Russia's SMO is completely and totally justified
>NATO plans to balkanize Russia, hence why they refused to accept Russia's overtures to the West. They don't want Russia integrated into the West, they want to exploit it
>Russia must do whatever it takes to prevent eastward NATO expansion in order to protect itself from balkanization
>Ukraine is a Nazi country that commits genocide against its Russian minorities and Russia needed to save them
>Russia played nice for many years while NATO funneled weapons into Ukraine to prepare for an eventual invasion of the Donbas
>NATO also intended to funnel weapons to extremist Nazis in Russia through Uktaine in order to overthrow the government
>Euromaidan was a coup backed by the West and executed by Nazis, which is why Poroshenko immediately took out IMF loans and let the West exploit the country as much as it wanted
>The West started the conflict with Euromaidan by turning Ukraine from a neutral buffer state into a nation aligned with the West, thereby beginning the power struggle
>The consequences of not doing the SMO vastly outweight the deaths that have resulted from the fighting, which Ukraine started anyway
>Russia wants to protect Ukraine and protect itself, the West wants to turn it into a colony to be exploited
>The SMO is to protect Russia, protect Ukraine and protect the victims of NATO imperialism around the world by weakening the West
>>2814219>>NATO plans to balkanize Russiastopped reading right there
from western pov one russia is easier to deal with than a dozen small russias hence all the lifelines russia's been getting over the last hundred years
>>2814238Yeah this is why it wasn't a big deal at all for the Great Powers that a ton of German states became one German state in 1871. 1 German state was easier to deal with!
>NATO plans to balkanize Russia
Those plans relied on Russia getting caught up in constant wars around their borders so all Russia had to do was not be retarded and not take the bait and avoid going to war.
>>2814252Nicaragua is surrounded. Cuba is surrounded. Vietnam is surrounded. China is surrounded. Belarus is surrounded. None of these countries invade others for pointless reasons or to carve out a sphere of influence. China doesn't even care enough to invade Taiwan and Taiwan is a holdover from their civil war era. Russians are just fucking stupid they can't just sit still and stop attacking others. All America and Europe do is funnel money to their military industrial complex. They WANT war to happen. They WANT you to fight them so they can rape you to death with all their latest gear. The only way to win is to avoid fighting.
>>2814254So what, you want the Ukrainian fascists to win just because Russia took the bait?
>>2814266I want Belarus to take over both countries because both the Russian government and the Ukrainian government have proven themselves to be incompetent nationalist retards incapable of forging a better future for their people and Lukashenko is 100x better than anyone in either the Russian or Ukrainian government because he will not waste hundreds of thousands of Russian or Ukrainian lives in pointless wars.
>>2814266so you want Russian nazis to win because you hate NATO?
Why do 90% of communists do nothing but simp for the capitalist class of non-western countries?
>>2814219NATO doesn't want to balkanize Russia, the US feared a democratic Russia in Europe because the resulting entity could be a rival superpower. They want a strong but dysfunctional Russia to scare Europe into remaining a US vassal.
Both sides of your pet conflict are just
everything going to plan. Reality is always bleaker for you than you think.
>>2814290You people always have the most edgy turn of phrase, it’s very cringe.
>>2814290> a democratic Russiawhen's that ever happened? half a year in 1917? there is nothing to fear.
>>2814219Russia is an imperalist colonialist state, 80% of its land is stolen colonized land, breaking up Russia in pieces and giving back the land they stole back to natives is justified
>we wuz fighting nato and shieeet
<scares 2 of its northern neighbors into joining nato
<provides perfect pretext for european militarism, political and economic conditions for workers across the globe get worse as countries prepare for war
<desperately trying to restore trade and diplomatic relations with amerikkka and europe
<hundreds of thousands dead for 2 shithole oblasts
<russia's billionaires get richer, united states billionaires get richer
but russia was heckin' oppressed so this is all good and justified, they were like provoked maaaan, ukraine shouldn't have showed so much skin
One day I checked twitter and all Ukrainians were Nazis. Kinda interesting.
>>2814353me at the bottom
>>2814374Average uyghur behaviour
>>2814353I support war and unlimited aggression on the US and its proxies
>>2814254>China doesn't even care enough to invade Taiwan and Taiwan is a holdover from their civil war eraBecause Taiwan formally isn't in an alliance. China would absolutely invade if US or especially Japanese military personnel start setting up shop in Taiwan
>>2814238thats the dumbest fucking post I've read in a long while, what an incredibly moronic statement
>>2814281Russian nazis are pro nato
>>2814286Why do 10% of "communists" do nothing but simp for the capitalist class of western countries
>>2814426
Correct, first step for the working class to regain their strength is destroying the global mono-empire
>>2814424Russian nazis are inside the Kremlin
>>2814353It is good to annihilate western comprador nations.
>>2814450Eastern front of WW2
22 June 1941 – 8 May 1945
(3 years, 10 months, 2 weeks and 2 days)
Russian invasion of Ukraine
24 February 2022 – present
(4 years, 2 months and 3 weeks)
>>2814353>stealing landehm ok, based? also being anti-nato is quite a consistent position to have
>>2814455Kek 2 more weeks
>>2814452>fighting against Germany alone, with the aid of Britain and the United States took less time than fighting against Germany, Britain, the United States, and France all in alignment, all with a volunteer armyWOW
>>2814458fighting against Germany, Britain, the United States, and France all in alignment, all with a volunteer army
LMAO Is this how ziggers cope?
Tell me how many aircraft and tanks germany britain usa and france have and then tell me how many of those are in ukraine
>>2814219Notice how nobody has put up a good argument against this
>>2815301Ziggers are more nazi than Ukrainians and NATO is justified for denazifying and deputinizing Russia and saving regular Russians from their totalitarian genocidal fascist regime
>>2814219Russia cannot be attacked by NATO, you have 5500 nukes. The idea you are under existential threat and therefore HAVE to conquer your neighbours to keep them in your orbit is imperial propaganda.
See the thing is, NATOids, you are barking up the wrong tree. You are broadly correct when you opportunistically wield moralism and point to the backward barbarism happening outside your imperial garden. It is that bad, and much worse. But here is your mistake:
You think that keeping down the left, even the liberal left will let you win. It will very much not.
All these reactionaries are the ones you put in power. All these dogs of capital are the ones you armed to dismantle socialism. And they do not believe in your liberal bullshit any more than you did posting faux humanist screeches. They will send you to war, rape your family and sell your countries.
The 90s are coming back alright, but they are coming for you.
To assume benevolence in affairs between competing capitalist nations on either side is laughable. I don't care about inter-imperialist wars, and neither should you.
>>2817293>I don't care about inter-imperialist wars, and neither should you.I don't either that is why I support Russia in their anti-imperialist war.
>>2815363>denazifying and deputinizing Russia and saving regular Russians from their totalitarian genocidal fascist regimeWasn't NATO supposed to do this 20 years ago? What's taking them so long?
Imperialism is the most progressive form of capitalism. If two capitalist powers are fighting, it's best to support the side that is most capable of building the productive forces. This is why I support Russia and Israel. It's why the UK was the side support to in Falklands. Why China is to be supported on the Tibet and Xinjiang issue. IIt's why Engels supported US conquest of California from Mexico.
>>2817666>This is why I support Russia and Israel.i have a raising suspicion the actual reason might be your ancestry and you're just using the critique of capitalism as a talking point.
>>2817666>666 tripsNice try Satan but China isn't actually imperialist.
>>2814414Critical support for nazi germany and imperial japan.
>>2814254>Cuba is surrounded Yes, and constantly under embargo and under threat, such as now.
>Nicaragua is surrounded <What were the Contras >China It isn't surrounded. There are no nearby major states other than India, which isn't part of US alliances) that are aggressive to China, and few of them have any US nuclear forces deployed nearby, not enough to matter.
>Invade TaiwanAre you retarded or just pretending?
>the US feared a democratic Russia in Europe<democraticI can hear laughter from Yeltsin's grave.
>>2814268 Agreed.
>>2814503>>2814495 Tell me how I know you don't know what Imperialism is (or actual history), without telling me, glowie.
>>2817409>former colony<What is the Kievan RUS <What does Okraina mean<What is linguistic dialectOh boy, its the Russian liberal playbook!
>>2817748>The USA helped fund and create Nazi Germany and its war-machine<Imperial Japan only attacked the USA because the USSR pantsed its forces at Khalkin Gol so badly that they reconsidered their invasion plans. <Japan had no intention of invading the mainland USA, only in taking over its colonial territories for resources. <Literally an actual example of Inter-Imperialist conflict. >>2818470Either you are too dumb and don't know what imperalism means or you are just a zigger bot.
Adygea, Altai Republic, Bashkortostan, Buryatia, Chechnya, Chuvashia, Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Kalmykia, Karachay-Cherkessia, Karelia, Khakassia, Komi Republic, Mari El, Mordovia, North Ossetia–Alania, Sakha Republic, Tatarstan, Tuva, Udmurtia, Luhansk, Donets, Nenets , Khanty-Mansi Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Okrug, Chukotka are all Russian settler colonies but keep ignoring history and reality, zigger
>>2818609>settler colonies <feudal and pre-feudal states <imperialism (a form of capitalism)You don't know what settler colonies are either.
>ur dumbOkay liberast
<le me ignore centuries of Mongol rule and how half these 'countries' were basically mud villages or warlord territories interfighting with one another and simply united when they bent a knee to a stronger ruler until Russia was formed. <lemme ignore that the ethnic populations were neither displaced nor genocided or otherwise oppressed any more than the average Russian peasant (compared to how the USA completely annihilated Native Americans and their culture, or how Britain brutally repressed Indians, Muslims and Africans in their ACTUAL empire). <Only rusha bad becuz reddit told me so! Here's a copy-pasted list from Balkanization of Russia! (A list of regions that you'd be unable to even find on a map). <Lemme ignore the hundreds of invasions by Poles, Swedes, Balts too big for their britches, Germans, Mongols, Tatars etc. The one that doesn't know history is you. Take off your liberoid mask and just say you wish Germany won, you tiresome brat.
<z-ziggerYou're absolutely
ZEETHING you butthurt Nafoid.
PS
>North Ossetia<NorthHahaha you're showing your colors
>>2818470>There are no nearby major states other than India, which isn't part of US alliances) that are aggressive to Chinawhich country is aggressive towards russia and how
>>2818470><What is the Kievan RUS not even part of the same civilization
>>2819901Always found this image funny, they took a lot of liberties with the events referenced.
>1242>Battle on the IceThis one is fair enough, the Livonians had their ass handed to them by the Novgorodians. The Livonian order was ruled by Prussians but Novgorod as a precursor to Russia is a bit more unclear. Generally we'd consider the Grand Principality of Moscow to be the precursor to modern Russia and they actually conquered Novgorod… I give it a pass, though.
>1558>Siege of Dorpat in the Livonian War This one is kind of bullshit. It is true that the Russians conquered the Bishopric of Dorpat here, but does it really count when this was NOT the end of the war? The Livonian War did result in the dissolution of the Livonian order as a result of a Russian invasion, but Russia would ultimately lose the war. It started because Russia didn't want the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to take control of Livonia, and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Sweden and Denmark-Norway beat Russia and partitioned Livonia amongst themselves.
>1760>Raid on Berlin in the Seven Year's WarThis one is also sort of bullshit. Yes, it did result in an Austro-Russian occupation of Berlin and was a huge failure for the Prussians but the Seven Year's War was not a Russian victory. The Russians initially sided with the French and fought against the Prussians but then Elizabeth of Russia died and was replaced with her retarded chud Prussiaboo Nephew Peter III in January of 1762 causing Russia to switch sides to support Prussia even though they were at death's door. Then he was deposed by Catherine the Great and Russia exited the war. Not exactly a big Russian win.
>1916>Brusilov Offensive in World War IAgain, this one is a Russian victory in isolation but in a war where Russia undeniably lost. Particularly funny that the USSR would uphold this as a "Great Russian Victory" when the Bolsheviks saw the entire war as a waste of human life being fought for the interests of the bourgeoisie. Lenin did not celebrate the Brusilov Offensive. The namesake of the offensive Aleksei Brusilov would, however, ultimately side with the Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil War.
>1918>Presumably the Anti-Hetman UprisingThe Ukrainians beat the Germans here, not the Russians. The RSFSR would only take over Ukraine after the Germans had basically entirely left.
>World War IIThis one is not up for debate. The Soviet Union kicked Germany's ass. It was also the Soviet Union and not "Russia", so there's arguably a problem with this one too.
>>2819966You're missing the point. The point was that these were defeats of Prussian/Western invaders, which they were. Obviously there's more detail to it, but it's a propaganda poster, not a History essay.
>The Ukrainians beat the Germans hereSorry to burst your bubble but the Ukrainians prior to the delusional nationalization of the Banderites, have never been considered a separate ethnicity from Russians, especially considering the Kievan RUS. It's like saying that various Mongol tribes aren't actually Mongols because they had mildly different dialects and local customs.
>It was also the Soviet Union and not "Russia" See Stalin:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1945/05/24.htmAnd Kalashnikov
>"Но тут надо такую линию провести. Мы всегда под словом 'Русский' понимали всех… всех понимали: Тут были и Украинцы, тут были Узбеки, тут были и Казаки, Рус было как б олицетворение было всех вместе вот…" - Михаил Тимофеевич Калашников, 1993 >>2819909>which country is aggressive towards russiNATO countries, through expansion of territory and the placement of conventional and nuclear armed missiles nearby, creating a direct threat. Additionally socio-economic sabotage and the funding of neo-nazis and 5th column provocateurs by the CIA.
>not even part of the same civilization History says you're wrong.
>>2819924>durr it doesn't count as imperialism because the natives were living in mud villagesThere was no empire, it was various countries fighting, and when one country lost its territories fell under the control of the other. That isn't what imperialism is, or even colonialism, because colonialism would require displacement and colonization, which did not occur. majority of ethnicities in those territories remained the same and intermixed naturally, unlike the USA, where Native Americans were expunged.
>ruzzia <Pro Nato meme Yeah at this point you're just mask off.
>by that logic Britain wasn't imperalistic either Britain wasn't on the continent of Africa and wasn't being attacked by neighboring African states, you cretinous faggot. This was an empire going across the sea to take over a less developed country to exploit its resources including labour.
>>2821228>NATO countries, through expansion of territoryother than reunification of germany not a single nato member has territorialy expanded since 1991
>History says you're wrong.cope
>>2821228>It's ok for Ruzzians to genocide and colonize natives because they are on the same continent!!!You aren't even trying anymore zigger. You braindead retarded zigger keep justifying Ruzzia invading and genociding countries to expand its territory while at the same time you seethe and cry that countries willingly choose to join NATO.
Now keep seething and coping that the failing Ruzzian empire will collapse again like it did in 1991 and will lose even more of the colonies it stole
Imagine simping for a guy who helped destroy the USSR. Peak cuck behavior.
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