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The fake conflict is "Luddites" vs. "Malthusians"

i.e. "people who think tech bad and wasteful" versus "people who think people are bad and wasteful"

I want everyone to notice how good the bourgeoisie are at getting us to reframe their destruction, waste, planned obsolescence, and artificial scarcity as a conflict between Luddites and Malthusians.

The capitalist want us to argue over whether a human being or a piece of technology is more wasteful, but technology exists to be used as a tool by human beings to abridge labor processes. Everywhere you see technology being used to DESTROY rather than CREATE (i.e. in war, in wasteful data centers, in perfectly good food getting throw in locked dumpsters, etc.) the problem is not the existence of the technology itself but the MODE OF PRODUCTION

READ CHAPTER 3 OF FASCISM AND SOCIAL REVOLUTION BY RAJANI PALME DUTT, ESPECIALLY THE SECTIONS "DESTRUCTION OF THE PRODUCTIVE FORCES" AND "THE REVOLT AGAINST SCIENCE"!!!!

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Not to mention that the bourgeoisie already, without even the aid of the waste of "AI" tech, already prioritize profit over productivity. That is why they use artificial scarcity and planned obsolescence to stabilize prices during a crisis of overproduction. It's why your Windows laptop these days has a highly unoptimized human-coded "anti-malware" service executable that runs constantly without your permission, burning through the constant capital your computer is made out of so that it has several fewer years of lifespan than it would otherwise have. It's why Fourier was asked to destroy rice that had been hoarded during a famine in 1799. It's why they burned coffee for fuel in the ships during Steinbeck's time. It's why grocery stores through out over half of all food before it even reaches a consumer. Capitalism has waste built into it. For Ze Price Stabilite

Correct. We already had the technology to enable a 4-day 6-hour workweek in the 1950s. It's capitalism that forces immense waste, busywork and duplicate work in order to prevent the breakdown of the MCM cycle

>>2783699
Not really. If you believe in materialist logic, if it hasn't happened yet it's because it's simply not enough. Advancement in technology/automation needs to be so overwhelming to force changes in the economic structure. That's how we went from slavery to feudalism to the current feudal-capitalist hybrid. For examples most programmers became obsolete in the labor market in just the past few years. Now you need the same for all other professions.

You get called Malthusian today just for (rightfully) pointing out that there shouldn't be billions of any large mammal, including humans.

>>2783577
There is nothing more reactionary than a luddite that tries to damn us into this status quo of current capitalism.

>>2783713
>if it hasn't happened yet it's because it's simply not enough
Capital already produces more than enough food for everyone globally. In America alone, half of food is thrown out before it even reaches the overweight population, and the overweight population throws out half the food they buy after it reaches them. And during crises of overproduction capital will still pour milk down the drain or put non-expired food in locked dumpsters. Artificial scarcity is the problem, not actual scarcity. The problem isn't a lack of productive forces or too many productive forces, but private ownership over the means of production by a bourgeois ruling class. We could produce enough to meet demand without overproducing and distribute it to everyone based on need but instead we throw out 75% of food in the richest country on Earth and put unexpired food in locked dumpsters and pour milk down the drain. We give people fake do nothing corporate jobs if they're lucky and we also at the same time maintain a huge reserve army of unemployed people who are so desperate they can be brought in as scabs if the employed try to organize
>>2783748
>You get called Malthusian today just for (rightfully) pointing out that there shouldn't be billions of any large mammal, including humans.
The problem with Malthusianism isn't the desire to limit reproduction, but the tendency to treat reproduction as the central, primary, or only problem. In the most "developed" (or if you like, imperialist) nations the birth rates are in decline because the population has access already to abortion, birth control, contraception, and sex educaiton. In the peripheral nations they are gaining access to those things as well, even if at a slower rate. We will actually have to scale back the forces of production to match the lower population if the average couple has fewer than 2 children make it to adulthood for a few generations in a row. In any case the forces of production can still increase in efficiency to better serve a smaller population which is the whole point of refinement of the productive forces, by abridging labor processes, miniaturizing machinery, maximizing resource efficiency by using less to do more, etc.


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