Let's all do dialectical materialism!
>Thesis: Heil Hitler
>Antithesis: Hitler was bad
>Synthesis: Hitler was okay
This is real Marxism, just as Carl Marks intended
There’s literally nothing unique or interesting about Hitler or Naziism, literally every Nazi policy was done by previous German governments as well as American, British, and French empires. Thinking Naziism is more evil than the others is just racism in itself, because you don’t have nearly the attention or concern for non European, non Jewish or slavic victims.
Oh allah please have mercy on Marx for what falsfiers did to him
رحمك الله يا ماركس وانقذك من مختصبين الجثث ولد ال٦٠ الف كلب
>>2807995Idea: Weighted dialectics
- Position A is found through testing to be true, and thus has a weight of 1
- Position B is found through testing to be false, and thus has a weight of 0
- C, the synthesis of A and B, happens to be identical to A.
>>2807985bordiga beat you to it
Thesis: Me
Antithesis: Your mother
Synthesis: You
>>2807989people should read late victorian holocausts
>>2808010WHy is it ᴉuᴉlossnW-style
>>>/ISG/
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>>2807992>Iran is imperialistRead a book you pseud.
>>2807989Idk if that's exactly true. Of course other European states killed similar numbers of people, but for them the killing wasn't the point. For example, the Belgian Congo was a giant rubber plantation, and while it produced both rubber and corpses, the rubber was the point. The corpses were just a consequence of the Belgian methods which they didn't care about. For the Nazis on the other hand, the killing was the whole point, even to the detriment of their war effort and economic interests. Places like Auschwitz or the killing fields at Baba Yar produced only corpses, and this was their intention. Typically most European atrocities of this scale were not campaigns of extermination, but actions done in pursuit of other ends with no regard for the human cost.
>>2808354>Places like AuschwitzWRONG. Auschwitz was a massive complex only part of which was the extermination camp.
>>2808684The point is that extermination camps didn't exist in other European colonial empires, even ones that were killing millions.
>>2808858this is what leftcoms critically don't understand
>>2808234because it was scanned by a dumbass
>>2808343Having control over global trade makes you imperialist
Cope.
>>2807989Nazi apologia. I guarantee you were posting holocaust denial and "race science" 10 years ago (assuming you're not still posting it).
>>2809027Name a single thing Nazis did that wasn’t done by Europe in the colonies
>>2809027Zionist detected
>>2809282In what way shape or form is that post Zionist?
>>2809286Attributing any unique qualities to the Holocaust or the position that it’s “the worst genocide” is by default zionism. Zionism is the only reason westerners get holocaust education. That’s how zionism is rationalized.
>>2809027>Nazi apologiaNazis and leftcoms are two peas in a pod
>>2809293You still can’t actually show how Hitler is any different or MORE evil than queen Victoria or the French 3rd Republic
The Holocaust wasn't just the murder of Jews. Millions of gentiles were also killed. Don't let your antisemitism dismiss their deaths.
>>2808858Right, the Fordian logic of manufacture hadn't been applied to the other genocides.
>>2809296You know about Queen Victoria and the even the 3rd republic, but you only mention Hitler. Do you know any other Germans?
>>2809288You didn't answer my question, you just said the same thing you already said in more words.
>>2809296I don't think either of those empires designated entire peoples as unfit for life based on genetic inferiority. Even in Manifest Destiny, once the Indigenous peoples were subdued and cleared off their land they were rounded up onto reservations. These essentially served as holding pens pending their eventual (forced) assimilation into "civilization" via residential schools and cultural suppression. Wholesale physical annihilation of entire peoples was not common even among 19th century colonial empires.
>>2809300Bismarck was every bit as genocidal he was just on fewer drugs
>>280931420 million people down to 250,000 and it’s somehow NOT extermination
>>2809301You know I did an just disagree that’s okay just be honest about it
>>2809319No, I'm still confused. Maybe I just didn't understand your explanation? Do you mind elaborating a bit?
>>2809322The British state, French colonialism, and Naziism are moral equivalents, the Soviet Union sided with far away fascists to beat near fascists. That’s the whole thesis, Stalin knew this but beating the near fascists cost way too many resources and manpower to turn and beat the far fascists and it led to capitulation and ruin and the geopolitical situation we deal with today.
>>2809325I still don't understand how that ties in to Zionism.
>>2809342Because holocaust narratives play into israeli interests in doing the same thing to Palestine
killing people for the sake of killing like the fascist germans and japanese did takes a lot of time energy and resources and is a net negative in cost. leopold was not in the congo for the sake of exterminating the natives to repopulate the land with belgians, he was there to make money no matter how many millions of innocent people it took to achieve it. you'd have to be a braindead retard that needs to read marx in order to conflate the two
>>2809345It’s not anyone’s fault other than your own that you can’t put 2 and 2 together to make 4
>>2809346Or you can reject the first premise and understand WWII as German colonialism in Eastern Europe
>>2809348I'm sorry, but it really isn't as obvious as you seem to think it is.
>>2809349they were merely imitating the roman empire, where fascism was first invented
>>2809361Fascism doesn’t exist and never existed, it’s liberalism with a 20th century mass politics paint job
>>2809351Because you looked at the genocide and Gaza and said “I need to talk with my jewish friends about this and process in a way that doesn’t hurt their feelings”
>>2809375No I didn't? I don't know what this means.
>>2809376Yes you fucking do, denying it only makes you guiltier
>>2809374false. only pseuds assume capitalism is liberalism in every case unconditionally. capitalism has assumed many forms
>In Hitler’s view, the free play of forces in the marketplace in no way automatically resulted in a functioning, orderly, and flourishing economy. This economic objective could only be achieved by means of state control. Although Hitler continued to believe that a general nationalization of the means of production was not necessary in order to organize total production rationally, he threatened - openly and otherwise - nationalization as a possibility if the free economy did not achieve the objectives the state had set. >>2809384This is only different to the De Gaulle government because of geopolitical position, nor morality, not ideology, and not policy
>>2809391How? The original premise is that the Nazis are indeed nothing special. French conduct in Algeria is every bit as bad as Nazi conduct in Poland and the Soviet Union, you only think that’s different because you’re an anti Arab racist
>>2809379No, I honest to god don't.
Can anyone else pipe in? I really don't know what on earth this guy's talking about.
>>2809384>>2809386>>2809391>>2809394I think you guys might actually be in agreement and are juat having a lapse in communication.
>>2809404I have no patience for Jewish supremacy or Jewish exceptionalism and I will not apologize for it
>>2809405Now I'm not only confused, but concerned. What?
>>2809407Quit being obtuse, you know what the fuck I’m talking about, quit pretending
>>2809411No, I don't. Why are you being so obtuse?
I'm Jewish. That's right, I converted. Shalom.
>>2809431Why is every reply you leave an upvote?
>>2809595Kronstadt dockers did nothing wrong
>>2809498leftypol is reddit-coded
>>2807989naziism industrialized genocide in ways that had never been done before and also launched the biggest anticommunist war in humani history
>>2809611more like you are reddit brained
>>2809648>Uses the Treatler meme>Calls others reddit-mindedLol
>>2809648The nazis are simply the sin eaters for the collective west
>>2809318If you're talking about the European colonization of America, that 20 million figure isn't just the people in what eventually became the United States. 90% of the pre-1492 population died of disease. At any rate I'm not suggesting that the Nazis invented genocide. Simply that there wasn't anything equivalent going on in other European states at the time or in the preceding century.
>>2809657Boer war camps, the Armenian genocide, and the genocides in Namibia all set the stage for Europe
>>2809659I can't comment on Armenia or Namibia, but the Boer camps are an example of what I'm talking about. They were brutal and horrific but they were a tool for the subjugation of the Boers, not their eradication.
>>2809654so what? does that mean they weren't particularly evil?
>>2809729People are of course correct to argue that the Nazis didn't exist in a vacuum, that they were the rotten fruit of capitalist society's existing tendencies, and simply the logical conclusion of long established trends. They're also correct to describe the mainstream view of the Nazis as "sin-eaters", demons that European imperialists of all nations can project all the bad things in the world onto in order to obfuscate both their own society's role in producing Nazism, as well as their own crimes which predate the Nazis. Like with anything else though people take these things too far, and start to convince themselves that there was nothing special about the Nazis at all. I think an honest look at them and comparison to earlier colonial atrocities will reveal that they were more bloodthirsty and murderous in both their goals and methods than other European empires. It's also worth noting that a lot of those earlier atrocities were widely condemned even at the time, with the Belgian Congo and Boer concentration camps being good examples. Meanwhile many other atrocities were rationalized as being part of a civilizing mission, which was ultimately beneficial to the people being oppressed. This is also something which was absent in Nazi thinking. Nobody pretended that Operation Barbarossa was part of a mission to civilize and uplift the backwards Slavs. There was no Nazi equivalent of Charles V telling his conquistadores that the Indians were future Christians and subjects of Spain, and entitled to the rights pertaining thereto (proclamations which they of course ignored). On the contrary they issued orders to their troops telling them that they were free to rape, murder, and loot the population. The Spanish Empire had to conquer those pagan Indians so that their souls could be saved, the British Empire needed to occupy Africa to end the slave trade and uplift the local savages, etc. But the Nazis talked openly about the extinction of lesser peoples, and didn't shy away from this being their goal except in very limited, opportunistic situations (honorary Ayrans etc). There's a tendency among communists to correctly diagnose the real motivations and causes of a policy, but then to completely forget the ways in which it was justified at the time, the fact that people believed these justifications, and very often considered what they were doing to be for the ultimate benefit of the people they were brutalizing. I think this is a problem because it leads them to downplay the fact that some imperialists really are much worse than others, but worse it makes them ill equipped to challenge the justifications for these crimes and engage with misguided people who believe them. I think that if you want to have any hope of dismantling the colonial mindset of people in imperialist countries, you need to understand how somebody with a reasonably developed moral compass can be convinced to support horrifically immoral things. You won't be able to do that if you just assume that everybody involved in or even passively supporting some imperialist crime is self-consciously evil.
>>2809611nah, I've been banned from reddit multiple times. Either for "inciting violence," "terroristic threats," "racism" (against the fucking ukrainians) or, most commonly, ban evasion. All of those things fly here.
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