Spending all these resources training and transporting doctors around the world was a mistake.
Absolutely no country respects Cuba. China and Russia don't respect it enough to supply them with weapons to deter the US threat. Venezuela broke up with and ghosted Cuba recently. All those African countries that Cuba aided over the decades are NATO-aligned and worship American culture.
Iran and North Korea have proven that only might makes right with militarized self-reliance. Let that be a lesson to any future socialist movement. What Cuba should have done instead of sending all these stupid doctors these past few decades was invested heavily in missile technology to bomb Miami, Palm Beach (Mar-a-Lago), Orlando and Tampa, and destroy all ships passing the Strait of Florida. The reason North Korea was never invaded was because Seoul would be a charred parking lot. The reason Iran still stands is due to their military control over their strategic strait.
>>2817997I wonder if this is why Cuba is seen as the good state socialism in the discourse here among western leftists.
I reject the premise of this thread. seems like a weak attempt to create a dialectic with cuba on one side and china on the other.
china helped cuba build their renewable energy power plant to ease the effects of the blockade.
>>2817997cuba's policy is a product of its political reality. it's a few hundred miles off the florida coast. their diplomatic and material reality is dictated by the pedophile republic next door.
hosting soviet nukes was an unacceptable existential risk to the entire world, and the country is too small to independently maintain a nuclear arsenal.
finally iran is not a socialist country.
>>2818008cuba's fucking awesome. all state socialism is awesome. the only distinction people draw is cuba's pink revolution, which formally codified sexual equality in addition to class and economic equality.
>>2818410>china helped cuba build their renewable energy power plant to ease the effects of the blockade.How useful will that power plant be after US missile strikes?
>>2818008Cuba is seen positively by even the most libbed up social democrat because they've never been on the wrong side of any issue, and have done so much good in the world you have to be a genuine psychopath to hate them.
Remove the Juche logo you fucking idiot. Your interfering with our data collection on high threat individuals. Keep it up and you'll be added to the list. Now scrub it you fucking moronic cultist.
>>2817997You are victim blaming.
Focusing on doctors worked when the US was actually opening up to them and not planning to invade them.
The US is at fault. There's nothing Cuba could have done.
North Korea and Iran are very different situations, geographically they have a much stronger advantage, Cuba is right in the US's backyard.
>What Cuba should have done instead of sending all these stupid doctors these past few decades was invested heavily in missile technology to bomb Miami, Palm Beach (Mar-a-Lago), Orlando and Tampa, and destroy all ships passing the Strait of Florida.You are a complete fucking moron. That would have guaranteed Cuba would be wiped off the planet.
>>2818482>North Korea and Iran are very different situations, geographically they have a much stronger advantage, Cuba is right in the US's backyardThis. Iran is impossible to invade due to its size and terrain, controls a strategically vital chokepoint, and is within striking distance of a substantial portion of the world's oil infrastructure. The DPRK is a critical buffer state for China that Beijing would never allow the US to destroy. Cuba was also able to get by without the USSR for over 30 years, and successive American governments were content to ignore them since they weren't a threat. Trump has simply sunk to new lows of psychopathy. Their geographical proximity to the US would've made serious militarization impossible without the staunch military backing of a major foreign power, which they had during the Cold War but lack today.
I agree but also disagree, it’s true that you should focus on making missiles and WMDs if your gonna oppose the United States, but on the other hand Iran and DPRK are on the other side of the planet and Cuba is 90 miles away from Florida, so if Cuba ever tried to get an ICBM America would fucking kill every Cuban person
>>2818490>if Cuba ever tried to get an ICBM America would fucking kill every Cuban personThe will do the same thing for them not getting missiles
This is purely to blame on Cuba's lack of foresight, did they think capitalism wouldnt decay into fascism this time around?
>>2818502>The will do the same thing for them not getting missilesYeah so now they can buy themselves some time and also give socialism a good name among the people by having them experience some of the development instead of just sitting by as the government makes missiles.
>>2818502>cuba's lack of foresightbullshit. cuban missile bases are logistically impossible and building missiles would both create consent for invasion amonst the americunt population, and bankrupt their tiny island nation. they didn't need missiles to make the first cuba libre, didn't need them to kill the boer in angola, and didn't need them to be a beacon of hope and liberation around the entire world.
It's actually impressive how much power they managed to project power despite being a minuscule island with their mortal ennemy next door and their hostile diaspora abroad.
Dudes managed to send one gorillon troups to Angola and WON.
>>2818653Cold War Cuba was relatively well off for Latin America due to basically being the USSR's sole sugar supplier so it was able to punch well above its weight. Since the "Special Period" those capabilities are gone.
>>2817997Appearing like a threat would have just got them invaded sooner, and neither China nor Russia would come to save them.
tankoid thread. cuba acquired many friendships through their diplomacy, most countries around the world are agaisnt the embargo
>>2817997I mean, they could have just taken both bombs and doctors
>>2818653They had a lot of support from the USSR. Iirc even in Angola the USSR footed the bill for all the equipment both the MPLA and Cubans were using.
>>2817997Maybe if the Cuban state followed China's advice, opened up to multilateral investment and developed a socialist market economy they could have BOTH political sovereignty and economic prosperity.
>>2818829True as far as Cuban wealth goes but it still wouldnt solve the problem of being in the USA's garden
>>2818829They would have done that if not for the blockade
Yes Cuba should have invested in their military instead of funding doctors to help everyone across the world. But because of their government all Cubans will go to heaven automatically while all Amerikkkans go to hell automatically so it all works out in the end. Trvst the plvn.
OP is completely correct. They send doctors up and down the planet from Brazil, Africa to Mexico and even fucking France. And who is helping them? Who is actually trying to circumvent the embargo?
>>2818410>muh existential threat to the entire world>le MAD is le BADThe Posadists were justified in attempting to storm Gitmo. Even if the US responded by a nuclear strike, it would have irradiated zionist florida.
>>2818829They literally tried for decades now retard. How can you rely on trade when nobody is trading with you smartass.
>>2818410>cuba's fucking awesome. all state socialism is awesome. the only distinction people draw is cuba's pink revolution, which formally codified sexual equality in addition to class and economic equality.while cubas poverty can largerly be explained by the unjust US sanctions it's government is still very corrupt and incompetent.
a friend visited it recently, large part of the population supports Trump because they think something has to happen to get rid of their government or get major reforms, and among people who dislike Trump/USA many still hate the cuban government too.
The sad reality is that Cuba would still be a shithole (thought fr les of a shithole) even if the US government got rid of it's sanctions.
It might not have gone this way if there were no sanctions to begin with but that doesn't change that cuba is a failed experiment
>>2819670Compared to what? The Batista government?
>>2819670Look at Haiti and Jamaica and tell me Cuba is worse
>>2818829China's success has a lot more to do with being a sink for Western investment all through the 80s-2000s due to cheap labour than with the market reforms as such. China (among other countries) was the solution for porky to the problem of organized labour in America. Cuba could liberalize all it wanted, but it still won't attract Western investment because it can't serve the same function.
>>2819700Now China has an organized middle class like 60s America so they’re moving to Indonesia and India, after that it’s Africa. Once Africa has a organized middle class of industrial workers, the US and Europe will be dirt poor and dedeveloped. You can keep this loop going until the sun swallows the earth.
>>2819708I don't think China would allow itself to deindustrialize the way the US did. They're currently watching those shortsighted decisions bear some pretty bitter fruit.
>>2819734You think that’s a policy decision, I think it’s a matter of physics, iron laws of capital that capital will act on regardless of anyone’s consent
>>2819736Good thing China is governed by a Communist Party that gives no shits about iron laws of capital, then.
>>2819738Capital doesn’t care about the consent of communists of any nationality
>>2819736If China has to choose between appeasing porky and maintaining its long term viability as a state they'll choose the latter. Chinese capitalists have no independent power base and won't be able to do much if the government decides to return to a planned economy.
>>2819743Capitalists do have a base of power in China and that’s the Communist party itself
>>2819783mindbroken libtard
>>2819790I follow the analysis of the Communist Party of the Philippines, fuck off
>>2819670>government is still very corrupt and incompetentpure glowie propaganda, they say this of literally every state the US sanction into oblivion
>large part of the population supports Trump lol, do glowies really spout such shit and think anyone gonna believe them?
>would still be a shithole cuba is not a shithole, and it would be even better without the sanctions
now fucking kys you glowie fuck
Cuckin should put some nukes on the island again, but he won't.
The left wasn't involved in this crisis of US hegemony at all. The cold war happens entirely without input from anticapitalists. Who at best can be PR resources to lend legitimacy or vilify for the real players.
Nobody is vested in preserving the Cuban or Venezuelan revolutions because the entire crop of opponents of the status quo… just want more capitalism and a bigger share of it for their regional bourgeoisie. And they will ruthlessly collaborate to suppress socialists, actual socialists who diverge from that script.
But don't you think that all is lost. Plenty of first worlders will taste shock therapy as the profit incentives tilt from imperialism and war abroad, to looting at home. Today, your TV blasts you with decontextualized USAno court drama and culture war, and their wagies flood the social media with their worthless opinions.
Tomorrow they will be the subject of both tearjerking poverty docus and inspiring propaganda of being uplifted by the newly minted fascist in charge of their newly minted ancapistani breakaway republic. Look forward to retiring there and blessing the locals with your patronage.
I’d say the American left made a mistake in not pulling their fucking finger out and failing to normalise relations with Cuba based on doctors being its primary export, despite having 60 years to do so.
>>2817997>The reason North Korea was never invaded was because Seoul would be a charred parking lot.it is also dirt poor. what is there even anymore in north korea other than a couple methlabs?
>>2819783I'm not convinced of this. I think that SWCC will prove to be to Chinese socialism what social democracy was to Western capitalism. A temporary concession to an antagonistic class which still remains subordinate. At any rate this is speculation and its impossible to really tell at this point.
>>2819927The DPRK has trillions in minerals.
>>2818410>finally iran is not a socialist country.neither is cuba, the country's run by a corporate conglomerate
i get anti-american resentment in caribbean and southern america but socialist larp is pure cringe
>>2819929supposedly. all that we know for sure is they've got iron and coal deposits which they leased to chinese decades ago
This is why the DPRK keeps winning.
>>2819934learn to eat ass.
>>2817997Cuba is a tiny island. They pursued that strategy because they could not build and maintain a military to deter the USA.
>>2819934>neither is cuba, the country's run by a corporate conglomeratethere are people seriously posting this shit, and believing it. Glowies you will say. And indeed, even unwittingly sometimes, they are.
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