/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2816182
<refusing to come to terms with china being socialist
China isn't socialist.

>>2816188
>China isn’t even Chinese
what does this even mean. stop drinking.

China is Greek

>>2816192
>race spooks
that's not what Chinese means. Chinese just means in the borders of the PRC. Were you born before the Treaty of Westphalia?

>>2816192
That's not how intermingling populations work. Unless you abide to blood purity spook that just mean the average Han have ancestry from all thoses people in addition to the one they nominally descend from.

For the same claim to apply to Brits or Uzbeks, there should have been a period where the ancient chinese did significatively breed with them.

>>2816195
You're being stupid on purpose.

>>2816196
>>2816194
>>2816192
I think I read before that modern chinese people share remarkable amounts of genetic continuity with ancient chinese people
I also just asked deepseek right now and it pretty much said yes. Tho its ai so idk if i should trust it.

this is what deepseek said:

Yes, recent ancient DNA (aDNA) studies provide strong evidence that modern Chinese people, particularly the Han Chinese, share a remarkable degree of genetic continuity with ancient populations in the same regions.

This does not mean the genetic makeup has been frozen in time. Rather, it suggests a stable core ancestry that formed early and has persisted as the primary component, even amidst migrations and cultural interactions.

🧬 Evidence for Genetic Continuity Across China
Studies examining different historical periods and regions consistently point to a deep genetic connection between ancient and modern populations.

Continuity from the Warring States & Han Dynasty: Analysis of ancient genomes from Shandong (dating from the Warring States period, Han Dynasty to Northern Dynasties) reveals a close genetic relationship with modern Han Chinese. This indicates long-term genetic stability in the region over the past two millennia.

Stability in the Lower Yangtze River Basin: Genetic profiles of individuals from the Song to Qing dynasties show a high degree of homogeneity, confirming enduring genetic continuity in this region across historical periods. Contemporary Han Chinese from this area can indeed be modeled as the direct genetic descendants of these historical populations.

Deep-Rooted Continuity in the Central Plains (Zhongyuan): This region, considered the cradle of Chinese civilization, shows remarkable genetic stability spanning 3,000 years.

Analysis of 38 ancient genomes from the Western Zhou to the Qing Dynasty (including the Ming and Qing periods) reveals no significant genetic structural changes, indicating an unbroken genetic lineage.

A finding confirmed a direct ancestral link: Qing Dynasty residents of the Central Plains are direct ancestors of modern Henan Han, and can also be modeled as direct descendants of Tang Dynasty Yellow River populations.

While a trace amount (~2%) of Western Eurasian genetic admixture was detected in samples from the Qing and Tang Dynasties, this likely originated from Silk Road interactions and has remained stable since, without any recent influx of new foreign genetic material.

Genetic Contribution of the Neolithic Yellow River Farmers: The genetic foundation of modern East Asian populations was largely established by Neolithic millet farmers in the Yellow River region.

Their genetic influence is widespread, contributing 57–92% of the ancestry in modern Han Chinese populations and 70–80% in modern Tibetan populations.

Populations in the Shandong Peninsula also share a close genetic affinity with these ancient northern East Asians (ANEA), further demonstrating long-term continuity.

Origins in the Neolithic Era: The primary genetic mixing that led to the emergence of the Han Chinese occurred early, likely during the Neolithic period, creating a foundational genetic template that has persisted. This template was largely formed by 9,500 years ago and is shared by present-day East Asians.

The evidence from ancient DNA research strongly supports the notion that modern Chinese populations, particularly the Han, are the direct genetic descendants of ancient populations in the same geographic areas. While not completely isolated, the core genetic structure has shown a clear signal of stability and continuity over thousands of years.

If you'd like to explore the genetic history of a specific region or ethnic group within China in more detail, feel free to ask.

The EU is copying China - https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/publications/industrial-accelerator-act_en

And China is opposing it - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3353867/sinking-ship-why-eu-and-china-could-be-heading-trade-war

Also right-wing parties in the West are copying Chinese immigration policies.

>>2816206
>that Marx quote

< It is true that a controversy now arises in the field of political economy. The one side (Lauderdale, Malthus, etc.) recommends luxury and execrates thrift. The other (Say, Ricardo, etc.) recommends thrift and execrates luxury. But the former admits that it wants luxury in order to produce labour (i.e., absolute thrift); and the latter admits that it recommends thrift in order to produce wealth (i.e., luxury). The Lauderdale-Malthus school has the romantic notion that avarice alone ought not to determine the consumption of the rich, and it contradicts its own laws in advancing extravagance as a direct means of enrichment. Against it, therefore, the other side very earnestly and circumstantially proves that I do not increase but reduce my possessions by being extravagant. The Say-Ricardo school is hypocritical in not admitting that it is precisely whim and caprice which determine production. It forgets the “refined needs”, it forgets that there would be no production without consumption; it forgets that as a result of competition production can only become more extensive and luxurious. It forgets that, according to its views, a thing’s value is determined by use, and that use is determined by fashion. It wishes to see only “useful things” produced, but it forgets that production of too many useful things produces too large a useless population. Both sides forget that extravagance and thrift, luxury and privation, wealth and poverty are equal.

Genocide all those who misquote Marx

TJND

Death to all Lassalleans

>>2816182
Caesar was left wing though?

>>2816206
China good bukharin bad and Stalin good this the truth

>>2816212
>copying immigration policy’s
They bastardize chinas multicultural nationalism as I remember seeing grilling shares his political views and he said “China is making everyone Han” which is ridiculous what China is actual doing is making Han ughyr Tibet etc… under the Chinese umbrella

>>2816282
explain how it is at all relevant to china

>>2816282
He was critiquing the fethisization of commodities China doesn’t do that

>>2816204
>etymological pedantry
most Americans don't even know who Amerigo Vespucci was.

>>2816219
how is that a misquote, it's quoting a different work. just because you are able to fight one marx quote with another doesn't mean anything.

>i want tacos today
<anon, tuesday
>i want pizza today
<anon, wednesday

WOW I WILL REFUTE THE TACOS QUOTE WITH THE PIZZA QUOTE

>>2816202
I like how the chinese isnt chinese poster never addressed this

>>2816218
>Erm, let's see you do better
Is not a particularly compelling argument. If you aren't interested in having a discussion, that's fine, but then I question why you've come to a platform that exists solely for discussion.

>>2816192
That is both wrong and stupid, this some of the dumbest propaganda copied from pol-shills. The closest thing real thing you can get to this is that China isn't 95% Han chinese, the 95 is split into about 5-6 ethnicities

>>2816924
Those ethnicities are also all Chinese

>>2816625
It’s actually very compelling because the CPC has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of extreme poverty and turned what was once a failed empire being pillaged by the west into the most powerful nation on earth. The greatest success of the western left by contrast was CHAZ and Joe Biden

>>2816625
>>2816625

You posted a low effort meme and got one back in return, if you want a discussion provide your own analysis. The meme is potent in highlighting the arrogance displayed by most critics of China

>>2816927
>The greatest success of the western left by contrast was CHAZ and Joe Biden
paris commune

>>2816972
also worth noting

>>2816993
Don't mix me up with these savages

>>2816927
>CPC has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of extreme poverty
deng did that by not particularly leftist policies
>pillaged by the west
and east
>into the most powerful nation on earth
nope
>>2816993
>western left

>>2817048
>>western left
Yes, the Sowjetunion was a Marxist (German) state

>>2817070
do you need me to show you where germany is on your map?

>>2817082
Germany, like all nations, is a convenient fiction

The nation exists as a shared history of culture, society, and traditions. If you took someone from modern japan and send them to the way ancient past, they will notice some simmilarities. The same applies to korea, china, and some other nations

>>2817048
the second internationale was the western left and the october revolution was the result of the decades of theory and experience it produced meeting a situation where it could be practiced

>>2817070

Russia, famously part of western europe.

>>2816182
Your image doesn't work because Curtis Yarvin, one of the preeminent American fascist theorists, a man with direct connections to JD Vance and Peter Thiel, has recently come to praise China as an example for fascists to emulate.

>>2816927
No, it's not compelling because it's nothing beyond a naked refusal to abide any form of criticism or analysis.

What factors, not only ideological but also material, lead to China's success? Considering differences in material conditions, does a 1 to 1 comparison between the ideological veracity of Western Marxism to Chinese Marxism make any sense to begin with? Beyond that, while we all know China is successful, is it actually Marxist in any meaningful way, or is it just an illiberal capitalist state? If China is indeed Marxist, is there anything it could be doing better than it already is? The answer to all these questions and more, according to geniuses like you is
>China is Marxist because it's successful. When's the last time you personally created an industrial powerhouse, hm?
It's an utterly braindead, bad faith way to avoid any and all criticism of your comfort country.

>>2816928
>>2816625 was my first point ITT. And
>most critics of China
Is such an obscenely large catagory that any attempt to generalize the attitudes of the people therein is laughable.

>>2816927
8 hour work day uyghur

magick is real, the definition of magick is to change reality in accordance with will, you can do that in many different ways, ceromonies, rituals, art, music, advertising, science


ill let alan moore explain it

>>2817297
Alan Moore is a retarded anarchist

>>2816927
>The greatest success of the western left by contrast was CHAZ
those settlers accomplished nothing but killing several black teens, just like their libertarian socialist Israeli counterparts at their woke DSA kibbutz who were segregated from their non-white slave caste to "protect their LGBT comrades from "fascist neo-nazi terrorists"

>>2817048
>Deng did that by not particularly leftist policies
Leftism is when you are like Mao (never had access to translations of Karl Marx's theories on economic development)

>>2817167
> is there anything it could be doing better than it already is?
>It's an utterly braindead, bad faith way to avoid any and all criticism of your comfort country.
the Chinese proletariat is learning science and materially improving the earth every day, but you'll never hear about any of this from "Marxists", because they're all worthless gamerchair degenerates who are too busy fingering dusty old tomes to ever feed or clothe anyone!
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2022&q=sustainable&btnG=
<searching Google Scholar, the homepage of actual materialists, for research involving the word "sustainable" published since 2022
<I click a random article
>Toward sustainable future: Strategies, indicators, and challenges for implementing sustainable production systems
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214993723000520
<I click the name of a a random scientist who worked on this
<this guy Dr. Muhammad Jamil is at Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics
<"World's Top 2% Scientist" wow!
You Trots/anarcho-liberals will never be aligned with the proletariat, you don't have the guts to study physics or chemistry or even biology. Your "Marxist criticism" is nothing but comfort for your narcissistic bourgeois mindset

>>2817297
>magick is real
that's like saying "marijuana cares cancer", it really doesn't! You are irresponsible for spreading psyops to weak willed foolish people. Maybe you are one of those weak JD Vancelings who was groomed by the satanic dark magic using Peter Thiel class! Sad…
>the definition of magick is to change reality in accordance with will
Proletarian power is to create value through their social consciousness and social relations that let them build a fire or a machine

>>2816192
Like every single place on this world, congratulations, you just discovered the spook of racial divisions, what will you discover next with that big boy brain of yours?

>>2816218
this but in real life haha

>>2817354
It boggles my mind that you call the DSA a zionist organization while glazing China despite the fact that they've done even less than the DSA in terms of the Gaza disaster

>>2816206
>commodity production
isn't that the thing we are supposed to be abolishing?

>>2817438
China used to directly supply the PLO with guns and ammo shut up zionist

>>2817452
Used to. Now in the most charitable interpretation of their actions they're powerless to do anything or more likely don't give enough of a shit to do anything about it. At least the DSA isn't a major Israeli trading partner

>>2817455
how would the DSA even begin to become a trading partner lmao

China has always disputed the Golan heights and maintains diplomatic support for Palestine, asking them to be world police is just american retardium

>>2817457
My point is that if you're realistic when it comes to all aspects of China's foreign and domestic policy, you shouldn't expect a socialist organization undergoing party formation to be able to affect American foreign policy at this stage. They follow Thawabit since 2025, yet amerifats here act like they're literally Hitler and everyone in the DSA wants to vote for Dems forever to excuse themselves from joining the biggest socialist organization in their country and making their arguments inside of it rather than continuing to post and do nothing.

>>2817463
Im fine with both the DSA's actions and agree people pearl clutch to much over it.

I also think whats happening with China is they learned the lessons from invading Vietnam and from the USSR invading Afghanistan in that the US literally wants them to do his because it bleeds them dry and acts as agitprop which allows the US to portray them as the aggressors.

Do nothing win means there is no question, the US is the aggressor.

>>2817354
>You Trots/anarcho-liberals will never be aligned with the proletariat, you don't have the guts to study physics or chemistry or even biology. Your "Marxist criticism" is nothing but comfort for your narcissistic bourgeois mindset
I've done nothing but manual labor within my life. I'm aligned with the proletariat because I am a member of the proletariat, you dribbling retard. And I spend most of my workday currently with headphones on listening to audiobooks. An ad-hom is always stupid, but it's especially stupid on an anonymous imageboard where every accusation is based in nothing but speculation.

For the record, I don't care what resources you point me to, because I already know how to do my own research. I'm here specifically because I want to have a dialog. If this is not something that interests you, fine, but then it becomes questionable as to why you're here to begin with.

>>2816189

The best PSA in all of history, this should be shown to every teenager on the planet

If China is to be supported because they simply do capitalism why shouldnt every other capitalist third-world nation also be supported? Like Indonesia, India, Thailand, Brazil, Mexico. All of these are growing, some fast, some slow, but they are all improving in all aspects - life expectancy, incomes, electricity production, working conditions.

We must critically support all countries on Earth except those that are not growing economically. So fuck Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba for mismanaging the productive forces

>>2827858
Who exactly are you saying is supporting China here?

>>2827858
Critical support to BJP for crushing reactionary Islamists and Maoist ultras who are proven to mismanage the productive forces. India's GDP growth over the last 30 years proves we must support India. All criticism of India is foreign glowie propaganda whose goal is to hurt India's industrialization.

>>2817297
so magic is just marketing/charisma?

>>2817048
Come on, I don't even consider myself that much of a full-on communist, but even I see that China is the most powerful, or second most powerful nation on Earth (depending on the metric).