century workers' movement today will result in something different? Lenin called for the end of the Third Period in
What Is To Be Done but you are saying RETVRN to Third Period because we are living in a repeat of those material conditions?
>>2782695>Lenin was a Kautskyiteuntil 1914 when Kautsky became a renegade, revolutionary defencist, and nationalist. Lenin ironically gets accused by clowns on here of being a Russian Robespierre, nothing more than a national bourgeois revolutionary for semi-feudal Russia, who brought about Capitalism in a Red Dress. But no bourgeois revolutionary ever did revolutionary defeatism.
>>2782719there is a weak but burgeoning workers movement right now, like I said our era most resembles that of marx's in that way
>die linkie
>marxist
wut
>>2782031The obvious difference between then and now is that 150 years of industrial and national development have taken place. We have a mature, global capitalist economy that is beset by crisis due to declining profit rates and overproduction.
Mass socialist parties don't exist because workers have been anaesthetized by mass media and civil society, while their power is denied by deindustrialization and capital flight. This means that the opportunist compromises of social democracy and Marxism-Leninism are not possible, but it also means mobilizing people for actual communism is very difficult.