>Just two more weeks until they abolish capitalism with chinese characteristics and transition to real socialism and then the ccp will just willingly relinquish all military economic and political power to the people
Do china simps really believe this lol?
GML-5-turbo (chinese) produces a better marxist analysis of Pokemon society than I have ever seen made by a human online (there aren't a lot, so i think i have seen all of them) than google's gemini (barely marxist and very skinbones) so I will root for them even if they are a bourgeois state.
It is not an unfair comparison even if GML-5-turbo is a thinking model and gemini is non-thinking since both of them provide them for free without account registration, so GML (chinese) is better
That's not really their main problem right now. "Real communism" requires endless energy and resources (e.g. at minimum you need nuclear fusion and better alternatives to Li-ion) and almost all work, especially blue-collar, to be automated. Can't terraform Mars without the necessary technological advancements.
Some more low-hanging fruit issues are:
Not successfully ending 996 work culture (it still goes on without actual enforcement against it)
Not effectively using government resources to help corral unemployed youth into infrastructure projects
Their autistic maintenance of Gaokao and its strict hierarchical structure of Chinese society (as opposed to learning from Finland which beats or matches China in PISA scores) due to "muh 5000 year civilizational tradition."
Not successfully pivoting the youth away from STEM which has caused elite overproduction
Not successfully pivoting the youth away from seeking to be come bureaucrats instead of more productive workers and entrepreneurs
Not effectively preventing sex-selective abortion against daughters
Too much emphasis on coastal urbanization
>>2783463>By 2035: Achieve “basic socialist modernization.”>By 2049: Become a “fully modern socialist country” so still almost a decade left
https://unifoundry.com/unifont/>The People's Republic of China (PRC) has a set of 15-by-16 pixel Chinese glyphs for Unicode Plane 2 and Plane 3. However, those glyphs are copyrighted and licensed for sale by the Government of the PRC, and thus they cannot be used in a free font. If you happen to have any of those copyrighted 15-by-16 pixel glyphs, please do not send them for inclusiondengoids will see this and still bootlick the CPC
flood >>2783463of course not they are real socialism now
>>2783517China still hires "white only" English teachers and places a huge preference on Americans. Some only work 4 hours a day and still get paid 2x or more what native regular teachers get paid.
>>2783780The good thing is the Chinese can't tell, my cousin is a lighter-skinned middle eastern guy who passes himself as white in China and they buy it
>>2783517>Not effectively preventing sex-selective abortion against daughtersHello, what the fuck
Dumping ones socialist state onto the will of the reactionary masses is an awful idea.
I like China because of its resistance to American PSYOPs through hierarchical control.
Notice how Chinatards use le progressive colonialism excuse when defending Chinese investors rape of third world countries like mine
>>2783866>minedidn't know CIA headquarters were considered a country
>>2783853Those men were enemies with eachother, not to mention averge Vietnamese hates Chinese
China and the west are two sides of the same rotten coin, China is the drug dealer for America’s shopaholics
>>2783891The CIA is the reason China has investments in my country lmao
>>2783905The CIA is why Mao survived the long march and headed into power
>>2783906Well considering every third world prole who hates his rapists is CIA I don't doubt it
>>2783866the historically massive trade surpluses China makes from the third world somehow never counts as exploitation
>>2783808he's Afghan and again not even blond hair, he's brown and kinda tannish but they still belive he's a white guy
>>2783517>w. "Real communism" requires endless energy and resources (e.g. at minimum you need nuclear fusion and better alternatives to Li-ion) and almost all work, especially blue-collar, to be automated. Can't terraform Mars without the necessary technological advancements.disagree. read this post
>>2783907 >>2783906Good thing Mao isn’t considered politically relevant in China. Among Chinese Marxist circles Engels and Bukharin are the two most cited authorities. Mao is seen as someone who was useful in winning the war, but whose theories are flawed and not worth value. There are probably more “Maoists” in the West than in all of China.
China is already socialist. All military and economic power already belong to the people. In China the exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated. The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established.
>>2784008They make bullshit for western consumers
>>2784009China makes a lot of things. China is primary producer of cutting edge means of producing means of production. A world where China doesnt make more and more of everything is a world where socialism dies.
>>2784018did Gemini also told you to post this video
>>2784040Your parasocial disorder is being triggered again
>>2783873Parenti, for all his cool analysis, failed to implement it in regards to China. He doubted historians' accounts on Caesar, but failed to doubt propaganda against China
>>2783873Parenti went senile before the "Dengist" (Marxism-Leninism applied to the material conditions of 1980s China) Gambit really started to finally pay off in an undeniable way in the early 2010s. So I do not blame him. And that Parenti quote is true even if he failed to apply it to China.
Dengism is revisionism
>>2784009I like my 3D printer from China.
>>2784024These "is China socialist or not" debates are so boring to me now. There's orientalism and enough of a language barrier that there's obfuscation so people think they're either hyper-capitalist (and they love it) or communist (and love it) or they're communists doing hyper-capitalism when the time is right for Cultural Revolution 2.0 trust the plan. But it's really a society that has somehow urbanized over 600 million rural people in 30 years. So you get this hyper-modern cashless society co-existing alongside crappy construction (though they do actually repair it) and a kind of residual peasant anarchism so people straight up riot when contracts are violating instead of going to court. (That's what "rule of law" means in the core socialist values and why the government is spending billions on expanding the legal system.)
>>2784225Dengism isn't a theory and revised nothing. Deng Xiaoping merely applied Marxism-Leninism to the material conditions of 1980s China with mixed short term effects but very good long term effects he didn't live to see.
>>2784008The so called "Phase D" of capitalism as described by Engels in "Duhring".
>>2784254"Marxism-leninism" is Stalinism. Therefore dengism is stalinism
China is not that anti american either if we are being honest, therefore not that based. Better than nothing I guess
>>2784334Ah, the very accomplished communists of india
You know it'd be better for themto admit that china is socialist because otherwise it appears as if the reason india is a shithole is because of some racial deficiency
>>2784252>But it's really a society that has somehow urbanized over 600 million rural people in 30 years>somehowIt's called socialism
>>2784355capitalism has famously never urbanized vast rural populations or improved living standards
>>2784383historically illiterate idiot hours
>>2784396i <3 social democracy too
>>2783803They still prefer sons
At least they don't leave the daughters in the woods or throw them off cliffs like in the old days
>>2784210>>2784224Parenti wrote that about Chyana before he uttered this quote you keep posting
>>2783596Seethe and cope libtard
China is the most cucked to the west country in existence, and that's exactly due to the international nature of capital that assraped this national socialist project.
I'd genuinely kill myself if I was a denglib who believed bowing to US culture hegemony while maintaining an billion strong slave army to produce commodities for them is humanity's last hope
It's like your masochist brain was built to be dominated
>>2784346Marxists believe in le human nature, people are created equal and their material conditions don't play a role in their equal development undet capitalism. That's definitely something Marx and Lenin believed xd
I think a lot of young online communists on the English internet have a flawed view of China because they absolutely want to believe in a myth they created themselves, that mainland China is this epic anti-imperialist ultra-advanced communist society fighting a noble struggle against evil Westoids. But not even the official CPC propaganda pretends they are as such, and most of these people don't want to investigate how life in China truly is.
When you visit Tier 1 and 2 cities in China, it's surprisingly underwhelming at first because it's very similar to Western cities. Tier 3 cities seem to be a bit more different, it's more rough around the edges, but it's still pretty convenient.
Then while traveling with a slow night train, I saw many underdeveloped agricultural parts that look like Eastern Europe or the third-world. China is a massive country, as big as Europe, this cannot be understated enough.
But the people lead completely normal lives there. They work at a job to get money in order to pay for food, rent and everything else, just people do in the West.
They have relatively low wages (that's in part why Chinese products are so cheap), but the price of food and many basic necessities is also relatively cheap. High-speed trains for the average worker however, are expensive.
Despite massive surveillance and censorship (face scans, CCTV everywhere, Great Firewall of China, etc.) you can do what you want as long as you respect some rules, like not harshly criticizing the government, not doing drugs, etc. Most people are okay with this arrangement, and actually daily life in China is more chaotic than you would think, but quite a few young people who speaks good English want to move out to Europe, because youth unemployment is currently a problem in Chinese society.
Does this ring a bell? Yes, that's exactly the same problem other developed capitalist countries have at the moment.
And wealth disparity is also a thing: The CEOs of companies like Tencent or JD.com and high-level party bureaucrats absolutely do not live the same life as a normal worker working at a convenience store, at all.
I could go on and on, but as saying goes:
>If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, then it must be a duck
So I don't think China is this epic benevolent communist country a lot of online communists depict. It's a normal country, which does some good things, and God knows I miss the time I've spent in China, but they also have a normal capitalist economy with its lot of structural problems.
The CPC can try to fix those issues, but state intervention into the economy is nothing new, it's only a foreign concept for Anglos who have been fed propaganda about how any state intervention is literally communism.
Also, sometimes the government mismanage things (e.g. COVID-19).
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However, one thing that made me respect the CPC a lot more, is visiting its neighborhood: Vietnam.
Vietnamese people are very nice, kind and hospitable, but also the usual negative stereotypes about China seems to be actually true here.
And I don't think it's truly the fault of the average Vietnamese person, who is poor and has to make some money to survive. The problem is that while the government passes some reasonable legislation to make things better, it's barely enforced. So people burn trash in the streets, air pollution is terrible, questionable food get sold, people get scammed (not just tourists, also Viets), police can be corrupt, some teenagers kidnap dogs to sell them to butchers, etc. This is real.
What I respect about the CPC is that China used to have these problems and managed to stop these issues over the span of a few decades. Life in China could be much more chaotic when you factor it the sheer size of its population. Yet somehow it's extremely safe and rather well maintained, trains run on time, and so on.
Maybe sometimes it lost a bit of edge and people told me the nightlife used to be more exciting for example, maybe they could also relax censorship a little bit (without giving complete freedom to Falun Gong, fuck them) but I think they did a good job to make the life of citizens better and that's the most important.
Now, maybe once the USA and Israel stop ruining the lives of everyone else, they can do even better.
>>2784412Material conditions in India and China were very similar only as recently as 50 years ago, India was even somewhat better off. Yet now one largely remains a giant slum while the other leads the world in many regards. Either there is a fundamental, qualitative difference in productive relations or indians just suck and dao-confucian spooks are superior to hindu spooks
>>2784416No they weren't.
>communism when line goes upMy favourite AES is America and to say otherwise is white supremacy
>>2784383Capitalism has not uplifted 600 million people out of third world level impoverishment in 3 decades no. Certainly not in the current day
>>2784438True. It uplifted more.
>>2784438So 50s-70s Japan, South Korea, and post-war Western Europe was based AES
>>2783463China is a communist country stupid, they don't have democracy or the free market and they're enemies of the United States
>>2784442It uplifted less in more time, at a much higher cost
>>2784443No or we would have seen the kind of numbers and scale of poverty reduction we see in china, but we don't. Those are post war economic growth, fueled by imperialism. Not radical transformations of third world level poverty to advanced economies, with the exception of SK whose transition did begin in the 60s, but was an of an insignificant scale in comparison to what happened in China
>>2784006This is true. The museum on the history of the CPC in Shanghai surprisingly spend little time talking about Mao, and more as a war general than a political leader. The museum focus more on figures like Sun Yat-sen, Chen Duxiu and Zhou Enlai.
Not to mention, The Gang of Four was ousted after people publicly mourned the death of Zhou Enlai, who was seen as a reasonable leader, and people decided they had enough of a decade of chaotic Cultural Revolution and now wanted peace.
>>2784252>But it's really a society that has somehow urbanized over 600 million rural people in 30 years. So you get this hyper-modern cashless society co-existing alongside crappy construction (though they do actually repair it) and a kind of residual peasant anarchism so people straight up riot when contracts are violating instead of going to court. This is the truest depiction of modern China I've seen on this website. Thank you.
When I was in Chongqing, I was kinda surprised how the city managed to not fall apart considering the crazy verticality and the fact that some infrastructure looks old. But somehow it works just fine and everything is reliable.
>>2784326As far as I can tell, everything in this picture is also true.
The thing is I can't really blame the CPC for this, as Maoism was a failure, and capitalism from Deng onwards was better managed than the liberalization of the ex-USSR where a few people became rich overnight by accumulating the stocks of newly privatized companies, and the rest had to eat complete shit.
With the "bird-cage economy" as Chen Yun put it, China really managed to avoid a massive disaster like what happened in 1990s Russia.
But the Chinese economic system is still capitalism at the end of day, and it has the problems that comes with it.
One paradoxical problem I can think of is that youth employment is currently not far from 20%, yet there is also the "curse of 35" where some employers (including for some government positions) sometimes explicitly say they only want job candidates younger than 35 year old.
This kind of problem is seldom discussed in the usual debates about China on online Marxist spaces, because online Marxists tend to think more about macro geopolitical dynamics than the domestic economic situation, a mistaken belief that a communist party necessarily pursue hardline communist policies (if Vietnam is lower-stage communism, then Sweden is higher-stage communism), that state intervention into the economy is necessarily communist (the economy of the UAE is 90% made of SOEs, in Indonesia it's 60%, both higher than China) and like the other anon said, there is a lot of orientalism and an important language barrier.
>>2784410It's all about hope. Some communists really wish we would live in a world where the USSR is still powerful, and they see China has a substitute for it. The thing is, the USSR isn't coming back, it's over, history moves forward and Marx always stressed this point.
People have a hard time finding answers for themselves to the crazy challenges of the 21th century, and they want ready-made ones. One of them is "China will save us just like the USSR saved the Eastern Bloc", but Chinese people are caring about their own interests first and foremost, which is only natural.
>>2784321This is the actual truth.
Russia was unique in that the peasant class only really got private property very recently, 50 years ago as of revolutionary times. Peasant communes were the way things were done. Only several calculated attempts from the tsarist regime did them in. Soviet Union saw a uniquely fast collectivization, and even that was a big struggle for the Bolsheviks. China and other socialist countries even in eastern europe were much more entrenched in private peasant property. That's just what communists have to work with. Collectivization is critical because it eliminates the petty bourgeois and creates a socialist foundation in the countryside. It creates what you see as the "socialist vibe" of society. It made no sense whatsoever for anyone in the Soviet countryside to abort girls specifically because they no longer had individual enterprises that would benefit from stronger working hands, as opposed to China. Soviet literature repeatedly makes the point that it's impossible to force new ways on a society that isn't receptive and that collectivization attempts failed several times because the conditions weren't there.
So the same Stalin-era goals had to be achieved in a very different way. But they were achieved, and better, in fact. Now you can empirically see that the nature of industrial production in China is socialist in abnormally low profit rates and the comprehensive nature of Chinese industry, as well as the fact that no bourgeois middle-income trap seems to exist for China. Bourgeois wouldn't be screaming about China if it was subject to the same laws as them. China would have been over 20 times by now if it was actually capitalist, as the press informed you over and over for several decades.
What CPC did is supremely impressive, especially if you remember that CPSU still managed to fuck things up and let mere petty bourgeois tendencies among the working class grow into widespread theft and birth of a new bourgeois class. CPC built a bigger and more structurally sound socialism out of worse materials.
That doesn't mean they solved every problem. There's still no foundation of socialist consciousness in everyday life in the countryside or in the cities. From that flow all other problems you see people bitch about. No, socialism isn't about social support for individual entrepreneurs.
>>2784450just give it up bro. There's no DoTP. China's economic system is simply rationalized, progressive capitalism. If Germany, the Nordics, Japan and South Korea benefitted from imperialism, China would logically have as well after they allied themselves to the U.S. to contain the Soviets and gained access to world markets. Calling China's economy socialist is a massive cope. Ludwig Erhard would be a stellar example of a socialist theorist if we were to define socialism like this.
>>2784472Because you can just rationalize away the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. Western capital could have stopped waging global war to sustain their system if only they used this one simple trick…
>>2784472>just give up while I completely move the goalpostlol
>there's no DotPYes there is
There's no such thing as progressive capitalism in the current era. What you are trying to describe is socialism
China did not "ally" itself to the US in the way that the european and asian vassals have, this should be obvious
>>2784483I never said that
>>2784484By progressive, I mean the fact that they build HSR, produce solar panels and regulate industry while maintaining a capitalist system (aka capitalist social relations, such as wage labor) as progressives in the West would advocate for. You can call whatever you want socialism, but Marx would disagree, even if China had a full command economy. There's no coping your way out of generalized commodity production, wage labor, capital accumulation, surplus value extraction, rents, etc.
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