Tankies will call it fake news, despite its genetic tested by Russians.
“Le CIA propaganda” schizophrenic tinfoil hat won’t work on this.
And I wonder why he didn’t purge Beria lol
Moralism
If Stalin is allowed to do this then I should also be allowed to marry a 14 year old.
>>2813199"Known"
There's not a shred of evidence for this that doesn't come from khruschev
>>2813206welcome to leftypol grover furr
>>2813208
Or at the very least relying exclusively on the ideological integrity of a small, very powerful executive is a really stupid way to protect a revolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidiya_Perepryginahttps://web.archive.org/web/20160511164440/http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/n0635-siberian-pensioner-is-grandson-of-josef-stalin-dna-test-reveals/Smells like bullshit. I mean the source for the dna test is one article by a now dead news outlet that was founded in 2012, which seems to be a circuit for western agitprop outlets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Siberian_TimesQuote: "Other Siberian Times stories have been picked up by Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty,[6] The Daily Telegraph,[7] The Independent[8] and Business Insider."
And the original rumors come from a letter to Khruschev:
https://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/istoriya/the-real-story-of-nonmarital-son-of-stalin/Not to mention the claimed dna was supposedly carried out by a dude who very obviously hated his father (even changing his last name):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_BurdonskyWhat makes me most suspicious is how little agitprop is made out of this. Liberals would be kicking a far greater fuss in official press if the evidence was solid. But all I see on russian youtube us mention by Eidelman and couple other slopish channels.
Not to mention earlier Khruschev & co. should have jumped all over this and carried out a huge investigation. But they drop it when the woman was even alive at the time.
>>2813430Im a simple man, if Radio Free X reports something I assume the opposite is true.
I have literally never been wrong.
>>2813175>It was normal at the time.No it wasn’t.
Yeah maybe a 30 something doing it with a 16, 17, or 18 year old would have been but not a 13 year old.
>>2813435>>2813430https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Siberian_TimesMashable once described The Siberian Times's reporting as "allegedly real with a bit of hyperbole/Siberian fan fiction thrown in — just as it should be".[1] Meduza found that the site was run by an individual named Will Stewart who employed freelancers to rewrite tabloid stories from Russian media outlets.[3
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/10/23/bullshitting-russia >>2813166when it comes to history it really doesnt matter whether a person is good or not, it only matters what they achived, get me? i dont even really like stalin but, i can understand that without him the soviet union wouldnt have been able to even defeat germany. its like genghis khan he was a horrible person but is still loved by mongolians today because what he did, stalin was piece of shit, sure but with out him the ussr would have never even have stood a chance against the west
>>2813446Honestly I don't think this is even at that level. Its one of those fabrications based on rumors or sensationalism like "Stalin was poisoned."
The fact Khrushchev didn't investigate this, that anti-communist academic western historians & even their yellow press hasn't really picked this up seriously suggests its far too blatantly false.
They have already overplayed their hands in other ways,and their reputation & influence is waning, so blowing rumors or claims by a known marketeering, sensationalist, falsehood & slop merchant is probably not in their interest.
>>2813166>fake news are called out as fake newsshocking
>its not cia propaganda if I say it isntlmao
kys
A lie made about Stalin by an actual Epsteinite, think about it chat.
>>2813430Yeah, it's like how random people claim to be illegitimate children of royalty for clout
wow, big if true, and highly relevant and important right now. it proves that communism is LE BAD and we should do capitalism forever
>nobody is saying that or implying that!
oh i'm sorry. carry on. but do explain how this is relevant
>>2813489
Being apolitical is the peak of cynical opportunism
>>2813486>do explain how this is relevant(he can't)
I am so glad i’m a council communist
>>2813494I am not defending pedophilia, you degenerate idiot.
I am questioning the validity of the source of the claims.
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Aside, for other people, it seems very strange that our resident degenerate idiot just dug up another obscure russian blog source, that is still citing the same Khrushchev era reports by Serov.
This material though is too good an opportunity for attack. That Khrushchev didn't go for further investigation & western anti-communist academics as well as their yellow have not blasted this majorly makes suspect its on far too flimsy a ground. Better it is kept as relatively unsubstantiated rumors.
>>2813540> Defends a pedophile> Calls someone a degenerate.
> muh KhrushchevRead the fucking article:
<1. According to the testimony of Stalin's wife's older sister, Nadezhda Alliluyeva, in 1917, Stalin told them that while in exile in Kureyka, he fell in love with a young woman, and they had a child. It should be noted that Stalin began living with Nadezhda Alliluyeva when she was only 15 years old. Thus, in his relationship with his future wife, the 37-year-old future "leader of the people" behaved similarly to the criminal case in Kureyka with the underage Perelygina.
<Stalin moved into Nadezhda Alliluyeva's room in August 1917, when he sent Lenin to Razliv. At the same time, Nadezhda Alliluyeva's sister moved to another apartment, her mother left the family, and her father, according to his own recollections, began working very late at work and even frequently spending the night there. Thus, Stalin's behavior in Serov's report is by no means exceptional. Stalin acted like this more than once.
<2. KGB Chairman Serov was himself a protégé of Stalin. He held the post of Deputy People's Commissar for Internal Affairs from 1941. He was indebted to Khrushchev for his career. According to Khrushchev's son, Sergei, Serov only met his father casually after the war. They only became somewhat closer after Beria's arrest. Therefore, Serov's deliberate slander against Stalin is unlikely. Sometimes slander is used to advance one's career. However, Serov had nowhere to go; he already headed the KGB.
<3. The first page of Serov's report bears the signatures of all the Politburo members. All of them had read it. The signatures of Bulganin, Voroshilov, Malenkov, Kaganovich, Mikoyan, Molotov, and Khrushchev are clearly visible. Not one of them considered the report slanderous, no one protested, no one made a single note or comment. No one refused to sign. The report didn't provoke any outrage, even though all those listening to it were longtime associates of the "leader of the people." This alone allows us to conclude that the facts presented are true. Or, at the very least, that all Politburo members took the materials quite seriously. It's also worth noting that Khrushchev's signature is the last of the permanent members of the Politburo. Therefore, it can't be said that Nikita Sergeyevich forced everyone else to sign the report. Everyone signed before Khrushchev.
<4. At the bottom of the first page of the document is the note "For the archives of the Presidium of the Central Committee. To Molotov, 18.VII.56." This means that the report was ultimately taken seriously by the entire Politburo. Not only all the Politburo members individually, but the entire Politburo as a single body did not reject this testimony. Molotov himself, Stalin's closest deputy and the second-highest ranking official in the Soviet Union, carefully sent the report on the leader's pedophilia for posterity. The date, July 18, 1956, is also telling. Approximately a month and a half had passed since the report was signed. This means the document didn't slip by unnoticed. It was pondered and pondered for a month and a half. And this lengthy discussion was carefully preserved in the archives.
<5. The evidence of Stalin's crimes presented in the report was obtained from two sources: the victim Perelygina and the investigator Laletin. Moreover, these are two completely independent testimonies. Perelygina testified in 1956, and the criminal case file was available in the police archives. Stalin admitted his guilt and promised to marry the girl he had corrupted. Stalin failed to fulfill this promise, leaving for revolutionary Petrograd in February 1917.
<6. Serov's report is the result of a major KGB investigation. Since the report was prepared by the Politburo, it had to pass through the hands of several KGB officials, including the most senior and influential ones. Serov's inner circle, the head of the Krasnoyarsk Krai KGB Directorate, where the investigation was conducted, and the most senior investigators in Krasnoyarsk Krai—all of them had to weigh the pros and cons before sending the text to the Politburo. However, there is no evidence that the report's authors had any doubts about Stalin's pedophilia theory. There are no mitigating clauses. Everything is certain.
<All these facts allow us to conclude that KGB Chairman Serov's report is truthful. >>2813596Oh for fuck sake I am not defending pedophilia. Nor I am any sexual buse actions that anyone in the USSR have committed, including if Stalin himself did so. I do not think sleeping with a 16 year old is justifiable at all if one is over the age of 19, irrespective of whether it was legal or accepted at the time.
I am saying all of the evidence is weak heresay. I even read the auto-translate.
- Just because a report is made, does not mean its true.
- Just people sign a report does not mean it is true.
- Just because people claimed they have heard a similar story does not make it true.
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Again, for everyone else, it seems very bizarre that this agitprop isn't being blasted everywhere and only appears in pretty obscure russian publications, along with eidelman.
There is not even serious counters or apologia on the other side either.
Its too quiet & too convient. The only thing I found was a post on obscure russian we site about the dna test, though the translation is bizarre. It claims this was done over a tv program and Yuri Zhukov was present, but I have not been able to find such a program or check to see the dna testing.
>>2813658Just to add. This only thing I could actually find vis-a-vis the dna test. Its another tabloid type russian website unfortunately.
https://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/istoriya/vnuk-stalina-yuriy-davydov-rodstvo-prakticheski-dokazano/There are a lot of claims here, and unfortunately the biggest piece of evidence posted is a grainy photo of the dna test, which was done by genetic testing company that no longer exists (went bankrupt in 2018).
I wish we had the actual claimed taped program, but I couldn't find it.
>>2813658I want to add something about age of consent in general here too:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Socialism_101/comments/13nv7pu/age_of_consent_ussr/To my mind it is in fact unacceptable that the early USSR was far too lenient & permissive with its criminal code on this topic, if the above claims are true.
In my own view there has to very strict standards where 14 & under is illegal & there is only 3 year allowed gap for 15 to 17. Punishment otherwise is is death for prepubescent or under 14 & minimum 15 years hard labour for 14-17, with maximum also being execution.
>>2813658> Direct denial of facts that discredit your political agendaImagine if someone told Trump's presence in Epstein's files didn't make him a pedophile. The entire leftypol would get butthurt.
>>2813528(he still can't)
>>2813525lmfao he deleted it
>>2813486>>2813528>>2813972By that logic, how does Trump's presence in Epstein's files prove that he, or capitalism, is bad?
>>2813166What the fuck? I literally hate communism and anyone who supports it now. Fuck Lenin. Fuck Stalin. Fuck Marx. Fuck Trotsky. Fuck the CCP. Fuck Cuba. And most importantly fuck leftypol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>2813982it doesn't, that was anon's whole point
>>2813756>>2813658Why are you obsessed with the magic age line? What exactly makes the USSR’s age of consent at puberty wrong anyway?
I mean, I’m sick and tired of fellow leftists engaging in popular bourgeois moralism in this topic when most Soviets at the time were simply stripping law from moralistic BS. Why should age gap sex/love/dating be any exception to materialist analysis just because you want a convenient smear to ascribe to your opponents?
>>2814003>Epsteinite enters the thread to defend his kid fetishyou're going to be shot when the revolution happens
>>2814005>Muh EpsteinFind a better talking point moron, >90% of Epstein “facts” are just myths based on hearsay. Read:
https://www.mtracey.net/p/the-insane-multitude-of-misconceptions
>Muh kid fetishLearn the difference bigot:
https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/ChronophiliaAnd besides, what’s wrong with minor attraction anyway? Seems like it’s rooted in shitlib moralisms tbh
>Muh revolution will kill you cuz I’m so kewlWill never happen. Cope and seethe bigot
>>2814008You're going to die Epsteinite. Communism will protect all children from pedophiles. Capitalism = haven for pedos. Communism = pedos get the death penalty.
>>2814022Not really, since the USSR had an AoC set at puberty, the PRC has is set at 14, Cuba at 12, and Russia today is one of the only two European countries (alongside Belarus) where simple possession of kiddie pr0n is legal.
In contrast, the “Epsteinite” Globalist American Empire (GAE) of which the UN, Amerikkka and the EU are part of is the only global power forcing other countries to arrest its citizens for pixels and raise its arbitrary and subjective magic age lines I order to push bourgeois moralism of the kind you’re so fond of onto the world.
You’ve got shit backwards you dumb uyghur
>>2813969>Imagine if someone told Trump's presence in Epstein's files didn't make him a pedophile. The entire leftypol would get butthurt.Isn't it funny that the anti-communists use here the kgb as a source lol. And the source in general is sketchy as heck, especially the claimed dna evidence.
>>2813446Even this is fake. Stalin was a terrible military strategist. His actions caused the excess deaths of hundreds of thousands of Soviet people.
>>2813658>16 year old is justifiable at all if one is over the age of 19, this is literally legal in my country and i personally see nothing wrong with it, whats with burgers and their ickiness over the age consent, do you guys genuinely think everybody waits till theyre over the magical line of 18 to have sex? i think its just the porn mentality. pussy moralist faggots
>>2814083>Isn't it funny that the anti-communists use here the kgb as a source lol.And? Leftists are using documents edited and published by the US government as evidence that Trump is a pedophile and blowed Bubba.
>And the source in general is sketchy as heckCope harder, pedo
Sex below the age of 30 should be illegal
>>2814097>And? Leftists are using documents edited and published by the US government as evidence that Trump is a pedophile and blowed BubbaObvs not the same, the scale of evidence pales in comparison, the fact that you latch onto one piece of "evidence" from the supposed kgb and dna "evidence" released by a sensationalist tabloid tells me more about you than it does about stalin
>cope harder pedoyou dont even know what that means you retarded fag
>>2814133That's he's the goat
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