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guys, i think i have seen the light

i think i might be becoming a commie
i think i finally get it.

My whole life i have been moving like a schizo, from ideology to ideology, left and right, but i think i might get it now

its not left vs right, its worker vs owner
its not changing minds, its changing material conditions
its not culture war, its class war

leftists play in symbolism, communists take action.

I have no idea what to do with this new found knowledge

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>>2789576
Very good comrade, I expect you to know the most important works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Luxemburg by next Monday. The ideology shop is in room 208.

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>>2789579
Mao Zedong — 'To read too many books is harmful.'

>its not left vs right, its worker vs owner
Thats what left vs right broadly represents anon.

>leftists play in symbolism, communists take action.
the Trvke that destroyed the "communism is the left wing of capital" retard

>>2789588
>trvke
That's barely an anecdote
>retard
It's not one guy
>communism is the left wing of capital
Bolshevik and Maoist attempts at least were

>>2789586
Lol not in the modern American political context. Left vs right is idpol vs idpol

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Welcome to the club of professional haters.

>>2789576
Now become a trot

>>2789579
What important works from Luxembourg?

>leftists play in symbolism, communists take action.
You're not going to be able to cooparate in a party without yearning for 131,072 more trot splits, because the minute symbolism of the word "leftist" matters to you that much.

>its not left vs right, its worker vs owner
>its not changing minds, its changing material conditions
>its not culture war, its class war
>leftists play in symbolism, communists take action.
Isn't "its not X, its Y" LLM-speak? I saw one post saying it the other day and I am now very paranoid, and most times it is.
The rest of the post doesn't seem LLM-generated but… (above)

>>2789619
Identity politics isnt necessary a bad thing in itself, or unrelated to socialist project. A marginalised minority is going to have additional political/social/economical demands, in addition to common working class interest, and if socialist movement refuse to address them they will flock to someone else who will. While even left wing identity politics can be coopted by conservative forces, so can everything else. Fascists often attempt to coopt class struggle.

>>2789652
turbo lib

>>2789652
>if socialist movement refuse to address them they will flock to someone else who will.
They are minorities, they don't matter that much. If 5% of non-cishets become fascists (won't happen, since most are proles) it doesn't matter

>>2789619
Left vs right isn't the same as liberal versus conservative. Go find one worthwhile 'right wing' communist/socialist, you won't be able to.

>>2789666
This road leads directly to patsoc hell. Besides which, just because only 5% of people might not be cis, that doesn't mean every cis person will support trans genocide. If you diminish people's rights you only end up in the company of scoundrels.

>>2789672
>>2789652
>>2789666
Ok but look, here's the real redpill. We cannot just allow the rights of minorities to be trampled. At the same time there's nothing wrong with appealing to the sensibilities of the majority. I think the family as a concept is reactionary cringe but if the socialist party has to present itself as pro family to get support, whatever. A middle ground on some things isn't that bad. Any socialist who is worth anything will not be racist against black people but also he will not be going around "fucking cis white males" this and that. The revolution must be egalitarian, it cannot be any other way.

>>2789666
5% here, 5% there, remove gender or sexual minorities, migrants, ethnic minorities, women, disabled, elderly, students, unemployed, poor, druggies, and what are you going to be left with is itself going to be a minority. And more importantly, it is the most marginalised people in society that have the most vested interest in societal change. The cishet suburbanite with stable job and 2.5 children is not going to be a working class vanguard.

>>2789652
Radlib

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>>2789650
Nah some people just have overly academic speech patterns. The real indicator that it's an LLM is the wojak. A real user would've been more creative in finding an image to attach to their message.

>>2789671
>friedrich ebert
>adolf hitler
>franklin delano roosevelt
>joseph stalin

>>2789720
I rest my case

>>2789576
>from ideology to ideology, left and right,
I dont trust these people.

>>2789576
If you're serious about actually understanding Marxism, not the liberalized, toothless version that treats worker co-ops as the end goal, you need to ground yourself in foundational theory to be able to do class analysis and better understand it, so as to avoid the errors propagated by liberals, opportunists, and reformists.

Start with Engels for a solid orientation:

"Principles of Communism" lays out the basics in Q&A format: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

"Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" helps contrast real scientific socialism with moralistic daydreams: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Engels_Socialism_Utopian_and_Scientific.pdf

Before diving into Capital, it's worth getting a grip on Marx’s political economy:

"Value, Price and Profit", dissects surplus value and wages under capitalism: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/value-price-profit.pdf

"Wage Labor and Capital", earlier and simpler, good to pair with the above: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/wage-labour-capital.pdf

To clarify the transition from capitalism to socialism and the current stages of communism (hint: socialism is not “co-ops in a free market in competition”), Marx’s “Critique of the Gotha Programme” is essential: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Marx_Critque_of_the_Gotha_Programme.pdf

If Engels' intro texts speak to you, level up with "Anti-Dühring", it covers philosophy, political economy, and socialism in a comprehensive Marxist framework: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/anti_duhring.pdf

A text that is important to read and understand the dictatorship of the proletariat and the Paris Commune, which had its errors that Marx criticized and which served as a lesson for carrying out a successful communist revolution, as was done by the Bolsheviks, based on what was learned in the text called "The Civil War in France." The lesson is the opposite of decentralization, fear of acting, or fear of appropriating banks and controlling them for the sake of the domination of the proletariat for fear of causing chaos:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/

Another text that analyzes the class struggle in France with the 1848 revolution also helps to understand the dictatorship of the proletariat and what happens to the petty bourgeoisie when it considers itself superior to the proletarians, betraying them, not seeing their common interest, and what its reward is for wanting to identify with the bourgeoisie, which is to be discarded by the bourgeoisie. The text is called "The Class Struggles in France, 1848 to 1850" with the link below:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1850/class-struggles-france/

Then there’s Lenin, essential for anyone who doesn’t want to be co-opted by reformists afraid of revolution:

"The State and Revolution", the real Marxist theory of the state and dictatorship of the proletariat: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/

"Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism", explains monopoly capital and financial domination: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

"What Is To Be Done?", revolutionary organization and building a vanguard party: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/

"Left-Wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder", a guide to dealing with pseudo-left idealists and opportunists: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/

>>2789652
The first sign that an opportunist has no revolutionary plan, no plan with the workers for the class struggle, and no solidarity with the workers of the world is when this individual resorts to identitarianism to deceive middle-class youth into serving the bourgeoisie; this I observed in my country in the Global South.

>>2789679
The first sign that an opportunist has no revolutionary plan, no plan with the workers for the class struggle, nor solidarity with the workers of the world, is when this individual resorts to identitarianism to deceive middle-class youth into serving the bourgeoisie; this I observed in my country in the Global South.

The lumpenproletariat has no revolutionary interest; desperation leads to individualistic reactionism to be used by finance capital against the workers. The lumpenproletariat has a reactionary, not revolutionary, tendency; some of them can be used as soldiers if they accept the supremacy of the proletariat and are disciplined by the revolutionary communist party to minimize the individualistic narcissism they may normally possess. I do not tolerate the weakness of people who are unprepared for the chaos of revolution, who believe in superstitions about the bourgeois state, or who cling to the idea that they have some natural right (a fantasy that does not exist). Fear of confrontation, class struggle, and being hated is expected; clinging to the bourgeois state to save them means betraying the proletariat.

Scientific socialist theory is not based on the moralism and emotionalism of those who suffer most, but rather on recognizing the common class interests and the need to act collectively for the political supremacy of the proletariat, to socialize the economy, abolishing private property, anarchy of production, and social classes. Any minority of the working classes that is not the proletariat must act according to what they have in common with the proletariat, not their petty interests. Minorities that are bourgeois are enemies who will have to be re-educated or eliminated; their opinion is irrelevant. A proletarian who wants to be bourgeois or petty-bourgeois is also irrelevant to the communist cause, regardless of whether they are in the minority or not, because they will be treated as a liberal, reactionary, or reformist, and will be opposed.

Furthermore, the lumpenproletariat can be convinced to follow communists simply by presenting a program of guaranteed employment, wage equalization, and the typical political programs that Marx, Engels, and Lenin used for agitation in elections in bourgeois democracy.

>>2789652
Not really. What communists do is fulfill the demands that the workers of different groups have and crush the separate idpol movement. Zionists are still seething about the Soviet Union on these grounds.


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