>people on the first world unionize for better wages and labour conditions
>companies flee to the third world for more profit
>people on the third world unionize for better wages and labour conditions
>companies flee to ???
why hasn't this happened yet? it seems like the easiest way to revolution
>>2808692>>companies flee to the third world for more profitBecause there is no more third world (colonies) to flee to. It's all one marketplace baby, and the 1/5 of the world enjoys far more of the wealth that 4/5. It's the countryside-city dilemma on a global scale, only global communism can fix this. The Luxemburgian understanding of imperialism is wholly incorrect. + stop using the pedophile frog
>>2808692>>people on the third world unionize for better wages and labour conditionsThen they get shot
>>2808692It's because China hasn't built up it's forces of production to it's full potential and the corporations in other third world countries are foreign and funnel wealth back to the imperial core rather than redistribute it into local development.
>>2808707Africa seems to have alot of uptapped potential.
Isn't this the thrust of thirdworldism?
>>2808729>SagedHoly based, the Islamists WILL be reeducated
>>2808738blackwater fought on the side of Islamists in Iraq, UAE and most of Africa, akhi.
Thank you for supporting brother prince in his Jihad against third world proles
>>2808711so mao is right?
>companies flee to ???
To other third-world countries. Chinese companies are delocalizing assembly plants in Vietnam because it's cheaper there. Once South-Eastern Asia and South Asia will have higher wages, it will be the turn of Africa.
>>2808770so just keep unionizing on the other third world countries
>>2808692You don't need to wait for workers to fight for their wages in other countries; just use state capitalism to encourage occupations, nationalizations, cooperatives, and bankrupt other private companies so that state-owned enterprises can compete against them with cheap consumer goods. A national bank with its own currency, 100% state-owned but not independent, should provide cheap credit to the masses. Tools, seeds, and technologies should be developed as public property, and you won't have deindustrialization problems. All private banks should be suppressed and forced to extinction. Don't forget to abolish any law related to fiscal responsibility so that the government can spend as much as it wants, thus ending arguments demanding austerity from financial market speculators. Workers' wages can be controlled to avoid being affected by inflation with a popular workers' statistics council without apolitical economists or financial market speculators, so that these wages are linked to the price of food and consumer needs. The right to a guarantee of public employment will put an end to arguments of reactionary ignorance anyway, among other measures, if you read the programs for bourgeois elections that Marx and Engels wrote in "Communist Manifesto in Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists", "The Principles of Communism", "Demands of the Communist Party in Germany" and "The Program of the Parti Ouvrier".
Guys why don't proles like all organzie of somtg
Why don't 7 billion prole elect John Communism so we achieve utopia?
>>2808777That is precisely what happens yes, it just takes 60+ years each time for the means of production to catch up in the new countries to allow for it
>>2808811This is not social democracy, because these radical reform measures intensify the class struggle and bring bourgeois democracy closer to collapse. This prepares the conditions for revolution in a revolutionary situation and for the formation of dual power in popular councils and for forming the workers' militia, which will eventually lead to the overthrow of the bourgeois state and the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat to abolish private property, abolish social classes, and abolish social classes.
If you want, I can get you the four links with texts to read:
From the Communist Manifesto in Chapter II. Proletarians and Communists:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htmFrom The Principles of Communism:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htmIn "Demands of the Communist Party in Germany":
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/03/24.htmIn "The Program of the Parti Ouvrier":
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/05/parti-ouvrier.htmAnd the text of a program by the Bolsheviks by Lenin in "Materials Relating to the Revision of the Party Programme," in chapter four, called "Draft of Revised Programme." :
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/reviprog/ch04.htmIf you read it, you will get an idea of how much can be done to spread propaganda and give the masses a vision of the path to follow.
>>2808692The third world tried to do socialism, communism, or at the very least modest social democratic reforms and trade unionism all throughout the 20th century, but the imperial core bourgeoisie used the strategy of sanctions, embargoes, coups, invasions, loan sharking, etc. to reset conditions of exploitation. I suggest Killing Hope by William Blum, Washington Bullets by Vijay Prashad, or The Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins, for more info.
>>2808874just tolerate the embargo then
>>2808917this is the fight then, what is going on right now is the fight.
>people on the first world unionize for better wages and labour conditions
>people on the third world unionize for better wages and labour conditions
Both of these don't happen to a meaningful extent to threaten capitalism.
>>2809015
Africa had subtenance farming thousands of years before Europe did
Trade unionism is growing in places like Ethiopia, Rwanda, Nigeria, which are also experiencing rapid economic growth.
https://jacobin.com/2026/04/ethiopia-trade-unions-cetu-laborI guess internet leftoids don't want to acknowledge that, either because they are ignorant or they prefer to live in a doomerist fantasy land.
>>2808996You should know unionism can't ever destroy capitalism, unionism can't replace class struggle.
>>2809018did you mean to say subsistence farming?
>>2809202>unionism [alone] can't ever destroy capitalism, true
>unionism can't replace class struggle.and it's part of the class struggle
>>2809827>subtenance Probably, but he used that word, so I copied him to mock him.
>>2808692Companies will flee to AI. No human in the loop is needed.
>>2808707>Luxemburgian understanding of imperialism is wholly incorrectIt's not Luxemburg that promulgates that, but Stalin and his "socialism in one country" and Third-Worldists and their "labor aristocracy" BS
>>2810833Was Nick Land right in the end about Capital going full automatized and kick out humans from the loop?
This all makes sense until the imperial hegemony has to suddenly "liberate" said third-world country from anticapitalist autocrats.
>>2810833>No human in the loop is needed.hit me up when an AI can change a diaper or clean a toilet
>>2812926yes
>>2810833automation, outsourcing, immigrants, destruction of the productive forces, imperialist war…. all have a hard ceiling: which is the subsistence of the average person. eventually the reserve army of labor will be stretched beyond its limits, and the bourgeoisie will have to choose: kill off most people, or give UBI to subsidize consumption. They will have to choose the latter, because the former will leave them with no market, and more productive forces than they need to satisfy themselves. They will create the Wall-E people who exist just to consume, and maybe occasionally be harvested for organs and stem cells.
>be dirtbag economist
>believe this is a revolutionary stance
>>2813024I don't understand your point, of course the revolution can't be achieved by only economic means like unionizing, but you can't just chimp out and start killing people, there needs to be a material basis on which to start the fight, and global unionization seems like a good start to push history foward.
>>2813025>people on the first world unionize for better wages and labour conditionsthis is economism.
why must a labour union only concern itself with the economic wellbeing of it's members when injustices and tyranny exist outside itself?
Why be content with paying dues to a union that will barely fight for your own rights when the gestapo are disappearing your neighbors?
>>2813026>Why be content with paying dues to a union that will barely fight for your own rights when the gestapo are disappearing your neighbors?Because you are paying the union specifically to fight for your own rights?
Why the fuck would you be content to pay a union to do one thing but it does something else instead lol.
If it fought for your rights AND against other injustices that's all well and good, but if it comes to the point where it fights for injustices at the expense of maintaining/enhancing your rights then it ceases to be a labour union
>>2829020all unions should provide militant arms and martial arts classes.
>>2829020>but if it comes to the point where it fights for injustices at the expense of maintaining/enhancing your rights then it ceases to be a labour unionThis can be how you end up with a labour aristocracy though. For example, it was common in the past for dockworkers to show solidarity with people in colonial or fascist countries by refusing to load or upload goods bound for or coming from those countries. To take a comteporary hypothetical, if a dockworker's union and management are in negotiations, and management offers a contract that includes large wage and benefit increases in exchange for a pledge not to boycott military shipments to Israel, should the union take the deal?
>>2829034>should the union take the deal?You're describing the economist issue. Syndicate action has to be made political, otherwise it is just economism. But it is hard to repoliticize syndicates.
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