/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

They want to sacrifice most of humanity to create their messianic utopia whereby the surviving goyim are their slaves. This is literally what Chabad-Lubavitch believes.

There are basically two groups in Israel, both are Zionist and share similar end goals, but differ in their approach. The “liberal” Zionists generally want to maintain current borders, while still accepting or supporting settlers expanding into Palestinian land and back militias that use force against those who try to reclaim it. On the other hand, the right-wing Zionists(people like Ben Gvir) think that approach is too slow. They’d rather use the IDF to take over all the land they believe belongs to them. both prefer Palestinians to leave on their own, but if that doesn’t happen, they’re not likely to stop.

>>2782961
>What exactly is israel's endgame with gaza? So far only 80k people out of 2.3 million if israel wanted to genocide them all they would've done so already.
Literally hasbara

The goal is to act like a good hegemon attack dog and rediscipline MENA under NATO's boot. For the average Israeli jew the ethnostate project is part of the bribe they get from NATO. Getting rid of Gaza and the UNRWA and generally conceding to the maximalis demands of the Zios is part of advancing the ethnostate. It also justifies literally anything Israelis demand, as keeping them happy enough to face eternal conflict while offsetting their seething supremacist hysteria, is existential for NATO.

Alas, the left can't even manage to make a dent in electoralism, much less actual material support for genocide. But, worry not, they'll put out a bajillion statements on the correct position to have. Then join the most spineless liberal Zionist coalition with socdems, in the political equivalent of being paid "in exposure".

>>2783140

This entire site is hasbara.

>>2782961
>80k people out of 2.3 million
those are direct deaths and don't include deaths do to disease, starvation or suicide.
The real number is likely many times higher

Kill them all
They can't kick them out because refugees have the right to return. Despite not caring about UN law they want there to be absolutely no right or reason for there to be Palestinians there.

>>2782961
>What exactly is israel's endgame with gaza?
They're making Gaza uninhabitable (very obvious) to stimulate the Palestinian population there to leave. The Palestinians were stuck when the war started because Egypt wouldn't take them in. But I think the Israeli strategy is to use scorced earth tactics to make it impossible to live there, literally bulldozing the territory, so over time the Palestinian population that is huddling along the coasts in tents dwindles from disease and untreated medical problems along with population drain from people who are permitted into Egypt and then leave for other countries over time.

>So far only 80k people out of 2.3 million if israel wanted to genocide them all they would've done so already.
People end up debating "genocide" as a technical / legal thing according to post-WWII definition rather than using language to describe what Israel is really doing, which comes close to it. They order people to leave areas, and then wantonly bomb and destroy those areas and kill people fleeing on foot, and then move in with troops and occupy it and then flatten it in a gigantic demolition project.

>>2782969
Please don't tell me you honestly believe this crap.

Trump said it out loud: Build a tourist resort.
That's literally it. That's the priority of the most powerful men in the world who rule above you.

>>2782961
80k is what the IDF admits.
The real number is much higher.

>>2782969
You're a liberal

Solving Overproduction through creative destruction

>>2783140
>Israel is base of western imperialism
Are people really doing this when the course of the war has proven otherwhise. Let me guess, you also think Mizrahim are marginalized or persecuted. Israel today is as an ethno-national Jewish state. There was once a more Ashkenazi-led, secular liberal vision that aimed to align closely with the West, but that this shifted when Begin rose to power with significant support from Mizrahi voters.

>>2783575

I think this is because both RW Hasbara, philosemitic anti-Zionists and the kosher right push this idea that Israel is somehow this white ethno-state, when this couldn’t be further from the truth.

Israel is a theocratic settler-colonial project that defines itself in exclusionary terms, but let’s not forget the multiracial nature of said project wherein the Ashkenazi/white Jews are outnumbered by the Mizrahi/brown and Beta Israel/black Jews, with Israel favouring uneducated brown Jews over educated white Slavic fake “Jews”. And of course, Israel is basically as poor as any other Middle Eastern country, with a 1/3 living in poverty:

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-885066

https://www.timesofisrael.com/almost-2-million-israelis-below-poverty-line-in-2024-including-1-in-4-kids-annual-report/

People need to disabuse themselves of the “white supremacy” line in regards to Israel and actually critique the actual issue, which is Jewish supremacism.

>>2783232
It's higher but not that much. It's a botched half hassed genocide regardless and the israeli military is not as powerful or bullet proof as people believes and Gazans arent passive and demoralized like eastern jews or ottoman armenians were despite the constant mayhem and slow attrition.
There is a 5D chess theory TRS chuds have that Israel make gaza unhabitable while not killing them ouright because they want to send millions of refugees in europe but i don't buy it, Israel is just not good at doing quick ethnic cleasing and it's army/generals arent what they used to be.

>>2783635
Israel is a bizarre case because its RW support the mixing of these different groups, while its liberal blocs (who are still Zionist) often favor keeping these groups separate and preserving each group’s distinct history.
>>2783646
The goal is about sending them to Egypt and Jordan, like they did in the past

read machiavelli and you will understand

>>2783668
I don't think they'll take them because while Arab elites are gigacucks their population are 99% fanatically anti-israel and would take welcoming them as betraying arabs and sucking jewish cock. It's the reason Gaza still exist today btw.

>>2782961
They wish to bring about the Jewish messiah. The religious nuts over there have similar goals to the evangelicals trying to cause armageddon in the us.

>>2782961
Gaza isn't the center of Israel's desires, Israel only views Gaza on the long term, thats why they aren't bothering with rapid genocide, but rather concentrated with starving the place and destroying the infrastructure.
Israel's main goals are in the West Bank, their objective is to get rid of Palestinians there in order to annex the place.
With the large scale regional instability, they are also seeing opportunities in unstable state such as Lebanon and Syria.
Their interest in this expansion are two fold, they are getting rid of ennemies, and they are causing internal troubles in these countries as their annexations make these countries unstable due to the apparent weakness of the government.
Israel has the nuclear weapon, they know that no serious power can threaten them. Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, even Iran, none of them can destroy Israel even if they wanted to, because Israel can obliterate those countries, they don't view Palestine as a threat anymore either. Gaza has also opened the mind of the people in charge of Israel, as it showed them that they could commit a genocide with barely any consequences, so they realise that no one is stopping them in their expansion.
And yet here we are again, Israel taking over south Lebanon and not a word is a spoken internationally.
I think this is something more and more country are realising, America is unable and unwilling to keep the borders of the post cold war world, thats why you're seeing a lot more wars between states (Ukraine, Israel, Thailand-Cambodia, Afghanistan-Pakistan-India)

>>2782961
The death toll is definitely wayyyy higher than 80k, and you also have to account for refugees who have fled.