/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2810075
>so why not vote for something that proposes necessary measures?
you can vote all you want but they wont deliver, the conditions that made the socdem cuck out possible in the past dont exist anymore
but when these "socdems" fail to deliver then the masses will associate those shortcomings with "socialism" and reactionaries will win more support
anyways electoral politics are fake and gay, you might as well watch big brother instead of paying any attention to them at this point

Not your blog.

>>2810094
I live in a country where absolutely everything is being privatized even though our ruling political party calls itself "socialist" and the reactionaries are getting stronger

>>2810075
>Plus, the ONLY big Marxist-Leninist political party in my country is literally a bunch of literal nazis
I smell radlib, but in general if I take your word for it then it's fine beggars can't be choosers and voting socdem is fine if no better option represents itself. Just not let voting be the only thing you do, organize.

>>2810111
>our ruling political party calls itself "socialist"
and the "socdems" you want to vote for are like a newer generation of leftists or something like that?
I'm not trying to be an annoying doomer but this same process happened where I live, they will end up just like the ones in office now, its inevitable

Based

Nihilism is just liberalism but edgy

>>2810122
judge for yourself.

context: it's Frente Obrero, in Spanish Worker's Front, an infamous ML political, their discourse is pretty much indistinguishable from Falange

>>2810150
that anon's still gonna call you a radlib because he is a tailist and for him it's based when le workers party tails the most reactionary, bigoted, uneducated, racist, and most importantly classcucked section of the working class who lick the toes of petty bourgeois reactionaries

>>2810075
i think your right. its not becasue i even think that socdems will do any of these reforsm.
when the palestinians had to sign a ceasefire with israel. the negotiators knew full well they were going to lie and break it. but the ddifference between signing a phony ceasfire was 150 dead bodies a day and 30 dead bodies.

My advice: organize, start from scratch, find the least worst organization, find the people that is also there because it's the least worst. Youre not the only guy in Spain that knows frente obrero, the communist party, the various nationalism, podemos, izquierda unida and all of that are bullshit. Youre not the only one I can guarantee. So find others and maybe in some years you can be the change.

>>2810150
On top of that they're also apparently Hoxhaists who think the only legitimate socialist states to ever exist were the Soviet Union until Khruschev and Albania

>>2810181
Yep, they also hate China and are Zionists

>>2810181
>>2810184
They absolutely are some sort of psyop. The Vaquero guy was jailed because he went to rojava to fight for the PKK or something like that. He probably "changed" inside jail, or maybe even before that, and created this ridiculous chimera of a movement. It wouldnt surprise me to find some shady connection following the money, but I i wont loose time on that

>>2810094
>you can vote all you want but they wont deliver
I'm so tired of Americans acting like social democracy doesn't work when there's a ton of countries where it has for decades.

I'd rather vote to have less of my money taxed if we're doing bourgeois politics

>>2810075
>Such as regulating the housing market, building more housing, improving the public sector and public transportation, and reindustrializing.

no socdem is doing anything like that since 30years

also most of those are retarded and/or useless

>>2810122
>I smell radlib
/r/stupidpol bugmen: "I love Thomas Jefferson and hate black people'

>>2810361
The problem with stupidpolfags is if their socon-welfare politics were this popular youd think they would win bigly all over the west instead being geriatric clubs that barely get 3% of the votes on a good day.
Socialism but…. LE BASED??? only work in North Korea and it never really existed in any white country. The "based conservative" USSR was not more conservative than the capitalist west during it's existence.
That's why conservative socialist in the west are either litteral basket cases or just poorfags who want to have free shit without seeing gay shit which is a reasonable instinct but not something that is noble and worth fighting for it's the morbid materialistic worldview of a diabetic boomer or an islamic diasporoid.
"Conservative" communists of the past had bigger plans that getting welfare and bashing fags even when they did both these things.

>>2810181
>>2810150
In a video he also said that the pettybourgeois/autonoms are welcomed in Frente Obrero (Labourer Front) kek, while in another video he had said that they define Labourer as proletarian lol
Also, how close they are to the police
But iirc Frente Obrero does not advertise itself as ML, only one party inside it (I think they are multiple parties?)

>>2810370
no the thing is it does work, but only in very rural regions in specific countries, left-conservatism never actually achieves much of anything because it's either just social democracy, a rural movement, or some other nonsense

why not just vote demsoc lol

>>2810394
typically in most countries demsocs are weak, i think in spain though (op's country) there might be a shot, but long live the PSOE!!!!

>>2810181
that's only the tip of the iceberg, there's a 300 pages long document written by ex members talking about all the shit going on, there were cases of abuse to people who wanted to leave the organization. They also groomed teenagers to go fight ISIS in Syria.

Literally all they talk about is immigration, the woke left and feminism.

>>2810094
fpbp do whatever you want in elections losing your mind over is like losing it over what capitalist product you will consume at the end of the day neither the wrong nor the "correct" choice change much of anything
>>2810270
you will be swallowed by neoliberalism and fascism soon enough too do enjoy the fruits of 3rd world imperialism while you can thou

>>2810177
yeah this and also forget about all that faggy nihilism even if the revolution is truly impossible going down fighting is still the better option

>>2810184
>>2810197
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>>2810402
Oh so it's like a less fun and grimdark version of the ACP then

>>2810722
Kinda, but if you look at Falange (spanish fascist party) they look almost the same and talk about the same things. Difference is even Falange supports Palestine when FO doesn't. FO doesn't have any connections with any other political party from other countries since according to them everyone who is not a Hoxhaist is a revisionist