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Ask not what communism can do for you, but what you can do for communism.

Communism is NOT a religion, but it is an embodied social practice, "the real movement to abolish the present state of things," and one important thing that can be borrowed from religious studies which applies to embodied social practices in general is this: Credibility Enhancing Dispolays. i.e. "Actions speak louder than words." According to sociological and anthropological research, there are more effective ways to convince someone to believe in god than making arguments. Religious apologetics are demonstrably less effective than other forms of social influence like Credibility Enhancing Displays or trauma. It is practice, not doctrine, which produces converts. I suspect the same is true of secular movements like communism.

>the proletariat will naturally support communism because it is in their class interests.


To an extent, but only a small percentage of the proletariat becomes party members, and at the same time there are remarkable class traitors like Engels. We have to look at what motivates someone to actually join the movement, and not simply "support" it in words. And the answer is risking your life to bring it about. The best way to convince people that communism is important and valuable is not memorizing Marx quotes or slandering other communists as revisionist and opportunist, but sacrificing yourself to bring it about.

https://pureadmin.qub.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/17250565/LanmanBuhrmesterCREDsFinal.pdf

If credibility enhancing displays like martyrdom on behalf of faith, enduring torture by the regime on behalf of faith, going to war on behalf of faith, and sacrificing personal belongs on behalf of faith can increase the faith of those around you, then it can also increase the communism of the proletariat around you. They will see communism is the real deal if they see people fighting and dying to bring it about. This is what the academic marxists fail to understand even if they can perfectly recall the letter of marxism.

In the New Testament, Pharisees are seen as people who place the letter of the law above the spirit (Mark 2:3–28, 3:1–6). Thus, "Pharisee" has entered the language as a pejorative for one who does so. In Communism, who is the pharisee who embodies the letter? Amadeo Bordiga. Who is the spirit? Che Guevara.

"It is entirely seemly for a young man killed in battle to lie mangled by the bronze spear. In his death all things appear fair." - Homer

That is a credibility enhancing display.

I can provide many a suicide bombing for communism

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>>2816986
>Communism is NOT a religion
this jewish nigger did not read haz al din (PBUH)

>>2816986
>"It is entirely seemly for a young man killed in battle to lie mangled by the bronze spear. In his death all things appear fair." - Homer
nah dats from civ 4 not homer simpson bro, r u fuckin stupid

>you have to actually practice what you preach to convince people
it took a whole research paper for this?

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On a serious note, I agree for anything to be successful people have to fight and die for it. But I know I'm weird because I've never been compelled viscerally by credibility enhancing displays. Like when I see people hurting themselves on behalf of religion or whatever I just think they've been tricked into doing that. I'm not convinced. So maybe I'm not neurotypical for that. But at the same time I don't like the podium humpers either. The people who mobilize others to go die but won't die themselves. The problem with this website and the movement more broadly is everyone wants to be the next Lenin at the podium, or, ugh, the next big politics streamer, but nobody wants to die in a trench to bring about a world they'll never get to live in. You wanna talk about the bible? the bible talks about that in exodus. they all wander in the desert after escaping egypt. A lot of the die of hunger and thirst, or die in the religious purges and infighting, most of them followed moses out to reach the "promised land" but never get to see it. moses himself dies before reaching it. so abstract away all the genocidal abrahamic war deity baggage from that story and you're left with a bunch of people who died before they could even see what they died for. boo. nobody wants that. the reason it works so well for religion is because religoids all believe they get to look down from heaven on the world they died for, and see the results of what they died for. there is no such consolation prize with bolshevik atheism. when the brain is gone, the person is gone.

>>2817007
>why would i sacrifice
you wouldn't, and that's ok, because others will. just sit back and hold tight. chaos is a ladda

I do think leftcoms are the most pathetic "Communists" out there because they are just excusing the difficult struggle of revolution to later generations or later times, they are vulgar materialists who will interpret the world well enough but will never ever do anything to change it. Basically pathetic mice who aren't even a real tendency. History is not an abstract thing, it is the actions of real people, and the proletarian revolution is not going to happen without you (or in the case of leftcoms someone else) organising it.

>>2817042
So you’re gonna throw yourself into a pile of bombs so that we still have money and jobs we hate for another 100 years at least, that’s deranged

>>2817014
Why would anyone? That’s just suicide pretending to be anything but narcissistic

Can we stop with this religious spin on communism? It is infantile and particularly dangerous for the movement in its current embryonic phase.

You need a massive, political movement spearheaded by class conscious workers. Only this can actually change the mode of production. A massive political class movement does not come about because class conscious members of an embryonic movement sacrifice their lives for communism. This is childish. This lands you in prison, behind bars, at a time when "political prisoner" still isn't vogue. And otherwise it kills you, it kills a class "conscious" member of the movement (notice the quotes). This is childish, stupid and unproductive.

Why o why do Western communists want to reproduce Christianity so badly? The mass movement comes about when the class conscious members don't sacrifice their lives for useless renome, but through decade long work of building a network of communists and class conscious workers (like Marx and Engels, and Lenin did when their movements were in an embryonic state) - a dual structure to the bourgeois parasite state.

Why do you want to reproduce Christianity? Because it's easier and more fun to die for something you will no longer have to struggle for, and letting your comrades take the burden of petty work of actually building the party.

I'm on the edge of accusing of reproducing a patriarchal ideal of vain self-sacrifice.

>>2816986
>Ask not what communism can do for you, but what you can do for communism.
I can do UNIT 731

>>2817069
>religious spin on communism?
second sentence of the OP:
<Communism is NOT a religion […]

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>>2817083
you can't you're just an edgy boy

>>2817069
>Why o why do Western communists want to reproduce Christianity so badly?
i don't think acknowledging the historical necessity of death and sacrifice to bring about communism is reproducing a dogma about using the blood of a jewish zombie to circumcise your heart

>>2816988
lol they'll do anything to justify their backwardness, even adopting the immortal science. Ok "Leninist" tell us more about how your false belief is totally legitimate.

>>2817007
the lower stages are supposed to give you a job, a society you are welcome in and materially supported by, and (this is where the demsucks failed) military training, a gun, and a command structure to follow in defense of the collective. It is supposed to be a better life, and for the booj social clubs this is a reality! Just look at how people who become cops get their lives turned around; 100k salary (the white minimum wage lol), support from the state to the point of rape & murder, fat pensions, discounts from businesses, so on.

>>2817121
>100k salary (the white minimum wage lol)
maybe i'm an exceptionally low quality cracker (really just white passing, but most can't tell) but it took me 16 years of adulthood and a lot of bootlicking to get a 50k full time job.

>>2817121
when communism makes your life better it's called treatlerism, social imperialism, red social democracy, red liberalism, opportunism, revisionism, tailism, and other slanders, because it did not instantly spread itself over the entire capitalist planet with zero opposition lol

>>2817069
Credibility enhancing displays is an idea from religious studies, which is a secular field that studies religion, not a religious idea in and of itself, but an abstraction of what behavior inspires loyalty to religion, which can be applied outside of religion.

Define communism first. If you say some retarded shit like "government controlls industry" then no wonder no worker i super enthusiastic about that

>>2817658
>Define communism first.
"the real movement to abolish the present state of things"

>>2817852
That's a slogan, not a definition.

If we actually intend to inform, rather than confound, communism is "the real movement to abolish the state and private property". The end is virtually identical to anarchism, but the means are much more pragmatic.

>>2817069
There are proven social technologies to get other people to fight and sacrifice for you, like religion and nationalism, but socialists reject those, so they have to invent something new.

>>2818051
You can use a wrench to pound a nail into wood but a hammer would be better

>>2818051
>fight and sacrifice for you
No one is sacrificing anything least for me. You know what you get going into the movement - the real movement, like Houdini and Juche.

>>2817971
>That's a slogan, not a definition.
it's from the german ideology.
<“Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality will have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things”

Why did he not clarify anywhere in the surrounding text that this was merely a slogan?

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>>2817069
>why do Western communists want to reproduce Christianity so badly?
because both (and Western culture itself) are expressions of a slave morality.

Martydom cults get the wall

>>2819169
But you’re giving them what they want

>>2819174
christians just pretend that they want to be martyrs

Read History as Mystery by Parenti

>>2819196
You’d be amazed at how many people are just quietly and passively suicidal, Christianity and to a lesser extent Islam are valves for that impulse



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