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I hear often that to establish a communist society implies the abolition of the law of value, which means abolishing the commodity form – that objects are created for exchange rather than for use.
But how exactly do we get to do this ? It seems that the idea of exchange-value imposing itself on use-value as the dominant way of production simply reflects scarcity. Some objects are valued more than others and we would prefer that the ressources required to produce one are spent in object A than object B.
As such, how exactly do we go about to about to abolish the law of value whilst retaining the inevitable characteristic of scarcity in most domains ?

>inb4 paul dickblast

It's been a while since I've read dickblast's TANS but doesn't his concept of labor-vouchers imply commodification of labor ? Working to be able to get said-vouchers is recreating a form of exchange which reflects scarcity. It's a better monetary system than the one we have now, but it still operates under a form of the law of value. (note that it's been a while since I've read it, so this might be incorrect)

Dickblast in the final instance, suggests that with complete accounting of labor time crystallized in commodities, and with a continuous reduction of the working day, and orienting towards a need based economy (whatever that thing turns out to be) gives you communism more or less

>>2800584
You go work for 8 hours like usual, but you don't get paid, all you desire is the warm glow of a job well done. Labor will be life's prime want, so you'll probably want to work 12 or 16 hours.

>>2800646
Your coworkers are your family and you’ll live in the factory and the mine in dorms

By abolishing market exchange.

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>doesn't his concept of labor-vouchers imply commodification of labor ?
According to Marx, labour-vouchers are not money, but are simply a type of ticket or coupon which distributes goods (the communist system presupposing universal rationing of resources):
<Owen’s “labour-money,” for instance, is no more “money” than a ticket for the theatre.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch03.htm
<For example, the social working day consists of the sum of the individual hours of work; the individual labor time of the individual producer is the part of the social working day contributed by him, his share in it. He receives a certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of labor cost. The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another. Here, obviously, the same principle prevails as that which regulates the exchange of commodities, as far as this is exchange of equal values. Content and form are changed, because under the altered circumstances no one can give anything except his labor, and because, on the other hand, nothing can pass to the ownership of individuals, except individual means of consumption. But as far as the distribution of the latter among the individual producers is concerned, the same principle prevails as in the exchange of commodity equivalents: a given amount of labor in one form is exchanged for an equal amount of labor in another form.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm
EBT Cards (food stamps) would be an appropriate analog.

As yet, we see that people prefer the liquidity of money to hard assets, so there is an inherent psychological issue. For example, would you rather be paid $400 in cash, $500 credit or $600 food stamps? Most people prefer cash to any other token.

>>2800836
Yeah but in the end it's reproducing the law of value but for only one type of commodity : labor. Working to get money/paid is de facto exchanging your labor for other labor, it's commodifying.

>>2800903
de facto but not de jure
Marx simply states that form and content are reversed, so we no longer have a form of value (e.g. money) but still retain its meaning.

>>2800903
>>2800917
Marx uses the same trick with the state; its not a state if it doesn't fit my definition of a state. So you can see it as dishonest if you want to.


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