/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

not without getting co opted by the CIA

Communism negates bourgeois civilization with its class dictatorships of all flavors (democracy, autocracy, etc)

So no

>>2796116
There's lots of AnComs, LibComs, LeftComs out there anon.
Luxemburg, Pannekoek and Gramsci all stated that the dictatorship of the proletariat is a worker's democracy.

It is possible but the number one thing preventing it is capitalist subversion and marxist-leninists.
If both of these cancers can be eliminated then yes a representative workers democracy is fully achievable.

>>2796133
>LeftComs
We are authoritarian and anti democracy unlike MLs

>>2796136
Italian LeftComs are anti-democracy.
The Dutch/German Council Pancake-ists want layers on layers of elected Worker's Councils.

>>2796116
>who like democracy
the withering away of the state means the withering away of democracy, so no
you are kamala
>>2796122
this, so much this

>>2796134
>capitalist subversion and marxist-leninists
stating the second was redundant since MLs are a subcategory of capitalist subversives

>>2796143
Ml's arent capitalist subversises (this is the only line of praise i will ever heap upon an ml) they're a homegrown cancer in communism that seek to strip away any and all power and say from the workers so they can give it to themselves and their cronies instead.

>>2796145
MLs are just militant socdems

>>2796147
Basically but the only reason they're militant is because unlike socdems they cant garner any support to win elections because nobody likes them irl especially not the working class and as such they know the only way they will ever be in charge is trough enacting violence on everyone whos not an ml.

>>2796147
When have leftcoms done anything ever though

Like they havent even lead strikes or really anything

>>2796141
Pure abstraction. You have zero idea of how the state will wither away you are just repeating something you heard

>>2796174
Even anarchists do more, leftcoms sit on their asses doing nothing other than cheer for U. S imperialism.

>>2796141
democracy doesn't necessarily mean voting and centralized institutions

>>2796116
Is there any room in Marxism for people who like democracy and would prefer in which the working class leads the society, in the vain of CNT-FAI, Soviets in Leninist USSR, Modern-day Cuba, and Rojava
>the working class leads the society, in the vain of CNT-FAI, Soviets in Leninist USSR, Modern-day Cuba, and Rojava
>Modern-day Cuba, and Rojava
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but the first is run by bureaucrat monopoly-capitalists (Like all Khrushchevite """ML""" states) and made private property formally legal in 2019. The second is a sewer socialism Edward Bernstein experiment where coexisting with the bourgeois class and state is all fine and dandy because at least you can collectively self-exploit in cooperatives (we were past this with The Poverty of Philosophy, it's a reversion to utopian-idealism, anti-revolutionary evolutionism and petty-bourgeois capitulationism).

>Is there any room in Marxism for people who like democracy and would prefer in which the working class leads the society
Look into Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, Francisco Martins Rodrigues, Farjoun & Machover, Anwar Shaikh, Paul Cockshott, Allin Cottrell, cibcom.org, MLPD/ICOR.

>>2796147
Spontaneous worker uprisings just result in socdem reformist movements. Leftcoms are functionally lazy slscktivist socdems