/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Well first of all, only those holding the guns, the military, is capable of exterminating the masses. Not the actual ruling class themselves, who are small in number, don't have weapons or training or physical fitness.

So the question more accurately is, will the military carry out orders from the top to exterminate the masses?

>>2808034
The robots?

>>2808035
That's a science fiction scenario, it's way too speculative.

>>2808038
Ok, but if you want a more grounded near-term scenario, look at a few examples of things that have happened recently:

* Gaza: 2 million people (before the war started) trapped in a small patch of land. Full siege for years now. No food allowed in or out.

* Iran: Blockage of the strait is reducing available hydrocarbons worldwide and reducing access to synthetic fertilizers. Famines in 1-2 years from now projected to kill millions in the developing world.

* Covid: Up to 36 million deaths due to both direct causes and indirectly due to the economic downturn.

* US sanctions: Estimated to cause half-a-million deaths per year around the world.

What's exactly stopping them from doing stuff like that on grander scales? The world depends on a lot of delicate logistical systems. Billions of people wouldn't be alive today if not for the green revolution, for example. Blockade a little country here, place a little embargo there, release a little bioweapon over there, and cause a little economic crisis, make food 1000x more expensive, then boom you can cause billions of poor people all over the world to die.

>>2808030
well machines can't buy stuff so porky will no longer be making any profit
it's in their interest to have millions or billions of hungry mouths and bored brains to sell shit to

no, it'll just be a vampire economy with them at the top. capitalists are already trying to shift everything to rentier and subscription-based models.

>>2808043
But they will still be extremely wealthy in material terms, since the robots will keep industry running for them. Does it really matter if the broken indicators of the current system show your GDP as low if you have infinity yachts and private island parties?

There's only one solution.

>>2808030
AUTOMATED
SYSTEMS
ARE
JUST
VARIABLE
CAPITAL
AND
THEREFORE
REQUIRE
UPKEEP
AND
DIRECTIVES

>>2808030
This is the thesis made by anarchist-communist Georgi Konstantinov of the so-called robotronic revolution, but its only a thesis because the workers are still the revolutionary subject and needed for production.
>will the asset-owning class just exterminate us all?
G.K. said either revolution or "hyperdictatorship" or something like that.
Internet debate lords are not smart enough to comprehend Georgi's writings, most of which have not been fully translated into english or translated at all.
For reference he spent his life in a labor camp reading Das Kapital, something most who would start off trying to critique him haven't done.

>>2808084
To G.K. it would all boil down into the contradictory interests of the rulers against the ruled once the workers/proles have become declassed.

>>2808086
Upkeep and directives are different jobs from all the prior tasks of manual labor, with different requirements and "specialization". The dispossessed laborers may or may not be able to get to be involved in the managerial roles of machinery lacking qualifications, or the managerial role of machinery being solely given to the bourgeois. It implies leading workers from different fields into solely becoming technical experts for the maintenance of machinery. That would mean a seamless transition into having a hold of the mop.

>>2808088 (Me)
And morons keep straw-manning "automation isn't automation because the machines aren't autonomous", that is not what automation is implied for, it is dishonest language games. We all know damn well what automation means, no one is implying "it will work for itself without interference" you subhuman retards.

>>2808088
Most don't accept it because they believe "managerial duty" i.e. oversight is a legitimate job, when in the capitalist mode of production it can only be the task of the bourgeois and petite-bourgeois who have control over the resources.

In the advent of a sweatshop business firing its workers to have machines take their task in production, those sweatshop workers will not be the ones managing the machines and they likely won't even be the ones doing maintenance. They will likely have to find employment somewhere else.
Who will manage the machines then? Likely either higher-ups or qualified employees which come from a more prestigious background. Technical workers who perform maintenance also require specialization in the field due to the division of labor.

>>2808092
I have much to say about this, but it is completely pointless trying to express it over the internet.
Its best to wait and observe, write up to date analysis of production and the economic relations of this time.