What right do these irrelevant nobodies have to appoint themselves as the ambassadors of international Marxism Leninism? What the fuck have they achieved in their entire existence? Who are they to talk shit against the CCP and the KPRF, the largest communist parties on the planet? Where does their idiotic entitlement and arrogance come from?
Damn, it's almost like you'd have to make some sort of analysis…
>>2797218The analysis is in the OP you moron. They deride China and the KPRF as reactionaries without any achievements of their own.
>>2797285If you don't think China is socialist you should stop calling yourself a Leninist or commit suicide.
fuck off neobukharinist/titoist rat
>>2797217>>2797635Eat my ass you ultra left puritan cocksucker. You are not ML and you will never be ML.
>>2797633>>2797635>>2797639>>2797230>>2797217Quality thread! What's the difference between leftypol and 4chan?
>>2797643If you can't tell you either glow or you are a liberal.
Modern day Trotskyism
>>2797633Socialism in China hasn't progressed since the gang of 4 were liquidated.
It's always really funny seeing people angry at parties that deserve criticism for the dumbest possible reasons. Easily one of the least problematic aspects of the KKE is its criticism of the CPC and KPRF.
why didn't the kke take state power during 2008 crisis? are they stupid?
>>2797758Because all they know how to do with criticize those with real successes.
>>2797633They hated him because he told the truth.
>NOOOOOO COMMUNISM IS WHEN YOU LOSE >>2797217>What right do these irrelevant nobodies have to appoint themselves as the ambassadors of international Marxism Leninism?They've developed a fair bit of theory (notably on opposing the meme view of supporting Russia for """anti-imperialism""" and for developing theory on the collapse of the ussr), have remained true to their working class' interests, have kept a marxist-leninist party and interpretation of the world, and lastly are ironically one of the few parties to develop serious models of alternatives to capitalism.
>Who are they to talk shit against the CCP and the KPRF<dooood u must support da kapitalist states cuz like i hate the us n shit >>2797217>What right do these irrelevant nobodies have to appoint themselves as the ambassadors of international Marxism Leninism? What the fuck have they achieved in their entire existence?They founded the fourth(fifth, sixth-seventh?) international after the USSR fell
>The International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties (IMCWP), also known as Solidnet, is an annual conference attended by communist and workers' parties from several countries. It originated in 1998 when the Communist Party of Greece (KKE) invited communist and workers' parties to participate in an annual conference where parties could gather to share their experiences and issue a joint declarationstill the biggest international even tho they suck ass and have a major split between anticampists and antiimperialists
>>2797879The US having the global reserve currency was a fundamental shift in imperialism, there is no imperialism outside of that global system led by the US. The fact that the KKE refuses to acknowledge this is just de-facto apologia for the US.
Μάλλον κάποιος μας ψάχνει εδώ. Τον λυπάμαι το καημένο… Μακάρι να μας βρει…
>>2797886IMCWP seems to be dead in the water now that KKE threw a hissyfit about not everyone subscribing to their "imperialist pyramid" nonsense. They're going to abandon it and replace it with a cult network of their proxies
>>2799207Τη ακριβώς θέλεις να μου πεις που δεν ξέρω ακόμη;
>>2799212I don't speak morrowind
>>2799219How many hundreds of millions of people has the KKE lifted out of poverty?
>>2799223I lifted them out of proverty
>>2799223Same number as Putin, that's for sure. The CCP is cool tho
>>2799195yeah i wonder. last few times its just been 20-30 parties from each side posting conflicting statements to solidnet. unfortunately while WAP statements are usually great they have their own problems(CPBG) and are not very serious either despite being the biggest international opposition
>>2799223a couple hundred maybe thousand dockwockers and crane operators make six figures in greece now !!
>>2799279KKE is just a cult. My local cult branch is the "Russian Labor Front" and all they post about is going to Greece and attending local raves and talking about how awesome KKE is. Meanwhile parties like RKRP who are long-time members of the IMCWP and sympathetic to KKE but do not deeply tongue KKE's anus or unquestioningly accept their pyramid theories are marginalized and even banned from posting articles on Solidnet.
>>2799279
>a couple hundred maybe thousand dockwockers and crane operators make six figures in greece nowThis is potentially one of the weirdest false accusations I have read against our party.
Like I know you probably live in some very privileged area of the first world where some dockworkers make like 90k (Australia maybe?).
But for fuck sake do you really think that applies to the majority of dockworkers in Greece? Are you really that ignorant?
Do you really think that, despite victories for dock workers, they would really kind of wage increase? Like fuck the party would not be having the problems it does if it could achieve such things.
But to be fair, you are just angry that weak party from a small country has managed to do more for international communist movement than many parties with literal state power.
Worse, it doesn't cater to petty bourgeois sympathies towards market-socialistic revisionism, especially where western audiences are concerned.
Like common you are just living vicariously through the cpc at best. I would respect you a lot more if you were doing some nato sabotage, but no, only the damned irrelevant no good KKE is putting in any significant effort (modest as its means are).
>>2799288Moy exeis pei oti den eisai Ellada, pou eisai? H tespa den eisai kana Belgio na pioume kamoia mpyra?
Parolo pou perasa apo to fysiko, gia diaforous logous katafera na mhn exo piasei megales syzhthseis me melh tou KKE (kai kanena allo komma). Tora stenaxoriemai ligo gia auto. Apo thn mia den mou egine kathxhsh, apo thn allh kanete orees sizitiseis kai gnorizete polla.
>>2799286"Monastery" is the domestic accusational term, fyi
But I honestly don't see how cucking out to Cucktin admin over Ukraine is really worth it in the end. It didn't exactly save Udaltsov did it?
Meh I am not even this engagement is worth it. Like the divide is over fundamental issues, not how strong is any party (the whole movememt is weak internationally anyway).
People act as if they represent the true Lenin view on imperialism when in fact everyone is developing their own mutually irreconcilable conceptions (KKE, CPC included. The Greek-Chinese divide is becoming ideological & practical one in the communist movement for this century. Like it or not you in Russia are actually playing second fiddle)
>>2799298You act as a cult, you try to silence everyone else with ever so slightly differing views, and instead seek to make an "internationale" of proxies that unquestioningly agree with you, that's the problem
i used to respect KKE for real actions against NATO despite their "everyone is imperialist" views, but today you seem more focused on expelling any views that aren't in lockstep with your flawed analysis of imperialism
RKRP is right on their criticism of your pyramid nonsense and deserve to be heard
>>2799296Γειά σου σύντροφε.
Προτιμώ να μήν λέω ακριβώς που είμαι σε δημόσιους χορούς σάν εδώ. Όχι λόγο τόν ανόητον που μας τρολαρουν που λένε σαχλαμάρες.
Απλά αγχώνομαι για παρακολούθηση και ενόχληση απο πιο αδίστακτα άτομα.
Εάν θελήσεις, φτιάξε ένα fake protonmail και γράψε το εδω και μπορούμε να συνεννοηθούμε έτσι.
>>2799302Like silence how? Is the KKE somehow stopping the KPRF from its apologia for the government of traitors & plunderers? Is the posts it makes on its webpages so intense they shock the CPC into silence?
Like of course the KKE is not going to finance with its own money forums for people it fundamentally disagrees with to air their opposing views to a large audience.
Maybe a more interesting question to ask is why the cpc isn't financing international communist forums that much instead…
As for the cult accusation, as I said the domestic form of the insult is "monastery". Which you know what, whatever. I read ot as almost a jealous remark about the discipline that comes with surviving a civil war, being banned for 25 years, living under s military dictatorship, surviving eurocom attempts at destruction, surviving the end of ussr without being in power & not capitulating to reformist socdem illusions or revisionism.
Like honestly good luck to you if you are in the rkpk, or even the kprf. Government is going crack down on you sooner or later regardless. And the Chinese will sit without so much as a protest latter. Fuck the only peep you will hear about it will probably be from us.
>>2799315What actually differentiates your party from the Eurocommunists in the other NATO and EU members? Not trying to be hostile or snarky
>>2799360>actuallyI meant practically
>>2799356What is that link? Looks sus as hell.
>>2799288because its true? kke is a perfect example of a reactionary trade union lmao. their entire theory is based around whining about china in relation to dock wages. they literally invent theory as a cope for their own retarded abandonment of talks with the soe that upgraded the biggest port. every other country negotiates amazing terms and they instead accepted the first round and then cried about how unfair it was and then backward engineered pyramid theory to explain how they were being imperialized and then went on to be the biggest wreckers on the planet smearing the most progressive force in history to all potential allies. fucking seethe more about it
>>2799362urls in other scripts (chinese, cyrillic, etc) get put into ASCII urls like that.
>>2799309katanonhto. Gia sena mono:
[email protected] >>2797633the funniest thing about posters like you is that you'll all claim you'll decry khrushchev's revisionism while deng was implement shit that was straight up irreversible in terms of market reforms
>>2799542again, its true. cope as much as you want
>>2799657Συγνώμη που δεν έχω απαντήσει νωρίτερα… Απλά δεν έρχομαι συχνά εδώ.
Τέλος πάντων θα σε στείλω μήνυμα στο ptmail σου. Και τη όμορφο όνομα που διάλεξες. Καταπληκτικό 🤩
Long Live Mr. Bean!
Something I appreciate a lot about KKE is that it correctly upholds the United Front From Below line.
Can someone associated with parties of the European Communist Action (ECA) please let me know if this is adopted across the board / as a prerequisite for joining ECA?
>Who are they to talk shit against the CCP and the KPRF
The KPRF haven't accomplished anything either.
>>2807826
>The successful SMO in Malorussia was largely spurred on by the KPRF
No it wasn't. The KPRF holds a small fraction of the seats in the Duma and operates more or less at the pleasure of United Russia. They have no leverage to compel Putin to do anything, and he completely ignored them for almost a whole decade when they were urging more aggressive action against NATO and Ukraine. Putin went in when he decided it was in Russia's interest to do so (i.e. when all options for reconciliation with imperialism were exhausted), the KPRF cannot claim credit for this.
>which need I remind you is the second most popular party in the entire country
United Russia has 315 seats in the Duma to the KPRF's 57. That's a solid majority and almost 6x what the communists have. UR is completely dominant in Russian politics and the KPRF is token opposition.
>Can your Canadian social fascists calling themselves communists claim anything comparable?
Yes since the NDP are basically the same thing, i.e. "Left" controlled opposition acting as an auxiliary to the ruling class and doing social democratic electoralism.
>>2807914
>One is a genuine communist party
By what metric?
>has a real tangible influence on Russian politics
No they don't lmao. As I pointed out, UR can get anything it wants through the Duma with or without them because they have a solid majority that dwarfs the KPRF's presence, which is actually quite small. The whole "second largest party" designation is technically true, but extremely misleading when you consider that UR is larger than every other party combined.
>The NDP is a liberal fascist party in the imperial core with no relevance which supports the rape and exploitation of the periphery for the sake of cheaper treats. The difference is night and day
The difference is that Canada is an imperialist country, and thus its ruling class has no progressive potential. Any loyal opposition will therefore also not have any progressive potential. Russia is a semi-peripheral country with the capacity to produce a national bourgeoisie, which can accomplish some progressive tasks. Any party in their orbit will therefore also be capable of such tasks. However the actual relationship of both parties to their respective ruling classes is the same, they are both captured, loyal, "left" opposition. The difference lies in the character of those ruling classes themselves, not their "socialist" hangers on.
I ask the same questions about you
>>2808313Foolish westoid, don't you know that if you dickride a foreign party or government it's basically the same as you sharing in their accomplishments? If I post enough about how based Xi is, then isn't it like I myself have ended extreme poverty in China?
>>2808316What are you rambling about canacuck
Greek-anon answer this:
>>2807097>>2807097Sorry I actually am relatively uninformed about this. I know the KKE encourages things like the united front from below tactically so as to strengthen independent working class organization, as you say.
But I don't know if its a requirement for any party wishing to join the ECA. I think the ECA requirements have more do with ideological & theoretical questions as well as having a properly formalized organization, rather than tactical questions.
My level of Greek is also highschool level ish, so I am only haphazardly able to understand publications that the KKE & affiliates make in the original Greek.
>>2799657Έγινε τώρα. Δώσε μια ματιά στα μηνύματα σου στο λογαριασμό που έφτιαξες. Μην ξεχάσεις και το σπαμ, γιατί μπορεί να έχει μπλεχτεί εκεί.
>>2797217>What right do these irrelevant nobodies have to appoint themselves as the ambassadors of international Marxism Leninism?who else would bruh? if a state like china or the dprk actually decided to step up and start helping communist parties i don't think anybody would object
People here do realize KKE is not ultra right?
>>2799315>Government is going crack down on you sooner or later regardless. And the Chinese will sit without so much as a protest latter.absolute fucking TRVTHNVKE
>CCP
You mean Capitalist Party of China?
>KPRF
Putin's controlled opposition party, except they are just as reactionary as him.
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