/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2812801
But they do have a mayor in New York!

They’re the most popular National Socialist organization in the USA by a good margin so no

>>2812799
>If a civil war were to break out in the US, as we all expect from the outside, I believe it would be the only competent leftist organization that could fight.
Yeah they would fight, on the side of the bourgeois as to prevent a civil war from turning into a class war

The DSA functions like a de facto regional political party. There's a handful of places like New York where they are a political force, but to your average American the DSA's 5 guys who meet up at a library every few weeks & hold May Day rallies.

It's very hard to speak about them on the aggregate because the DSA is, by design, very decentralized. In some places they are cool as hell. In others they are woke liberals. It varies wildly

They're still very new, since modern DSA didn't exist at all before 2016 and has experienced rapid changes in 2016, 2019, and 2025. They're still going through growing pains, so we'll have to wait and see. Most of the leadership that I know, though, are either NGO cuck reformists or some form of Marxist, but the national leadership is mostly the latter now.

>>2812799
They're in no condition to fight anybody honestly but the DSA actually plays a role in American politics which automatically makes them different from most groups with the word "socialist" in the name or who call themselves socialist. There are just more people in it than other left-wing groups who can actually put things together, and there are also politicians who use it as a springboard to run for public office, and have actually become quite popular that way.

>>2815728
>It's very hard to speak about them on the aggregate because the DSA is, by design, very decentralized.
This is also very important. It's more like a confederation of local chapters, the national leadership really doesn't matter.

Also when I say it actually plays a role in American politics, I mean that descriptively, not that the DSA is leading Americans towards the dictatorship of the proletariat achieved in direct struggle with the state or whatever. There are critics from the left who argue the way it does politics might actually prevent that. But the counterargument to that is there's nobody serious who is leading Americans towards that anyways and there are very strong structural conditions that punish alternatives so the DSA isn't behaving irrationally or merely opportunistically when it runs candidates on the Democratic ballot line. They have probably trained way more activists than all other socialist groups put together multiple times over.

Also there are people in the DSA who want to break from the Democrats altogether and form a distinct party. This is difficult to do because of the nature of the American system, but I think Americans should think about what goes on in the Western Hemisphere. Morena in Mexico was actually a national movement before it moved into a party formation led by AMLO who was the popular mayor of Mexico City, and then they just took over the country when they saw that they could win a presidential election. More likely than not you will see Mamdani run for higher office as a Democrat, but I'm just saying, in these circumstances today you need to have some kind of structure to win elections, not just what Karl Marx and Lenin said. That can turn into pure ideology which can become an obstacle.

You know Houdini? He's a leftypol poster that's facing the possibility of going to jail. But that's not going to wake anybody up or convince anybody. A lot of people have gone to jail in some way related to their politics and have had no effect. What do you have to tell the worker who loses his job trying to get a better wage? That he has to sacrifice himself and build a party because capitalism is wrong? That guy doesn't give a damn about the differences between left-wing sects. You don't have to quote Das Kapital at them. You can believe in that because you're a socialist and that's how you're educated but you have to build a movement, and chapters of any movement needs autonomy at the ground level otherwise they're not going to be able to reach their communities.

>>2815819
Morena is pretty interesting to me because it seems like it kinda picked up the old more loudly suc dem national developmentalist branding that the PRI abandoned after Cárdenas. Although I do wonder what it would take for the burger unions to actually withdraw from the burger party system as it stands, given how much union involvement in politics centers on the AFL-CIA and Team$$ter$

>>2815819
I think it's probably best to understand that the way our political system is built heavily incentivizes two and only two parties. 3rd party candidates often cannot even get on the ballot so people can vote for them. That's why despite both parties being unpopular there aren't real alternatives and why DSA has a bizarre "let's grow within a party so that we can usurp and destroy that party" plan. Will it work? Probably not, but it's been 250 years, and 3rd parties are less effective than ever.

DSA is too big tent to say they would all organize into a unified militant force and how a civil war actually develops and which foreign powers get involved probably changes things.

>>2815810
>>2812799
The DSA does have a large anti-Democrat even revolutionary faction though the party is controlled by socdem democrats that are ruining the org. I personally think the left-DSA should split and United with greens psl, etc… to form a United front and eventual fight in the civil war by the 2040s/50s and win.

>>2812807
All national socialism is democratic socialism, bit not all democratic socialism is national socialism.