I live in the Global South in a region being absolutely hammered by rising heat waves, the worst kind. People are dying, people are suffering, daily life is becoming unbearable. I’ve watched the heat get worse in real time and seen the misery it brings.
And unlike the retarded neocons these activists do understand the consequences of climate change, but then what? They offer nothing remotely proportional to the crisis. “Plant more trees,” “switch to solar” that’s it. I’ve had to explain over and over that our governments are too corrupt and dysfunctional to pull that off. They barely function as it is. There’s no institutional capacity and Individual actions don’t mean much in a system like this.
We had chances. When Al Gore lost and oil billionaire won, that was a turning point and a disastrous one. I genuinely mourn what could have been different. We could have built global institutions capable of dealing with climate change before it spiraled into this nightmare. But that’s not the world we got.
This is the reality now and If we want to prevent total collapse, geoengineering is the only option left on the table. I know it’s dangerous and I know it doesn’t fix the root cause. I’m not blind to that. But at this point it’s not about perfect solutions, it’s about any solution that might actually keep people alive and not in pain.
Because it’s highly experimental and theoretical with too many unknown.
>This is the reality now
>If we want to prevent total collapse
Pick one.
Adaption and further prevention are the priorities now. Total negation is simply not on the table.
>>2803762I agree we need geoengineering but if our governments won't even switch from fossil fuels then do you really expect them to do any kind of huge project like this? Even if they somehow did it would be totally corrupt and evil, they'd probably end up harming more people than they would help.
>>2803768>I agree we need geoengineeringNo, we need to get our shit together. Successful geoengineering in our current state is not an advisable position to have. We are pathetic in comparison to the state we should be to handle such a project.
I'd reckon it's the same reason there apprehensive about nuclear energy which is that people living in the West have a very hard time imagining a government thats actually capable of doing anything other than facilitating corruption and/or doling out violence as needed to protect the private property of the ruling class. The whole concept that the State might have to do something the business class doesn't like at the time to perpetuate itself is a foreign concept to them.
"Geoengineering" is mere science fiction at this point, a nice pitch to get venture capital money. Cloud seeding to increase the albedo of the earth would cost too much money at this scale and stuff like CO2 capture is energy intensive so you need the solar panels first anyway.
Planting trees literally is a form of geoengineering you idiot, lmao
>>2803774No one is talking about planting trees.
>>2803771I literally said right after that we can't trust capitalist government to do it
>>2803773It costs a lot less to do geoengineering than what society will lose if climate change goes unchecked
>>2803772People don't like nuclear because it's really expensive, tied to weapons of mass destruction and will transform their home in an exclusion zone if there is a trillion dollar fuck up. Most nuclear plants are in the west and were built by states, the private sector shies away from those since they have negative ROI and are uninsurable
>>2803777I am not merely talking about the problem of rule of capital, but rather all of it’s side effects and then some. Enshittification permeates everything. Just about everything in our modern world is made, done, and implemented with capital and reactionary idealism in mind. We have to redesign logistics chains. We have to redesign urban design. We have to redesign agricultural systems. You name it, we have to at least look it over.
And that’s before you have to factor in something as catastrophic as any form of climate change. Including geoengineered climate change. It is a lot. There is a lot.
>>2803790Ok, yeah, it's a lot, that doesn't mean we just shouldn't do anything.
>>2803792I’m not saying not to do anything, I’m saying geoengineering is not on the top of the list.
Most liberals/“leftists” (at least in the US) have a noble savage view of non white people. On top of hating all the countries that actually beat their colonizers like China and Vietnam, I’ve had people get mad at me for saying that making art isn’t actually doing anything and if you want to actually help minority groups who are homeless or living in really poor places like native reservations you should talk to those people just like they’re white and ask them if there is stuff you can guy for them that would make their lives better. This isn’t helped by members of the petty bourgeoise from these groups essentially starting businesses where they get white people to pay them tons of money so they can “reconnect with the land” or whatever, instead of helping the people from those groups that are actually poor.
>>2803794I don't think we really have time to prioritise what we do to protect the environment, if I was in charge of the world I would slash entire industries just to put resources towards the green new deal or whatever you want to call it. If we have to for example stop making any videogames or movies for five years that's what we should do. More realistically it would be stop any new construction perhaps to put all engineering/manpower towards the project. Whatever it takes, we should be willing to sacrifice
>>2803765>>2803771>>2803798This is exactly my point. I explicitly said this doesn’t fix the root causes, but unless there’s a revolution, these corrupt, incompetent third-world hybrid regimes will never dismantle these oligarchic systems without extreme foreign sanction ready pressure. And meanwhile, people are literally being burned alive.
>>2803762geoengineering/terraforming is too expensive and largely unproven.
> I know it’s dangerous and I know it doesn’t fix the root cause.then why are you asking? if we can't do relatively cheap and simple corrective actions why would we be able to do more complex expensive and destructive actions?
> They offer nothing remotely proportional to the crisis. “Plant more trees,”ironically planting more trees to reverse desertification is one of the forms of terraforming.
I'm really struggling to parse what you're trying to ask here lol.
>>2803798>if I was in charge of the world I would slash entire industriesWhat industries
>More realistically it would be stop any new construction perhaps to put all engineering/manpower towards the projectEven ignoring the poor state of towns and cities right now, this proposition would never fly. Stopped construction means the proletariat is going to be more vulnerable to climate than they already are.
>If we have to for example stop making any videogames or movies for five years that's what we should doWhy would we ever do this
>I don't think we really have time to prioritise what we do to protect the environmentWe’re going to have to make time regardless of how much we actually have.
>>2803776OP:>And unlike the retarded neocons these activists do understand the consequences of climate change, but then what? They offer nothing remotely proportional to the crisis. “Plant more trees,” “switch to solar” that’s it.
>>2803815And like I said, these are at best feel good individual actions. If there were a concerted government effort to enact these policies, something radical could be done, but thees governments both won't and can’t.
>>2803815I know OP mentioned trees, but we’re not talking about planting trees either. No one here is interested in tree planting except maybe you I guess.
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