I want this crisis in Iran to lead to a communist revolution in the country, but I know that the movement is weak both domestically and internationally. But still I hope.
Do you feel the same?
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Honestly there is probably nobody in a more hopeless position right now than Iranian communists. It's impossible for them to carry out any meaningful activity without helping the imperialists in practice. They can't even be controlled opposition in a "national front" type coalition like they were in Syria with the Ba'athists. They can either risk helping the Americans win or just lie down and do nothing. Truly an unenviable lot.
But the Arak Soviets
>>2788950They can always start a sex cult and chill in Albania
>>2788950What if the irgc changes their political ideology to Communism and takes over the country? But that would be a coup, not a revolution… And not likely to happen anyway.
>>2788975>What if the irgc changes their political ideology to Communism and takes over the country?They won't.
Iran is already socialist
>>2788943Sure, but any revolutionary movement will be immediately exploited to splinter and ransack the country for the benefit or the Americans and Israel. I can only see it happening in a very quick span of time while the imperialist powers are distracted with the next crisis. Like the previous revolution, except this time maybe don't team up with the Islamists.
If you are not Iranian living in Iran or willing to move to Iran to go fight and die for an revolution (white saviour complex/CIA) then I don't see why even care, even theoretically.
To me if Iran hurts the great satan, little satan and liberal world order then they are 90% there already when it comes to socialism.
>>2788943>>2788950I thought we were talking about American communists for a moment. The best bet for the Iranian communist right now is to hold on tight and wait for a better outcome to appear.
Tudeh MLibs have no mass base in Iran
Only big dicked ultroids do
You won't get to fuck up another revolution
>>2788950>It's impossible for them to carry out any meaningful activity without helping the imperialists in practice. <tsar speech bubbleThat sounds like a (You) problem, perhaps try revolutionary defeatism of your own or ask the IRGC not to purge commies using CIA intelligence.
>>2788950They could work with the Kurds.
Oh and such a revolution/coup should only take place on the condition that Iran remains true to its anti imperialism.
The Islamic republic is too cucked in how they conduct themselves in the war. It has to do with Islamic morality which you have to be nice to your enemies (cucked). An atheist Iran would have no such restraint.
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>>2788950Remember kids, never exploit your ruling regimes weakness, that would be unpatriotic.
That won’t happen, as much as I would like a Communist Iran we must support the IRGC during this time because the government has to stay stable so America doesn’t install a failed state
Iran getting the Iraq treatment would unironically be a progressive outcome. Iraqi communists can now freely organize and run for parliament in the weak and corrupt democracy the US installed for them, rather than being policed and murdered by Saddam.
But the US will never ever do that again, they've learned their lesson and will never again commit to neocon 'nation-building' if it involves boots on the ground. Current war is just the worst of both worlds, US and Israel can bomb whatever they want while the IRGC can execute whoever they want.
>>2789196>Iraqi communists can now freely organize and run for parliamentIraqi communists are anti-electoralist. You're thinking of ICP MLib party that runs for elections, which is pro Islamist to begin with, supported the invasion of Iraq, was Saddamist before that and is so unpopular no one remembers it exists.
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>>2789187Don't you agree that it would be counterproductive to engage in revolutionary activity if the result is just a pro US regime that's just as anti-communist but now also enslaves your country to America and Israel?
>>2788950Sounds like most communist, just waiting on the collapse of the U.S empire before you can even begin the real work.
>>2789217>that's just as anti-communistIf it is
just as anti-communist then communist movement has nothing to lose, in which case revolutionary activity is the only course of action. If you think otherwise then you are not a communist.
>>2789242>If it is just as anti-communist then communist movement has nothing to loseYes they do, because communists must defeat imperialism before they can begin constructing socialism in their own country. If their actions lead to imperialists reestablishing dominance over Iran then they've gone backwards and undone the progress made by the current national bourgeois government.
>>2789683It's hopeless, there's a certain tendency with leftists that denies that states and movements and politics do not operate in a vacuum. They think communist revolution is realistic in Iran now after they unironically had a quick victory against an aggressor. They want the global south to abolish imperialism so they can vote socialism in their imperialist republics. Thank you for your attention!
>>2789683>because communists must defeat imperialism before they can begin constructing socialism in their own countryUnless you think socialists government would be worse equipped for defeating imperialism than their current one, I dont see how that is a counter argument. The goals is taking state power and establishing socialism. If the socialist movement would have harder time conducting its work under whatever new government Iran would get in case current one gets defeated, then there might be an argument for collaboration with the current government (e.g. socialists working in defense of liberal democracy against fascism), but you yourself pointed out it cant really be any worse. In which case socialists should do everything in their power to get in power. If that contributes to colour revolution, so fucking what, the job of the communist party is to exploit the situation to further their goals.
>>2789683>defeat imperialism firstNo. The issue with AES countries is that they are too afraid to attack imperialism at its heart, with an unannounced, pre-emptive nuclear strike. Too much pussyfooting around because of civilians and workers being killed.
Oh well!
>>2789698>Unless you think socialists government would be worse equipped for defeating imperialism than their current one, I dont see how that is a counter argument. Because if they were to overthrow the Islamic Republic now, the chances are that they wouldn't get a socialist government, but a pro-imperialist one.
>but you yourself pointed out it cant really be any worseI didn't say that, I said nobody is in a tougher situation than them. It can absolutely get worse for Iran. Just look at Libya and Syria if you want to get a sense of what that might look like.
>If that contributes to colour revolution, so fucking what, the job of the communist party is to exploit the situation to further their goals.If it contributes to a colour revolution then this wouldn't be furthering their goals, it would be undoing them and making them harder to achieve. In a neo-colonial country, communists have two basic tasks. First, drive out the imperialists and establish national sovereignty. It should go without saying that socialism can't exist under conditions of imperialist dominance and neo-colonialism. Second, they must establish a dictatorship of the proletariat. The Islamic Republic has already accomplished the first task, and their defeat would mean reversing it.
>>2789716It should go without saying that national sovereignty is a mirage and a fool's errand under neocolonial capitalism
>>2789734If Iran didn't have national sovereignty then the Americans wouldn't be trying to take it from them.
>>2788982Genuinely rape and kill all ziggers
Reminder that the same campist arguments that will be used against a revolution in Iran could have been used against Lenin, thus exposing that these people are simply anti-American, not committed to socialism. If you support Lenin's revolutionary defeatism then you should support the same happening in Iran.
>>2789683This logic can be used to suppress any communists in your country as imperialist 5th columnists in perpetuity. Insisting imperialism has to be defeated first justifies never having a socialist revolution; you have to abandon this position.
>>2799973Does anybody have a genuine argument for why these 2 situations are different
>>2799977I'm not saying that imperialism as a system has to be destroyed before communists can take power. I'm saying that imperialism needs to be defeated in a country before you can construct socialism there. Ideally both of these tasks should be accomplished by communists, but in situations where a national bourgeois government has come to power and driven out the imperialists, then you must keep in mind the risks involved in attacking that government. In Iran's case the country is currently the primary target of the US empire.
if iranian communists really want to stop being seen as nothing else than mossad agents they need to start killing zionists NOW
>>2800720yeah i'm sure those exiles and those who operate in the country will go "kill zionists" because YOU told them to
>>2799973>>2799978its not even comparable you absolute braindead monkey the 1910's had a more multipolar world, the imperialist enemies of russia didn't had a colonialist plan to subjugate the (european) continent and the revolutionary forces of russia where a milllion times stronger than those of current Iran this argument might have been true in 1979 but not nowadays
>>2800724or they can continue being irrelevant and universally hated by the actual iranian proletariat whatever suits them better
>>2800730they are not "universally hated", they are generally irrelevant, the actual universally hated groups are the MEK, not the iranian communists, but i'm sure you love hating communists more than supporting their efforts
>>2800734>the actual universally hated groups are the MEKas if the average iranian could tell the difference
>supporting their effortswhat efforts? what have they actualy done to stop the bombing of the iranian workers? unless you think cheering for schools getting bombed counts as revolutionary defeatism and the ultimate form of praxis for all nonzionists nations
>>2800738>what efforts? what have they actualy done to stop the bombing of the iranian workers? unless you think cheering for schools getting bombed counts as revolutionary defeatism and the ultimate form of praxis for all nonzionists nationsthe first part is already answered, the second part i have no fucking clue what you're talking about, the iranian communists are currently irrelevant, keyword there, "I R R E L E V A N T", they don't have enough power to do anything, they have no backing with which to carry out your fantasies, it'd be like asking the bolsheviks in 1915 to prevent german chemical warfare, they are not capable of it because they have nor the weapons, nor the numbers to achieve it!
>>2800752
*the enemy is both weak and strong
shitlamists can't even hide their fascist class collaborationist origins
>>2800752
>Iranian communists overthrowing their libshit regime is anti-zionism enough
ok I'll wait for them to go ahead and do it then
>they don't have enough power to do anything, they have no backing with which to carry out your fantasies
>waa waa they are weak and stupid all they can do is lay down and cheer for zionists while their country turns into rubble
and they'll remain like that unless they actually start opposing imperialism instead of just watching form their cushy europeans apartments how their countrymen are massacred
>>2800752
>they influence strikes that cripple the country and protests where thousands of proles lay their lives
wich strikes and protests?? unless you mean the ones initiated by the pettybourg earlier this year and swiftly taken over by mossad agents
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