/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

who tried to murder kolkhoz farmers in the 1980s

what peasants were even left by the 1980s

>>2797831
>So why should I hate the first ones and like the second ones and their descendants (Cucktin and his party)?

What do you mean by that Cucktin/Yeltsin are anti-communists/nationalists who were specifically selected by the West for being anti-communists/nationalists.

>>2797837
from my limited understanding Poland never fully collectivized agriculture so there was still a fairly large amount of peasants and small landholders left even into the 90s

uygha what do you mean the 80s

>>2797885
Yeah

>>2797885
>what peasants were even left by the 1980s
not everything in agrictulture was 100% state-owned. some people still had their own cow, hens, or even small chunk of field

>>2797837
There were kolkhoz farmers, which are kinda peasants under serfdom, but with tractors. I simply call it peasantry. It's more convenient.

>>2797916
>There were kolkhoz farmers, which are kinda peasants under serfdom
elaborate

>>2797831
Lets just say people didnt starve enough and too many people were left alive.
>>2797836
Best day of my life.

>>2797922
>Best day of my life.
t.Chikatilo

>>2797922
When the peaSSantoid says something so proletarianphobic you hit him with 100 tons of phosgene

>>2797831
Putin loves markets though. He would say the same things as you. The whole reason you say this is because of consistent anti-soviet propaganda that the Russian government kept going for its whole existence.

>>2797933
Why are you posting the image of a Nazi collaborator to make your point?

>>2797975
He was based when he was gassing anarKKKists along with Trotsky

>>2797975
You're replying to a nazbol that spends all day jacking off to Ukraine gore

kolkhoz are the people's petty bourgeoisie

>>2797933
Ultra meme
>>2797975
>Nazi collaborator
But he didn't post the guy who murdered all competent Soviet officers than handed Nazi Germany quarter of its wartime oil

>>2798165
>murder all competent soviet officers
>solo all of Nazi Europe anyway
holy shit Stalin is god

>>2798172
>dissolves the Comintern and allies with western imperialism, fuel the genocide machine that murdered millions of Russian workers on your way
Nothing personal commie

>>2797919
???

kolkhoz farmers are like petty bourgeois farmers under liberalism

How queer

>>2797965
>Putin loves markets though
If he's not a proponent of 'we calculated all screws the economy needs' full planned economy, it doesn't mean he likes free the market.

> because of consistent anti-soviet propaganda that the Russian government kept going for its whole existence
No, dude, Russian government is the one who likes soviet era. There used to be a period of hate under Yeltsin, but it's gone.

>>2798244
Kys

>>2798259
>it doesn't mean he likes free the market
he li
<Putin distinguished between “necessary” and “criminal” violence. Political violence is criminal if it is aimed at eliminating the conditions of a market economy, “necessary” if it encourages or protects private investment. In view of the difficult path of the private sector, he, Putin, clearly approves of any preparations by Yeltsin and the military to establish a dictatorship along the lines of Pinochet.

I think he likes it

>>2798561
Socialism in one nostalgia

>>2798172
yeah he solo'd it, only took 3/4ths of the belarussian population

>>2798162
bukharin was right about almost everything and im tired of pretending he wasn't

>>2798561
And here's mr. Putin in 1991 saying that Marxism-Leninism is nothing more than a harmful fairy tale

>>2797831
>My family didn't starve
yeah we know

OP is trolling everyone.

Its well known that one of the things that perestroika did was legalize "coops" that could buy from state factories at fixed prices and resell at much higher retail ones that they could freely set.

It was in fact one of the main means of primitive accumulation for the would be emerging bourgeoisie.

>>2797831
You're being ignorant. The process of the private sector seizing the market and expanding goes hand in hand with the precariousness and dismantling of the public sector for private profit, acting like parasites. Eventually, this is used to advance austerity. Eventually, the public sector is sabotaged by the conflict of interest of people with interests in the private sector who enter the administration and oversight of public companies, with oversight bodies eventually being co-opted to work in the private sector, serving the interests of capital accumulation.

The petty bourgeoisie and bourgeois will eventually engage in price gouging and lockouts, manipulating the price of necessities to create crises and liberal propaganda to dismantle the public sector. This was common in several countries affected by neoliberalism, spreading false consciousness to the masses to privatize and deregulate the economy, as well as facilitating blackmail by capitalists.

<It is in this field that the main struggle is being waged. Between what elements is this struggle being waged if we are to speak in terms of economic categories such as “state capitalism”? Between the fourth and fifth in the order in which I have just enumerated them? Of course not. It is not state capitalism that is at war with socialism, but the petty bourgeoisie plus private capitalism fighting together against state capitalism and socialism. The petty bourgeoisie oppose every kind of state interference, accounting and control, whether it be state-capitalist or state-socialist. This is an unquestionable fact of reality whose misunderstanding lies at the root of many economic mistakes. The profiteer, the commercial racketeer, the disrupter of monopoly—these are our principal “internal” enemies, the enemies of the economic measures of the Soviet power. A hundred and twenty-five years ago it might have been excusable for the French petty bourgeoisie, the most ardent and sincere revolutionaries, to try to crush the profiteer by executing a few of the “chosen” and by making thunderous declarations. Today, however, the purely French approach to the question assumed by some Left Socialist-Revolutionaries can arouse nothing but disgust and revulsion in every politically conscious revolutionary. We know perfectly well that the economic basis of profiteering is both the small proprietors, who are exceptionally widespread in Russia, and private capitalism, of which every petty bourgeois is an agent. We know that the million tentacles of this petty-bourgeois octopus now and again encircle various sections of the workers, that instead of state monopoly, profiteering forces its way into every pore of our social and economic organism.

<Those who fail to see this show by their blindness that they are slaves of petty-bourgeois prejudices….

<The petty bourgeoisie have money put away, the few thousands that they made during the war by “honest” and especially by dishonest means. They are the characteristic economic type, that is, the basis of profiteering and private capitalism. Money is a certificate entitling the possessor to receive social wealth; and a vast section of small proprietors, numbering millions, cling to this certificate and conceal it from the “state”. They do not believe in socialism or communism, and “mark time” until the proletarian storm blows over. Either we subordinate the petty bourgeoisie to our control and accounting (we can do this if we organise the poor, that is, the majority of the population or semi-proletarians, round the politically conscious proletarian vanguard), or they will overthrow our workers’ power as surely and as inevitably as the revolution was overthrown by the Napoleons and the Cavaignacs who sprang from this very soil of petty proprietorship. That is how the question stands. That is the only view we can take of the matter….

<The petty bourgeois who hoards his thousands is an enemy of state capitalism. He wants to employ these thousands just for himself, against the poor, in opposition to any kind of state control. And the sum total of these thousands, amounting to many thousands of millions, forms the base for profiteering, which undermines our socialist construction. Let us assume that a certain number of workers produce in a few days values equal to 1,000. Let us then assume that 200 of this total vanishes owing to petty profiteering, various kinds of embezzlement and the evasion by the small proprietors of Soviet decrees and regulations. Every politically conscious worker will say that if better order and organisation could be obtained at the price of 300 out of the 1,000 he would willingly give 300 instead of 200, for it will be quite easy under the Soviet power to reduce this “tribute” later on to, say, 100 or 50, once order and organisation are established and the petty-bourgeois disruption of state monopoly is completely overcome.

<This simple illustration in figures, which I have deliberately simplified to the utmost in order to make it absolutely clear, explains the present correlation of state capitalism and socialism. The workers hold state power and have every legal opportunity of “taking” the whole thousand, without giving up a single kopek, except for socialist purposes. This legal opportunity, which rests upon the actual transition of power to the workers, is an element of socialism. But in many ways, the small-proprietary and private-capitalist element undermines this legal position, drags in profiteering and hinders the execution of Soviet decrees. State capitalism would be a gigantic step forward even if we paid more than we are paying at present (I took the numerical example deliberately to bring this out more sharply), because it is worth paying for “tuition”, because it is useful for the workers, because victory over disorder, economic ruin and laxity is the most important thing, because the continuation of the anarchy of small ownership is the greatest, the most serious danger, and it will certainly be our ruin (unless we overcome it), whereas not only will the payment of a heavier tribute to state capitalism not ruin us, it will lead us to socialism by the surest road. When the working class has learned how to defend the state system against the anarchy of small ownership, when it has learned to organise large-scale production on a national scale along state-capitalist lines, it will hold, if I may use the expression, all the trump cards, and the consolidation of socialism will be assured.

<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, 1921, The Tax in Kind, (The Significance Of The New Policy And Its Conditions)

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/apr/21.htm

State capitalism is superior to private capitalism and small-scale peasant production; socialist economic planning is superior to state capitalism and all types of capitalist and pre-capitalist relations. You simply believed the propaganda used to manipulate young people in the third world, deceiving them into blaming "corruption," "incompetence," or "statism" to advance the interests of financial capital through privatization, deregulation, and financialization as a solution to something created by capitalists, the petty bourgeoisie, and imperialist capitalism to hand over public and collective goods to capitalist speculators like a fool. This solution of theirs worsens everything, including creating more corruption, making services more precarious, and handing over what belongs to all of society to the enemy class.

>>2799155
No one could change their mind after twenty five fucking years

>>2799270
The party members privatized the state property for themselves. Woah, bro, I didn't know. Bless your heart.

>>2799281
>socialist economic planning is superior to state capitalism
So, why did everyone everywhere reform this kind of economy to a mixed economy? Do not tell me anti-marxist idealist bullshit ad hoc 'economic basis was changed by free will of le evil bourgeoisie'.

>>2799798
The restoration of capitalist relations arises from revisionism encouraged by capitalist imperialists and their agents to degrade the dictatorship of the proletariat. The dictatorship of the proletariat begins to be corroded by these revisionist influences that undermine the discipline of the proletariat, distort socialist principles such as class struggle, the irreconcilability of social classes, the need for economic planning according to labor and needs in the socialist state, the need to use revolutionary terror until there is global socialist hegemony to end the capitalist imperialist threat that finances puppets against those who resist, the need to maintain financial, technological, food, and energy sovereignty, the truth that the state is an instrument of one class to oppress another, the political supremacy of the proletariat must be maintained against all who do not accept it through re-education or any other means, no matter how much you are hated for it, having an anti-imperialist position of self-determination of peoples, defending the overthrow of all bourgeois and pre-capitalist states so that the class of the proletariat must acquire supremacy and socialize the economy, showing solidarity with all workers of the world to advance the final victory of socialism, and reject discourses of peaceful coexistence and class conciliation.

The lack of this vigilance leads opportunists to offer false solutions that create problems; they offer even more false solutions that serve the interests of imperialist capitalism, sabotaging even worse opportunists who can offer false solutions of capitulation. Therefore, one cannot allow oneself to be deceived by petty-bourgeois discourses of decentralization or be afraid to use revolutionary terror, being naive, because the agents of imperialist capitalism will take advantage of your weakness.

The lack of this vigilance leads opportunists to offer false solutions that create problems, and they offer even more false solutions that serve the interests of imperialist capitalism in sabotaging the dictatorship of the proletariat so that even worse opportunists can offer false solutions of capitulation. Therefore, one cannot allow oneself to be deceived by petty-bourgeois discourses of decentralization or be afraid to use revolutionary terror out of naiveté, because the agents of imperialist capitalism will exploit your weakness. Therefore, never forget to maintain the political domination of the proletarian class even against counter-revolutionaries, nationalists, liberals, conservatives, libertarians, reactionaries, reformists, lovers of decentralization, and any worker who denies the supremacy of the proletarian class, denies collective ownership, and denies the discipline that workers need to have.

>>2799907
* Ignore the second paragraph, which is incompletely repeated, and skip to the third, which is complete.

>>2798259
>No, dude, Russian government is the one who likes soviet era
No, they like the aesthetics and the cultural memory of strength and national greatness. They absolutely despise its actual policies and what it stood for. If that hadn't been the case then they wouldn't have destroyed it.

>>2799779
>No one could change their mind after twenty five fucking years
lmao, "change mind"

Uygha, Putin is the biggest ideology shopper there is, not because he changes his mind a lot, but because he is an opportunist.

He has record of saying that he's a liberal, a nationalist and a socialist.

>>2798259
>There used to be a period of hate under Yeltsin, but it's gone
Yeah, he was unpopular for a reason