I was talking to a lumpen worker happy that a liberal socialdemocrat won the election, he thinks that the succdem is a "man of the people, he will fix everything". And we talked for a bit yelling. But it got me thinking, the lumpen had no problem with the ruling class as long as his needs were met, and for the large part even in spite of the miserable manual labour - were being met. So why do we demand an economy of needs - production planned on needs "from each according to their ability to each according to their need" if capitalism already fulfills their needs? They will still work, not for wages but it would be the same jobs. Its just that the drive for profit and class causes damage to the planet and misery for the manual laborers but as long as their needs are met they don't really care. They don't want planned production they want somebody else to think for them and most have just accepted their roles in contempt so feel no need for a DOTP - ruling is somebody else's problem to them.
Plus the lumpen laugh at the size of the "real movement" - how many are you? You're too little to change anything.
Lumpens do admire China but China doesn't care for anything besides its own citizens.
>>2787311Lumpens want to be rich and shit, they think they can become like the bourgeois, and everyone on here denies it but most of the proletariat is the lumpenproletariat. When I say lumpen I refer to the proletariat which fails to recognize its own class interests. They believe to be deserving an individualistic life of luxury and see that as the "highest goal" and have no care for civilization as a whole or what becomes of it.