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Hoxhaism, like other Scientific Socialist movements, had first emerged out of the ideological conflict during the middle-to-late potion of the 20th Century CE. During this time, Enver Hoxha, General Secretary of the Albanian Party of Labour, began to understand, and be critical of, the increasingly revisionist and opportunist rhetoric and polices of the leaders of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics after the death of J. Stalin. At this time, the powerful and harmonious socialist economy that was created as a result of the five-year plans of the 1930’s was slowly being metaphorically watered-down as Khrushchev and later Brezhnev ruled the USSR into the later part of the 20th century.

Enver Hoxha was further agitated by Mao Zedong’s “three worlds theory”; a revisionist and opportunist idea which ignored any sort of societal contradictions in favour of Mao’s immediate geopolitical ambitions. To quote Comrade Hoxha on the “three worlds theory”:

"[…] all of these terms which refer to the different political powers working in the world today conceal — and don't reveal — the class character of these political powers, the basic contradictions of our epoch, the predominant key problem on the national and international scale today, the grim struggle which is waged between the bourgeois-revisionist world on the one hand and socialism, the world proletariat and its natural allies on the other hand." (Enver Hoxha, Report to the 7th Party Congress of the PLA)

Enver Hoxha would seldom capitulate to Khrushchev’s careerism or Mao’s flunkeyism, however. Instead, he would later withdraw from the social-imperialist Warsaw Pact, and would end relations with the revisionist People’s Republic of China. Thus in the process, preventing the People’s Socialist Republic of Albania from becoming a vassal of either social-imperialist state or bloc.

Hence, from this ideological conflict emerged Hoxhaism – the continuation of Marxism and modernisation of Leninism for the international proletariat, free from the crass revisionism and careerism of the Khrushchevite-Brezhnevite Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the petite-bougeois pseudo-Marxism of the People’s Republic of China.

After Hoxha’s life concluded in 1985, a large amount of Communist Parties, many of which located in the Americas, have taken up Hoxha’s example resilience to revisionism and careerism.

Hoxhaism, as it exists in the present, is the most potent theoretical continuation of applied Marxism.
Had the USSR taken heed to follow comrade Hoxha's guidance it would not have fallen apart and become defiled, ultimately being cannibalized by the religious reactionaries and liberal forces lead by the traitor of humanity Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev. Had the USSR not fallen apart like it did, the rest of the socialist world would still be present.


Selected Writings:
https://marxistleninists.org/enver%20hoxha/index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hoxha/works/ebooks/hoxha-selected-writings-1971-1977.pdf
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/

Motivational selected quotes from comrade Enver Hoxha:
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/516965.Enver_Hoxha


>less than 6 million people lived under hoxhaism and it collapsed overnight after no revisionist USSR or PRC
not a good look tbh

>>2802664
Following Hoxha's death, revisionist Ramiz Alia made Albania follow the rest of the revisionist socialist states's retreat into bourgeois democracy.

I don't mind Hoxhaists/"antirevisionists", even though their main thing is just being MLs against China. They're usually pretty well read and their line is decent. S4A has given you guys a lot of clout.

Regardless of that, any movement that concerns itself with some obscure figure, like Hoxha, as its guiding principle is bound to remain marginal theorists with no movement

Being against revisionism is also a bad angle to frame your current from, you should be primarily for something, not against something
<B…but we are for bla bla bla
You are anti revisionists, that is what you are called

>>2802669
>great man theory
mhm
anyway, hoxhaism surely has its roots, it is not based on nothing, but it is a wilted flower on the growing and living tree of living, fertile, genuine, powerful, omnipotent, objective, absolute marxism

Hoxhaism is for the proletarian revolution following an immediate programme of all class parties in their respective nations.

Cringe

ITT

>>2802853
truth super nova

>>2802713
? Not OP but wth are you talking about? Elaborate and cite sources

>>2802683
>S4A
who?

>>2802853
this but the other way around

>>2803527
Socialism4All. One of about three good communist youtubers

>>2803714
derg starved the country through incompetence while the TPRF sustained and expanded ethiopia and saved it from its somali-tier crisis

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I've come across a claim that Hoxha was largely a fraud. That he was not really a "consistent" "anti-revisionist Marxist-Leninist".

What do Hoxhaist or Hoxha defenders have to say about this?

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>>2803728
Just making shit up as if Hoxha didn't write an entire book called The Khruschevites

>After 1978, Albania isolated itself entirely, claiming to be the only truly anti-revisionist socialist state left on Earth.

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>>2803797
it wasn't completely isolated. they had flights to tirana

>>2803563
i appreciate his free audiobooks a lot more than his commentary.

>>2802683
>any movement that concerns itself with some obscure figure, like Hoxha, as its guiding principle is bound to remain marginal theorists with no movement
real hoxhaist movements rarely actually mention hoxha tbh they are more easily identifiable for using stalin image
>Being against revisionism is also a bad angle to frame your current from, you should be primarily for something, not against something
being anti revisionism literally means being for actual ML and thats how they usually portray themselves talks about revisionism are barely brought up because these parties are constatly seeking the creation of popular fronts and development of their mass organizations and sectarism wouldn't help in those efforts

>>2803928
>real hoxhaist movements rarely actually mention hoxha tbh they are more easily identifiable for using stalin image
Not relevant to my point at all, they're not called stalinists, they're called hoxhaists. Their line descended from that and is literally defined by that

>being anti revisionism literally means being for

Did you not read my post before replying? This thread is literally discussing "Hoxhaism"/"antirevisionism" which is what my points were about and you're here like uhhhhm actually they actually don't call themselves hoxhaist nor antirevisionist!!

It literally does not matter at all what they call themselves

>>2803951
>they're called hoxhaists
they rarely call themselves that thoughbeit
>It literally does not matter at all what they call themselves
uygha you are criticizing a movement then getting mad when people tell you believe about them is not accurate to reality it's not my fault all you can fight with is strawman

>>2803928
>being anti revisionism literally means being for actual ML
Sure but a bigger problem with labels like "anti-revisionism" is that it's extremely esoteric and divorced from the real struggle as it currently exists. In the absence of the USSR, of a socialist Albania, of a serious labour and socialist movement of any kind, what good is it? Imagine travelling back in time to the second century and telling some early Christians that you're an "anti-Catholic". It would have zero meaning in that context and would be of no interest to anybody you might be trying to reach. Workers are interested in where their next meal is coming from, how they're going to make rent, how they're going to pay for their kid's braces. They don't care in the slightest about theoretical disagreements between dead states from 60 years ago, and if that sort of thing features prominently in your rhetoric they'll quickly lose interest. Also at this point I think it needs to acknowledge that the reemergence of the worker's movement will necessarily take on forms that would rightly be called revisionist or otherwise incorrect. However its important to understand that such a movement is a necessary precursor to an authentic revolutionary socialism. If you can't find a way to play a constructive role in these early days then you'll be a greater detriment than asset.

>>2804060
I don't think so, it might not happen happen in the us but many places have revissionist "leftists" parties who mislead the proletariat making them think they are the one who will bring abut their liberation

denouncing these liberal movements is crucial for the socialist movement to succeed

>>2803528
Once you critique commodity production there is no going back

>>2803960
Their most well known general name and descriptor is not a strawman dude, there's nothing else to call them

>>2804168
There's a big difference between criticizing another party for its current positions, policies, and actions relating to contemporary issues, and criticizing them for their takes on irrelevant historical disputes from decades ago. This is why labels like Hoxhaist, Trotskyist, ML, etc are largely meaningless today. They have little hearing on modern issues and essentially just delineate a party's ideological lineage and it's takes on historical questions. I'd say that any vanguardist parry should just abandon such labels and consider themselves Leninist, and even then only because they adhere to Lenin's basic strategy.

>>2804283
>There's a big difference between criticizing another party for its current positions, policies, and actions relating to contemporary issues, and criticizing them for their takes on irrelevant historical disputes from decades ago. This is why labels like Hoxhaist, Trotskyist, ML, etc are largely meaningless today.
"revisionism" is not like those you mention, it doesn't refer to (only) old historical disputes, its about their current positions and policies on and in the present state of things

>>2804303
>its about their current positions and policies on and in the present state of things
Yeah but that has basically nothing to do with historical positions or named tendencies. One cannot call themselves an ML, Trotskyist, Hoxhaist, Maoist, or really any other Leninist tendency without specific reference to those historical splits. Especially since those tendencies have themselves diversified and split to the point where you have different parties identifying as the same tendency but taking opposite positions on things.

>>2802694
>absolute marxism
That's an oxymoron.

So after days of research I've come to the incredibly regrettable finding that, out of the two international Hoxhaist tendencies competing today, the one that correctly doesn't uphold the dumbass "Dimitrovist Popular Front did nothing wrong" line is the one that was marginalized.

"ICMLPO (Unity & Struggle)", the popular-frontist Hoxhaist international, is the "main" one.
"Comintern (Stalinist-Hoxhaist)", the united-frontist Hoxhaist international, is the marginal one.

Dogmato-Revisionism general

>>2807176
Petty bourg revolutionist narodnik-wannabe says what?

>>2804283
>>2804303
yeah this is essentially what not understanding what revissionism is looks like this isn't about disputes that happened a 100 years ago is about current issues

>>2807176
saying this with a sendero luminoso flag is hillarious

>>2807139
>"Comintern (Stalinist-Hoxhaist)", the united-frontist Hoxhaist international, is the marginal one.
idk they seem pretty lame compared to ICMLPO

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Marx and Engels did not present Marxism as a frozen doctrine; they treated it as a materialist method that develops with concrete historical conditions. So not every theoretical development or strategic adaptation is “revisionism.” At the same time, this does not mean every departure from revolutionary politics can be defended as “non-dogmatic flexibility.” In the Marxist–Leninist sense, revisionism refers to revisions that liquidate the revolutionary and class basis of Marxism under the banner of adaptation.

So both errors should be rejected:

>using “revisionist” as an empty factional insult against any disagreement or development;


AND

>using “anti-dogmatism” to justify abandoning class struggle, proletarian power, or communism itself.

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>>2807864
>Marx and Engels did not present Marxism
True. They rejected Marxism.

>>2807887
Whenever someone posts this out of context quote I'm just gonna respond with Friedrich Engels' words:
>"Marx was a genius; we others were at best talented. Without him the theory would not be by far what it is today. It therefore rightly bears his name."

>>2807887
he was making fun of the french, nuff said

>>2802652
you must admit this is a bit silly?
Marxism should be "revise" or "re-envisioned" whatever as material conditions change. The world is very different today from the industrial revolution
Not only that, but Albania never really progressed under Hoxha. The country still doesn't even drinkable tap water. Clearly Dengism or Castroism or even Juche are superior models.

>>2808070
>Albania never really progressed under Hoxha
you wot m8. the party of labor of albania basically built all the infrastructure, industry, electricity, technology, education, etc. albania has

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>>2807863
>idk they seem pretty lame compared to ICMLPO
Do you even know what the united front and popular front are you fucking dumbass?
There is nothing more "lame", to speak you prepubescent verbiage, than, after going out of your way to rebase on anti-revisionist, revolutionary Marxism-Leninism like Hoxhaists are supposedly doing, not dispense with one of the most blatant batch of revisionist seeds found in the simpleton directives of Dimitrov's years in the ECCI; collaboration with bourgeois liberal leaders (progressives like Churchill!), parliamentary cretinism and peaceful coexistence with capitalist imperialism. After your "Fifth head", Hoxha himself, at the end of his life, famously spend a large amount of energy tackling and critiquing the so-called "eurocommunist" counter-revolutionary advance; a political movement within the eastern bloc which was exactly a direct consequence of a process starting with the Comintern's 7th Congress. Concessions there from made into a battering ram, weaponized by the bureaucrat right-wing. In everything Dimitrov modified of the United Front with his Popular/Anti-Fascist Front addition, Stalin found the need to add absent cautious detail, clarification, grounding it in the united front conclusions; pointing to the Popular Front having no place after the fascist axis were no more.
Stalin was a Leninist and the Comintern gradually refined the United Front tactic, crystallizing in the United Front from Below during the 5th Congress the most universal tactic for the capitalist imperialist era, having none of the 6th Congress ultra-left mistakes. It was born out of praxis in the real sense of the word. To think 7th Congress 'Popular Frontism', pushed by Dimitrov, consisting of a right-deviationist overcorrection to 6th Congress, which was in turn a left-deviationist overcorrection in response to Bukharinite eclecticism causing chaos in the Comintern during the 5th, when it is the ground which revisionist stand on, is fucking sus. Apparently ICMLPO just concluded that the mantle of anti-revisionism just wasn't that important as Hoxha stans and, as a result, have handed the KKE that sword instead. Practically, that is (as far as I can gather) the case right now. KKE and their ECA international from 2009 onward, have a more ML anti-revisionist line than the largest nominally "anti-revisionist" ML Hoxhaist international; the ICMLPO.

So not a single Hoxhaist actually is on leftypol to engage with the discourse attempted in this thread or?
So who the fuck made the fucking thread?


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