There is no reason not to join the Democratic Party, they have no party line, no discipline, it's a purely big-tent party; you can say and do whatever you want, and you will never get kicked out. DSA has shown that it's the best strategy to become Democrats by achieving the most out of all left-wing and left-leaning organizations in the US, meanwhile everyone running as third parties have failed to elect even 1 candidate in any important position, or organize a serious protest.
>inb4 this belongs to usapol
This question has been misunderstood so often that it deserves its own thread(usapol)
>inb4 this belongs to usapol
Yes unless its about reformist center-right parties in general.
If all 50 states went blue
If all of congress was blue
Do you think the US would RADICALLY change?
>>2805301Not at all, the US working and lumpen classes and minorities are all right wing and addicted to treats as their bourgeois countrymen, class is the secondary contradiction
>>2805295Man, I just don't care. The Democrats won't change anything but I fucking hate the Republicans and I want to see their supporters cry so I vote Democratic.
I pretty consistently voot democrat, not because I think they're worthwhile, but because their brand of flaccid, cowardly evil is much easier to stomach than the Republicans' gleeful, aggressive evil. The polling location is also within walking distance of my house; if it wasn't, there's a good chance I wouldn't vote at all.
>>2805321I think it's noteworthy that attempts at American communism and socialism pretty consistently attempt to appeal to the class interests of the petite bourgeois and/or the lumpen. Proletarian concerns are never given any serious consideration.
>have a fascist flag
>criticize gleeful "evil" ™️
What did xhe mean by this?
>>2805782Xhe meant that that Stalin lost.
Post-Deng China has demonstrated with perfect clarity that the kind of economics that we've been advocating for are not only possible, but significantly better than ML mental mush. What remains to be seen is whether the political half of our ideology is viable long term, but with how consistently the dogmatists of Marxism have been proven wrong, I suspect the answer is yes.
>>2805295HOLY SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTT TRUTHBOMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
DEMOCRAT PARTY - CLASS PARTY OF THE WORLD PROLETARIAT, DEMOCRAT = DEMOCRATIC CENTRALISM = LENIN
>>2805826>Stalin lostAnother L for social democracy
in america third parties have no chance, so logically the only way to actually change things is to hijack the party, like trump did with the GOP, it would be tougher to do that on the democrat side, but if you wanted actual change a corporate take over would be the way to go
>>2805861It’s actually through military coup
>>2805843Daily reminder the the only Stalinist nation left, North Korea, is a backwards shithole.
>But muh sanctionsThey're trading with the most powerful country on the planet. China has allowed plenty of money to flow into the country and they haven't done shit with it.
>>2805826>Post-Deng China has demonstrated with perfect clarity that the kind of economics that we've been advocating forits called capitalism and you already are the most advanced capitalist society
>>2805888>socdem country is a shitholeMore news at 6
>>2805295>it's a purely big-tent partyAbsolutely they accept all right wing groups
>>2805888>Daily reminder the the only Stalinist nation left, North KoreaThey haven’t been Stalinist for years, since Covid their private sector exploded.
>is a backwards shithole.No it’s not, it’s not 1994 anymore
>They're trading with the most powerful country on the planet. China has allowed plenty of money to flow into the country and they haven't done shit with it.So building beach resorts and housing units isn’t doing shit?
>>2805959Juche is a distinct ideology from Marxism Leninism, it’s both state socialism applied to Korea and Kim Il Sung’s way of navigating the Sino Soviet Split. He understandably didn’t want to take a direct side in the split because the guns and farm equipment came from the Soviet Union and Mao literally rescued him and the DPRK and beat the entire UN back beyond the 38th. You might call it opportunism, I call it effective statesmanship, of which there exists no better alternative.
Let's see what the paramount leader of the global communist movement has to say:
>Chinese President Xi Jinping told the late Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe he probably wouldn’t have joined the Communist Party if he’d been born in the US, but would have been a member of the Democratic or Republican parties.
>“In other words, he didn’t see any point in a party that doesn’t wield political power,” Abe is cited as saying in a memoir released Wednesday in Japan […]https://www.semafor.com/article/02/09/2023/xi-jinping-said-he-wouldnt-be-a-communist-if-born-in-us-shinzo-abe-book-claims>>2806840Can't Xi have a signal W? What a bum ass libtard xd
>>2806840Yes, typically actual Communists like to push for real material changes rather than sloganeering as US CPs dedicate themselves to.
>>2805295The Democratic Party is controlled by the bourgeoisie and its financiers to co-opt the masses to serve finance capital. Let's see what Marx and Engels wrote about communists in bourgeois elections:
<Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body.
<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, 1850, "Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League"https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm
<The first great step of importance for every country newly entering into the movement is always the organisation of the workers as an independent political party, no matter how, so long as it is a distinct workers' party. And this step has been taken, far more rapidly than we had a right to hope, and that is the main thing. That the first programme of this party is still confused and highly deficient, that it has set up the banner of Henry George, these are inevitable evils but also only transitory ones. The masses must have time and opportunity to develop and they can only have the opportunity when they have their own movement–no matter in what form so long as it is only their own movement–in which they are driven further by their own mistakes and learn wisdom by hurting themselves.
<Frederick Engels, “Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence 1886”, Engels to Friedrich Adolph Sorge In Hobokenhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/letters/86_11_29.htm
<Complete abstention from political action is impossible. The abstentionist press participates in politics every day. It is only a question of how one does it, and of what politics one engages in. For the rest, to us abstention is impossible. The working-class party functions as a political party in most countries by now, and it is not for us to ruin it by preaching abstention. Living experience, the political oppression of the existing governments compels the workers to occupy themselves with politics whether they like it or not, be it for political or for social goals. To preach abstention to them is to throw them into the embrace of bourgeois politics. The morning after the Paris Commune, which has made proletarian political action an order of the day, abstention is entirely out of the question.
<We want the abolition of classes. What is the means of achieving it? The only means is political domination of the proletariat. For all this, now that it is acknowledged by one and all, we are told not to meddle with politics. The abstentionists say they are revolutionaries, even revolutionaries par excellence. Yet revolution is a supreme political act and those who want revolution must also want the means of achieving it, that is, political action, which prepares the ground for revolution and provides the workers with the revolutionary training without which they are sure to become the dupes of the Favres and Pyats the morning after the battle. However, our politics must be working-class politics. The workers' party must never be the tagtail of any bourgeois party; it must be independent and have its goal and its own policy.
<The political freedoms, the right of assembly and association, and the freedom of the press — those are our weapons. Are we to sit back and abstain while somebody tries to rob us of them? It is said that a political act on our part implies that we accept the exiting state of affairs. On the contrary, so long as this state of affairs offers us the means of protesting against it, our use of these means does not signify that we recognise the prevailing order.
<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, "Apropos Of Working-Class Political Action".https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/09/21.htmAs you can see, it is necessary for the workers to have their own political party independent of the bourgeoisie, even if they have no chance of winning, so that the proletariat can acquire political supremacy. All the politicians in the Democratic Party serve the bourgeoisie and betrayed the popular will to follow "union" with capitalist imperialism. If you look at the case of Hillary Clinton and Biden, where this so-called "left wing of the party," Sanders and the "squad," pressured for nothing when they could, but instead co-opted the popular will that voted for them to submit to finance capital.
Donkeys are beautiful animals
>>2806840Actually lol'd. Not only did he just admit to being an opportunist, he considers joining not just the Democratic party but the fucking Republican party as a possibility. Please save us, Marx.
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